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[EVani]

N7 below ~80 means something. It means you haven't played enough to earn enough packs by experience to possibly unlock good equipments. Meaning you have neither the experience nor good enough equipments to help compensate as a capable teammate. ~100 is still a risk area since you could just be trying out each class. Above that("high N7") means nothing. It comes down to mostly equipment levels/luck.

That said it is not impossible for a kid to play on his veteran bro's comp/ a good player playing on other people's account.

[Trakarg]

N7 rating is meaningless once you get to 120. Some people don't like to promote. There's very little reason to, after all.

[tristan223]

My N7 rating is only 120 and I never get kicked in gold. I usually top the score boards on gold anyway. Maybe because I have all characters and weapons except for the Wraith. With all my gold rare weapons at VIII - X.

[Teilean]

humes spork wrote...

Teilean wrote...

N7 Means you have played the game you invested your time in...playing the game, normally the more you do something the better off you should be at it now this isn't always the case but its either.....

...and that also means that depending on how you play, the more you've played means more time to have developed bad habits that harm you and your team in the long run. You just admitted N7 rank is an unreliable method of judging player skill, so all you're really doing is beholding yourself to a method that's just as hit-or-miss than any other and you don't care to admit it.

And for what purpose, exactly? You've also admitted your time playing this game is limited. So why waste it rendering it nothing but a cost-benefit analysis rather than playing the game for the sake of having fun? Seems to me you're making it inordinately more stressful in a misguided attempt to get the most out of your limited leisure time than it really ought to be. I mean, if that's how you really want to do things it's your however-much-money-you spent, it's your prerogative.

You really are trying hard at this, the n7 ranking is unreliable yes I said it eariler but its our only way to gauge a person that join in a random pug...instead of wasting 10 mins finding out if the rank 80 person is actually good.

There are TONS and TONS of different examples and snowflakes that "I played with this rank 50 guy who was number 1" and "I played with this rank 3000 guy who was a complete noob"  but when all the **** is clear.......

HOW DO YOU GAUGE A PERSON WHEN YOU ARE IN A RANDOM PUG? 

Loadouts are a good one but I'm sure I can snipe just as good and probably better with a Mantis X then that guy with a Widow X. GPS X? Easy Mode Gun doesn't=skill or knowhow. 

Higher N7 Rating>Time Played>A Greater Understanding of the Game

Dont overthink this, when it comes to a random group of people, strangers you know nothing about N7 Rating has an impact.


I'm coming to belive that the only people who think the "n7 rating means nothing" are people who have a low N7 rating and have had there epeen's hurt because people think they are "newbies" because of the low rating so they have to defend this point as if it proves something.....

Modifié par Teilean, 13 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[ismadiis]

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Teilean wrote...

I hear it all the time that N7 Rating Means nothing....I'm sorry but it means alot when I'm gaming with complete strangers.


A Higher N7 rating means that you have played more, I'm sorry if you are n7 120 and dont promote but compared to a person who is 400n7 I see the 400 as more experience seeing as I DONT KNOW YOU.

Tonight for example was me and 2 friends, we would host and grab a 4th for some Gold matches.  A 80 N7 joins....I take a look at his weapon he is a lvl 18 HI with a Mantis X I'm like ok lets do this......sry to say he should of still been in silver.  I dont mind letting in that lower experienced guy for that phat credit when its me and some friends........but if I'm alone and all I got to go off of is your N7 Rating vs me wasting my time getting wiped on round 6 b/c you dont understand we need to get the devices and move as a team.....


---Now I understand some ppl are 120 or near so and dont promote which is why I check weapons if I see that BW4 or GPS X I give it a go.  Then again how do I even know if you bought it with credits or cash.

So a n7600 person who keeps on playing on Bronze and promoting his characters is better at performing in a gold match than a person with a n7ranking 200 who keeps on practicing with his set-up on Silver/Gold rather than constantly promoting his characters on Bronze.

You see, it is very random. You can never exactly know who's a better player unless you play with them first, which is why i have a habit of sticking with known people on Gold matches.

Your missing the point. N7 rating is not some kind of definite measure of skill. It is not even a direct measure of skill.

A high N7 rating means that I know for sure that you have played a lot. If you have a 120 N7 rating, you could have only just finished leveling up the 6 classes, or you could have been playing for weeks. The key difference is that I don't know how much experience a 120 N7 player has. But I know that a high N7 rating (500+) definitely has reasonable experience and therefore should be a good player.

Also, it would be rather difficult not to mention boring for a person to have a N7 rating of 600 only playing bronze. Seriously, I would get bored and try Silver or Gold instead. And if a person keeps on practicing silver/gold, he should be promoting so that he can learn about different builds and therefore have a high N7 rating making your first paragraphs complete nonsense. That situation is not realistic.

[ismadiis]

Teilean wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Teilean wrote...

N7 Means you have played the game you invested your time in...playing the game, normally the more you do something the better off you should be at it now this isn't always the case but its either.....

...and that also means that depending on how you play, the more you've played means more time to have developed bad habits that harm you and your team in the long run. You just admitted N7 rank is an unreliable method of judging player skill, so all you're really doing is beholding yourself to a method that's just as hit-or-miss than any other and you don't care to admit it.

And for what purpose, exactly? You've also admitted your time playing this game is limited. So why waste it rendering it nothing but a cost-benefit analysis rather than playing the game for the sake of having fun? Seems to me you're making it inordinately more stressful in a misguided attempt to get the most out of your limited leisure time than it really ought to be. I mean, if that's how you really want to do things it's your however-much-money-you spent, it's your prerogative.

You really are trying hard at this, the n7 ranking is unreliable yes I said it eariler but its our only way to gauge a person that join in a random pug...instead of wasting 10 mins finding out if the rank 80 person is actually good.

There are TONS and TONS of different examples and snowflakes that "I played with this rank 50 guy who was number 1" and "I played with this rank 3000 guy who was a complete noob"  but when all the **** is clear.......

HOW DO YOU GAUGE A PERSON WHEN YOU ARE IN A RANDOM PUG? 

Loadouts are a good one but I'm sure I can snipe just as good and probably better with a Mantis X then that guy with a Widow X. GPS X? Easy Mode Gun doesn't=skill or knowhow. 

Higher N7 Rating>Time Played>A Greater Understanding of the Game

Dont overthink this, when it comes to a random group of people, strangers you know nothing about N7 Rating has an impact.


I'm coming to belive that the only people who think the "n7 rating means nothing" are people who have a low N7 rating and have had there epeen's hurt because people think they are "newbies" because of the low rating so they have to defend this point as if it proves something.....

So true. Seriously, this should be like a default response to all the people who complain about N7 rating mean nothing. 

[jinx_60]

eye basher wrote...

N7 means nothing i played with a guy that had 1004 N7 and he was so bad it wasn't even funny he must've died in every single wave at least once and this was just a bronze match.

Ha! Sounds like when my wife wants to play MP and has to use my origin account with 1200 N7 rating. She loves the single player for the story and plays on easy difficulty. When she plays MP on bronze she gets mad you can't pause the action to use powers! I'm always laughing and imagining quite a few raised eyebrows .

[xXdmndmnXx]

ismadiis wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Teilean wrote...

I hear it all the time that N7 Rating Means nothing....I'm sorry but it means alot when I'm gaming with complete strangers.


A Higher N7 rating means that you have played more, I'm sorry if you are n7 120 and dont promote but compared to a person who is 400n7 I see the 400 as more experience seeing as I DONT KNOW YOU.

Tonight for example was me and 2 friends, we would host and grab a 4th for some Gold matches.  A 80 N7 joins....I take a look at his weapon he is a lvl 18 HI with a Mantis X I'm like ok lets do this......sry to say he should of still been in silver.  I dont mind letting in that lower experienced guy for that phat credit when its me and some friends........but if I'm alone and all I got to go off of is your N7 Rating vs me wasting my time getting wiped on round 6 b/c you dont understand we need to get the devices and move as a team.....


---Now I understand some ppl are 120 or near so and dont promote which is why I check weapons if I see that BW4 or GPS X I give it a go.  Then again how do I even know if you bought it with credits or cash.

So a n7600 person who keeps on playing on Bronze and promoting his characters is better at performing in a gold match than a person with a n7ranking 200 who keeps on practicing with his set-up on Silver/Gold rather than constantly promoting his characters on Bronze.

You see, it is very random. You can never exactly know who's a better player unless you play with them first, which is why i have a habit of sticking with known people on Gold matches.

Your missing the point. N7 rating is not some kind of definite measure of skill. It is not even a direct measure of skill.

A high N7 rating means that I know for sure that you have played a lot. If you have a 120 N7 rating, you could have only just finished leveling up the 6 classes, or you could have been playing for weeks. The key difference is that I don't know how much experience a 120 N7 player has. But I know that a high N7 rating (500+) definitely has reasonable experience and therefore should be a good player.

Also, it would be rather difficult not to mention boring for a person to have a N7 rating of 600 only playing bronze. Seriously, I would get bored and try Silver or Gold instead. And if a person keeps on practicing silver/gold, he should be promoting so that he can learn about different builds and therefore have a high N7 rating making your first paragraphs complete nonsense. That situation is not realistic.

I agree with you, higher n7 rating can also mean that the player has enough practice with builds on most classes and strategies but there are instances when you can run into people who have kept playing on Bronze and promoting their characters just for the sake of that number on the leaderboards.

I myself have played with a guy who had a n7 ranking of 551 on Silver, but he didn't know to use cover as much and died like 15 times with his lvl 20 Salarian Engineer and scored the lowest.

So while i'm saying that the n7 ranking is not definitive of how good a player is, i ain't saying that it's complete hogwash either. It's just a gamble really when playing with randoms, however as OP said, when i play with randoms i make sure to check their weapon rarity/levels.

[ismadiis]

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

ismadiis wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Teilean wrote...

I hear it all the time that N7 Rating Means nothing....I'm sorry but it means alot when I'm gaming with complete strangers.


A Higher N7 rating means that you have played more, I'm sorry if you are n7 120 and dont promote but compared to a person who is 400n7 I see the 400 as more experience seeing as I DONT KNOW YOU.

Tonight for example was me and 2 friends, we would host and grab a 4th for some Gold matches.  A 80 N7 joins....I take a look at his weapon he is a lvl 18 HI with a Mantis X I'm like ok lets do this......sry to say he should of still been in silver.  I dont mind letting in that lower experienced guy for that phat credit when its me and some friends........but if I'm alone and all I got to go off of is your N7 Rating vs me wasting my time getting wiped on round 6 b/c you dont understand we need to get the devices and move as a team.....


---Now I understand some ppl are 120 or near so and dont promote which is why I check weapons if I see that BW4 or GPS X I give it a go.  Then again how do I even know if you bought it with credits or cash.

So a n7600 person who keeps on playing on Bronze and promoting his characters is better at performing in a gold match than a person with a n7ranking 200 who keeps on practicing with his set-up on Silver/Gold rather than constantly promoting his characters on Bronze.

You see, it is very random. You can never exactly know who's a better player unless you play with them first, which is why i have a habit of sticking with known people on Gold matches.

Your missing the point. N7 rating is not some kind of definite measure of skill. It is not even a direct measure of skill.

A high N7 rating means that I know for sure that you have played a lot. If you have a 120 N7 rating, you could have only just finished leveling up the 6 classes, or you could have been playing for weeks. The key difference is that I don't know how much experience a 120 N7 player has. But I know that a high N7 rating (500+) definitely has reasonable experience and therefore should be a good player.

Also, it would be rather difficult not to mention boring for a person to have a N7 rating of 600 only playing bronze. Seriously, I would get bored and try Silver or Gold instead. And if a person keeps on practicing silver/gold, he should be promoting so that he can learn about different builds and therefore have a high N7 rating making your first paragraphs complete nonsense. That situation is not realistic.

I agree with you, higher n7 rating can also mean that the player has enough practice with builds on most classes and strategies but there are instances when you can run into people who have kept playing on Bronze and promoting their characters just for the sake of that number on the leaderboards.

I myself have played with a guy who had a n7 ranking of 551 on Silver, but he didn't know to use cover as much and died like 15 times with his lvl 20 Salarian Engineer and scored the lowest.

So while i'm saying that the n7 ranking is not definitive of how good a player is, i ain't saying that it's complete hogwash either. It's just a gamble really when playing with randoms, however as OP said, when i play with randoms i make sure to check their weapon rarity/levels.

Yeah thats it really. N7 is not useless, neither is it the be all and end all. Its somewhere in the middle of the usefulness scale.

[Ellfen30]

Each N7 rating you gain, you gain another "=" to add in to your epeen meter.

[Omega-202]

A smart loadout, appropriate class and a rating above 80 is all I look for.

If you have an N7 of 900 and you're using a Drell Adept with a Widow X and a Wraith X I will not play with you.

If you have an N7 of 100 and you're using a Human Engineer with a Carnifex I, I'll choose you over that other guy any day.

[thefiresidecat]

I think N7 means something under 150 for telling if someone has a grasp on it or not as a indictator how much grasp a person has on the game. I try to look at it in conjunction with weapons, gear class and rank and most importantly Mic. I played a game with a random level 22/20 and he had a mic. We just told him what to do and we beat gold with him. He stuck with us in the room and didn't venture off on his own being a hero like hte other random on our team. 

So.. I agree.. Mic is the trump card. If you have a mic it doesn't matter what your rating is. I am getting fussy. I pretty much only want to play with people with mics these days.  

[DAMPANDAX99]

In the end....what do we really get out of it? I mean you don't know how that person preforms...or how they use their character. Could be the best head-shot member you ever saw.

[D4rk50ul808]

Except for tonight.   We had a 2050ish, 600ish, 350 in the room and a 2k+ guy came in.  Sat in our Reapers gold match doing nothing but a periodic Biotic Bubble and blasting soundboard crap in our ears.  He collected his 70k while we had to 2 1/2 man the game.  This was on Xbox Live and his GT : dL x Game

[vGriMz]

Can't believe I just played with a N7 2000 or so.

He was called PATRIOT ACT 2. He was awful.

There was also this person named D4rk50ul. Had no idea that he was using cloak and firing a charged gun, and kept going out of cloak. Not to mention the fact that he completely dismissed objectives and went down in the process. Never revived him, but I'm sure he sent someone a message regarding that, calling us bad players. I'll revive someone once or twice, but not that many times. Had a high N7 level, too. Can't remember what it was but considering that he was using X guns..I just can't believe it. Surely he modded.

Rarely happens though that huge N7 levels means that they're bad. Most of the time they're good.

Modifié par vGriMz, 13 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Brizcar]

N7 means pretty much nothing , i'm around about N7 560 or so and that was mostly done playing Bronze  ,i'll rarely venture into Silver where i can do pretty good , don't need someone to nurse me through me it .I'll never play Gold because i don't think i'm good enough and i can't be bothered with the abuse the rest of the team would hurl down the headset.

[Heavvy Metall]

I'm only N7 59 and i could easily outscore players that are 500+ if I'm playing as a Salarian Infiltrator. Character, Level and weapons are what you should go by.

[Simocrates]

I have kicked N7 11 people in silver before. Why? Because I don't feel confident enough that they have a grasp of that level and I don't think I'm good enough to carry.

[Aaperture]

I look at what weapons they have on what class they chose at what level their class is.

Then I look at their weapon mods.
Then I look at their equipment, if any.
Then I look at their N7 rank.

If they have a Vindicator IV and a Graal II on a level 13 Drell Adept, their N7 rank is irrelevant, it's going to be a disaster.

Also, sometimes their username can alter judgements towards that player.

xX_Shadow_KiLLer666_Xx   is probably going to be a bad player compared to a nice, simple username, like Nindroid, Whingle or UnderageThinking ect.

Modifié par Aaperture, 13 avril 2012 - 08:28 .

[Excellent_Mong]

I just played a quick round of silver while leveling a build, and an N7 100ish joined on with a Batarian Soldier Level 8. Normally I'd have kicked his ass for the sake of convenience and trying to ensure that I didn't waste the brief amount of time I had, but inspired by these threads I keep seeing, I declined to kick him (he had two other kick votes) and figured that I'd give him a chance. He outscored all of us, and was invaluable as a distraction when someone needed to be revived.

This changed my attitude quite a bit, and subsequently, I'm more willing to give dubious looking characters a go. That said, when I play with my friends, if we're carrying someone and it's only round 3, we're all going to leave. I'd rather waste 5 mins and inconvenience someone who shouldn't be playing gold anyway than struggle unnecessarily.

[Heavvy Metall]

Brizcar wrote...

N7 means pretty much nothing , i'm around about N7 560 or so and that was mostly done playing Bronze  ,i'll rarely venture into Silver where i can do pretty good , don't need someone to nurse me through me it .I'll never play Gold because i don't think i'm good enough and i can't be bothered with the abuse the rest of the team would hurl down the headset.

Try Gold, it isn't that hard to be honest. On my first ever attempt a guy left so we only had 3 guys and we still did it in the end. We didn't even communicate aswell.

[Chromako]

Totally_Mad_Rat wrote...

Objectively any >20 N7 means nothing. Subjectively it means a lot.

Amen. A kick butt Asari Adept who never promotes is still... kick butt. Anything above N7 20 is, indeed, completely irrelavent. 

Now, if you're a N7 500 AA rocking a Revenant and Claymore at level 3 with no consumables on Silver, that doesn't make up for your N7 rating. 

Modifié par Chromako, 13 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[mauri88]

I just wanna ask: What do you mean saying that "player" sucks?
that he still dies or has 4 place in team? or somethin else?

[D4rk50ul808]

vGriMz wrote...

Can't believe I just played with a N7 2000 or so.

He was called PATRIOT ACT 2. He was awful.

There was also this person named D4rk50ul. Had no idea that he was using cloak and firing a charged gun, and kept going out of cloak. Not to mention the fact that he completely dismissed objectives and went down in the process. Never revived him, but I'm sure he sent someone a message regarding that, calling us bad players. I'll revive someone once or twice, but not that many times. Had a high N7 level, too. Can't remember what it was but considering that he was using X guns..I just can't believe it. Surely he modded.

Rarely happens though that huge N7 levels means that they're bad. Most of the time they're good.

Glad to see you rush to the forums dL x Game to defend your boosting by calling out my friend and I with complete lies.  The people I play with earned their ranks and anyone who plays with us can recognize it, sorry the only thing you know how to do is hide behind a wall in firebase white and ruin peoples games.

P.S. Identifying yourself on the forums after modding and ruining a game isn't the best idea.  Good job!

Modifié par D4rk50ul808, 13 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[Aaperture]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

vGriMz wrote...

Can't believe I just played with a N7 2000 or so.

He was called PATRIOT ACT 2. He was awful.

There was also this person named D4rk50ul. Had no idea that he was using cloak and firing a charged gun, and kept going out of cloak. Not to mention the fact that he completely dismissed objectives and went down in the process. Never revived him, but I'm sure he sent someone a message regarding that, calling us bad players. I'll revive someone once or twice, but not that many times. Had a high N7 level, too. Can't remember what it was but considering that he was using X guns..I just can't believe it. Surely he modded.

Rarely happens though that huge N7 levels means that they're bad. Most of the time they're good.

Glad to see you rush to the forums dL x Game to defend your boosting by calling out my friend and I with complete lies.  The people I play with earned their ranks and anyone who plays with us can recognize it, sorry the only thing you know how to do is hide behind a wall in firebase white and ruin peoples games.

Wait a minute.

Are you D4rk50ul?