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[Pyromatic Tabby]

Congrats to Bioware on that sale number.

... I still hate the endings however.

[SiriusXI]

Dendio1 wrote...

Does mandatory origin limit those who would have pirated? Maybe that's a contributing factor

Trust me, it doesn't. If you don't care for multiplayer you can just pirate it like any other game. The fact that without MP you cannot get the best ending might limit the SP experience of pirated ME3 copies. But you can just edit a file so the war assets contribute MORE to your EMS status. End there you go! But honestly, who cares about getting the "best ending". They all suck.

Honestly, I bought the CE edition out of sheer love for this series! This will not be the case for any other Bioware game in the future.

[Torrible]

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

[deimosmasque]

Torrible wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

That's your right to do, certainly.  But there is no empircal evidience to support it in either capcity.

[KingKhan03]

deimosmasque wrote...

Torrible wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

That's your right to do, certainly.  But there is no empircal evidience to support it in either capcity.

This. You can only go on personal experience pretty much and mine has a majority of people disliking the ending.

[SiriusXI]

Torrible wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

Have you never leaned to read a text carefully before you attempt an "educated" guess?

[FlamingBoy]

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

[Pyromatic Tabby]

Torrible wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

And until the silent majority decides to speak up either way, we have the wonders of statistical extrapolation.

[Torrible]

SiriusXI wrote...

Torrible wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...
Why do people think that if they don't complain about the ending of the game they didn't like it?  It cuts both ways.  There are people who are sitting in silent despair about the endings and those sitting in silent delight about the endings.

I'll take existing data over non-existing data any day. Even if it's not entirely accurate, it still says a lot. 

It says that the majority of a minority hates the ending.

Have you never leaned to read a text carefully before you attempt an "educated" guess?

It's a fact, not a guess. The people partaking in the polls are a minority. Some people would extrapolate the data to the entire consumer base but it's hard to see how due to self-selection bias.

[SeanThen1]

The people I've talked to liked the game but typically were disappointed by the ending. I've met exactly one person who liked the endings. He didn't bother to defend the plot holes when I brought them up. He simply shrugged and said he liked it.

More power to him, I guess. Anecdotally, I don't think anyone here can state they met/observed more people who liked the ending than disliked it.

[JPR1964]

Mixorz wrote...

A lot of people love the game. Including the end. Great to hear a great company is getting the support it deserves.

A lot of people play the game and don't touch it anymore...

With this kind of remarks we can go anywhere...

:innocent:

JPR out!

[Mister Mida]

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

[deimosmasque]

SeanThen1 wrote...

The people I've talked to liked the game but typically were disappointed by the ending. I've met exactly one person who liked the endings. He didn't bother to defend the plot holes when I brought them up. He simply shrugged and said he liked it.

More power to him, I guess. Anecdotally, I don't think anyone here can state they met/observed more people who liked the ending than disliked it.

Don't be so sure of that, ignoring the internet:  Only 2 out of 10 people I know who played ME3 absolutely hated the endings.

[deimosmasque]

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

Why not?  Sold to retailers is still money for Bioware and EA.  The price you pay at the retailer is to make up their cost and allow them to make profit.  If EA has shipped 4 million copies, they've made profit on 4 million copies.

[cutegigi]

deimosmasque wrote...

SeanThen1 wrote...

The people I've talked to liked the game but typically were disappointed by the ending. I've met exactly one person who liked the endings. He didn't bother to defend the plot holes when I brought them up. He simply shrugged and said he liked it.

More power to him, I guess. Anecdotally, I don't think anyone here can state they met/observed more people who liked the ending than disliked it.

Don't be so sure of that, ignoring the internet:  Only 2 out of 10 people I know who played ME3 absolutely hated the endings.

so how many hate but not absolute ?

[ahandsomeshark]

nikola8 wrote...

So, Bioware should be commended, given these numbers: they are really doing the 'Extended Cut' as a favor to the fans. They aren't sweating their sales numbers and the game has 75+ perfect scores. On paper that is the recipe for tons of GOTY awards come the end of the year. They, therefore, aren't releasing the 'Extended Cut' as a way to increase sales or bolster support for the game. The game is set to do well- and if the adage "any publicity is good publicity" is true, then the ending controversy might actually be helping to sell games. So, Bioware could just sit on their hands, but instead they are releasing the 'Extended Cut'. A very classy move, I'd say.

No the numbers are for shipped not sold. The sold numbers actually seem like sales have been below their expectations.

[Mixorz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

[Mister Mida]

deimosmasque wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

Why not?  Sold to retailers is still money for Bioware and EA.  The price you pay at the retailer is to make up their cost and allow them to make profit.  If EA has shipped 4 million copies, they've made profit on 4 million copies.

If the retailers don't sell their copies to consumers then it really doesn't matter they've sold 4 million to retailers. The retailers aren't making a profit, so next time they'll think a lot harder before they actually gonna put an order as big as they did with ME3.

One of my local retailers is already selling the game below standard price, while Skyrim's still being sold on its release price. That's also saying something.

[deimosmasque]

cutegigi wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...

SeanThen1 wrote...

The people I've talked to liked the game but typically were disappointed by the ending. I've met exactly one person who liked the endings. He didn't bother to defend the plot holes when I brought them up. He simply shrugged and said he liked it.

More power to him, I guess. Anecdotally, I don't think anyone here can state they met/observed more people who liked the ending than disliked it.

Don't be so sure of that, ignoring the internet:  Only 2 out of 10 people I know who played ME3 absolutely hated the endings.

so how many hate but not absolute ?

As in the worst I got (the two I mentioned) were similiar reactions to many retakers.  "All three games ruined" type hatred.  3 others were disappointed but only because of the Normany crash (myself and my wife included) the other 5 just sort of shrugged their shoulders and weren't concerned by the ending in any way.

[deimosmasque]

Mister Mida wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

Why not?  Sold to retailers is still money for Bioware and EA.  The price you pay at the retailer is to make up their cost and allow them to make profit.  If EA has shipped 4 million copies, they've made profit on 4 million copies.

If the retailers don't sell their copies to consumers then it really doesn't matter they've sold 4 million to retailers. The retailers aren't making a profit, so next time they'll think a lot harder before they actually gonna put an order as big as they did with ME3.

One of my local retailers is already selling the game below standard price, while Skyrim's still being sold on its release price. That's also saying something.

For small retailers that is true, but places like Wal-Mart, Game Stop, Target, Etc.  They'll order the same ammount for the next over-hyped game no matter who makes it or how it does after the fact.

[Swisspease]

Mixorz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

You could also say that most people disliked the ending or didn't feel strongly either way. There is no proof that one group is a majority over another.

[KingKhan03]

Mixorz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

they sold 4 million to stores
only 1.5 million to actual people

Well nub, if even 100k hate the ending, it's still a minority.

When will people accept the fact that most people enjoy the ending or don't feel very strongly either way (I.e. are satisfied).

But by all means continue the waaaaaaaah...it's quite hilarious.

I find it astonishing how you continue to make yourself look like an absolute caveman please think before you call someone else a "nub".

[Gaskets]

This is a mixed-bag, hopefully it will ensure the survival of the series but at the same time EA now realises it can make alot more money for a lower quality game.

[ahandsomeshark]

deimosmasque wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

Why not?  Sold to retailers is still money for Bioware and EA.  The price you pay at the retailer is to make up their cost and allow them to make profit.  If EA has shipped 4 million copies, they've made profit on 4 million copies.

because it means retailers aren't moving them, so they wont be buying more from EA. Shipping 4 million means they were expecting to sell around 3 million and have retailers ordering more. Now they're stagnating.

Which also means there's a high number of them sitting on shelves so EA first party distributors will be cutting prices along with every else.

And more importantly it looks bad for quarterly reports cause shareholders understand it's not a good sign when the product is sitting on the shelf. ESPECIALLY with games where there's virtually no long term profit because of the used market and they rely heavily on recouping cost through early post release sales. If the new ones aren't moving AND people are trading them in the price is gonna drop like a rock soon and EA's stock price will continue it's tumble.

[ahandsomeshark]

deimosmasque wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not seeing where it says that 4 millions copies is sold to retailers or customers, but I'm inclined to believe that it's the number sold to retailers, which is really not that important.

Why not?  Sold to retailers is still money for Bioware and EA.  The price you pay at the retailer is to make up their cost and allow them to make profit.  If EA has shipped 4 million copies, they've made profit on 4 million copies.

If the retailers don't sell their copies to consumers then it really doesn't matter they've sold 4 million to retailers. The retailers aren't making a profit, so next time they'll think a lot harder before they actually gonna put an order as big as they did with ME3.

One of my local retailers is already selling the game below standard price, while Skyrim's still being sold on its release price. That's also saying something.

For small retailers that is true, but places like Wal-Mart, Game Stop, Target, Etc.  They'll order the same ammount for the next over-hyped game no matter who makes it or how it does after the fact.

you're assuming the next game will carry the same hype. That's the problem if ME3 isn't flying off shelves it means customers aren't showing as much interest, so why would they show as much interest in the next bioware EA game? 

Edit: especially when you consider how FEW games ever have the hype of a game like ME3. 

Modifié par ahandsomeshark, 13 avril 2012 - 07:59 .