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[niko20]

thewalrusx wrote...

Fact: you can level up characters solely with bronze runs, possibly ones you sucked at, and then promote them, rinse and repeat. this would take a long time but it would still work. You also could buy a lot of packs with character cards with real money and level up solely on those. So in summary the n7 score does not indicate skill or experience. It is a useless trivial stat.


NOW if we had a stat that said how many successful gold and silver extractions you have complete that might be a different story.

This had to be what happened in a game I played with a guy that was N71040 or so. We were playing Silver and he got his butt kicked! He kept dying. He was host. After the game was done, I readied up again, then noticed he had set the match to Bronze. I was like WTF? I wanted to play silver so I left. But I was surprised someone N7 so high wanted to go back to bronze...

[lumpdizzle666]

My friends and myself never kick based on N7 ratings but on class lvl, loadout and mic usage.

[kww75]

niko20 wrote...

This had to be what happened in a game I played with a guy that was N71040 or so. We were playing Silver and he got his butt kicked! He kept dying. He was host. After the game was done, I readied up again, then noticed he had set the match to Bronze. I was like WTF? I wanted to play silver so I left. But I was surprised someone N7 so high wanted to go back to bronze...

N7 rating as I have said before and time and time again does not give an indication to a persons skill in any random given match. Reflexes is hard to judge if people are lagging badily. If I am hosting or on a very good connection to someone, I can headshot with my eyes closed (exageration, but you get my point), on a very bad connection, I can't shoot the side of the massive planet even if I was stood on it and only needed to aim down. And my N7 rating is fast approaching four digits.

One thing people also tend to overlook, is how "good" a person is will also depend heavily on the group too. A sniper is going to have a horrid time trying to headshot things vanguards biotically charged or Krogans have just meleed into geostationary orbit. Adepts are going to do a lot better when they have people setting off their detonations. Some times its as simple as having someone yell at you to move when a phantom or two is about to pounce on you.

You often will find me leaving silver/gold matches faster than you can blink if no one talks on their mics. I have been in a few random silver pug groups that have done well but I'm only in these if I've been with a core group for a while in a few bronze games, so people know me and I know them thus we know what to expect of each other.

random silver matches with people I don't know or haven't grouped with gets me highly annoyed because I see far too many basic errors that people should know how to avoid by the time they do them.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Hell I always get kicked when I join gold game with level 8 infiltrator (black widow and fully specced cloak lol). My n7 rank is almost 800 and the noobs that kicked me were 110 max. Few moments later I've started my own game and I see 2 of these guys joined my game (coincidence or what lol). They immediately wanted to kick me out of my own lobby screaming in mic: learn to play first then come to gold games u fukin noob. Hahah, how much they were surpsied when I revived them all the time and nobody had to revive me. They were more suprised when I practically had to solo wave 9 and 10 against the Geth. People should really use their brain from time to time otherwise thing that isnt used, simply dissapears.

[Gorilla Snacks]

The only time to me N7 Rating matters is when i go into a Gold Lobby, and i see a lvl 13 soldier with a n7 rating of 13.

[paspinall]

Yes if its a below 20 N7 rating then it could mean they havent played, but anything above N7 of 20 and you have Zero guarantee of course, that N7 20 on the level 20 adept may have played thousands of hours for all you know, but all on the same character whom they never promoted.

[BlackAlpha]

The N7 rank means one thing for certain: You've played the game a lot. The question is how you've played the game that entire time. Did you play normally for weeks or did you sit behind cover on white/geth all day long and have been doing that forever?

It's clear that someone who has been playing normally the entire time will probably be much more skilled at playing the game than somebody who has been farming a lot. The lower N7 level player might not have all the weapons on X but he knows his classes and weapons well. On the other hand, the high N7 level farmer is only just figuring out how to actually play the game. He doesn't know all the little things that can make the difference between victory or defeat, because he doesn't have the knowhow that the more skilled lower leveled N7 player does.

Now I'm brushing all the high N7 level players over the same side. Some high level players have been both playing and farming a lot, so they are skilled at both farming and playing. But from my experience, most high level N7 players are bad players. I've had them perform very badly and rage quit so many times, more then I can count. If I had to choose between a N7 500+ with X weapons and a N7 200 with normal weapons, I'd rather pick the 200 one, because there's a higher chance he has actually played the game and knows what he's doing (But I'll never kick over that, by the way, but that's another story).

But I guess that if you are looking for a farming group, then you want to do the opposite. If you are looking for people to farm with, you want to look for the high N7 level players with X weapons because there's a higher chance those people have been farming a lot and they know how to farm.

Modifié par BlackAlpha, 14 avril 2012 - 10:42 .

[Mandalore313]

N7 ranking is just a system they made so that you can have leaderboards + keep people playing by making a promotion worth something. (that "something" is very subjective).


The weapon loadout will tell you if he knows what he's doing (if he's correct).
The weapon level will only tell you if he has been lucky.


The only way to know, is to play with people.

[BlackAlpha]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

N7 - 750+

I don't farm. In fact I immediately quit Geth/White/Gold groups. Find either unknown/unknown/gold or unknown/Reaper/gold.

I like going against the Reapers on Gold.

Yes, exactly. That's the reason I don't kick over N7 ratings. It tells us so little that you never really know the skill level of someone simply by looking at his N7 rating. If you kick someone over the N7 rating, then you kicked a potentially good player and the potentially bad players could still be sitting in your lobby.

Modifié par BlackAlpha, 14 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[Haargel]

I joined a match yesterday and the host (N7: 35) was voting to kick almost everyone who entered with a higher rating, I'm not sure why.
I used to be a hardcore gamer, since I'm married and with children I don't play as often.
Sometimes I join a Gold match (my rating is 172), I say sometimes because after I read on forums that most high ranked Gold players kick people under 200. Imo I have never been kicked or asked to leave when I join.

I manage to hold on pretty good and I'm not the guy that wants to end at number 1 at all costs, I play in service of the team, I always stay near to teammembers and when a member falls my first priority is always to revive.

I also follow every advise that some players give me (if they do), because the best way to learn is from higher ranked players. Maybe it's because of my age, I'm 33 and not so "I'm an uberleet pwner" anymore. Teamplayer ftw.

A little advertising, if anyone would like to give me a chance to join Gold ops, my gamertag is "Wernies" . If it turns out that I'm not good enough you can always ask me to leave after 1 match, or give me some quick advise for the next. no hard feelings what so ever.

Cheers !

[molecularman]

Pfffffffft.

[Haargel]

typo

Modifié par Haargel, 14 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Giwen85]

N7 ranking doesnt really mean anymore then GearScore did in WoW.. And if you are playing with 2 other friends and cant compansate for 1 baddie on wave 6... /facepalm

[Praest]

I never really promote my favorite classes because I can't stand playing in bronze as much, so the only classes I regularly promote are the Soldier and Sentinel (which have so far almost exclusively leveled through character cards). I did promote for the event so I got a bit over 210 N7 rating.

And yes, I understand I get judged by the ranking since people don't know me, but since I like stacking on gear for every gold match I rarely get kicked. I take it as a sign of being serious if you're using a sniper rifle and have a rail amp on it and preferrably some warp rounds too. Still won't make me bring a lvl15 soldier/vanguard for gold matches, but at least I know they are trying.

[jerrinehart]

I have been playing MP since 5 days after release when I beat the SP and I have never promoted once, I still don't have the achievement for it but I play gold and silver all day. I use a mic when i play. It's funny when I am in lobbies with people who have n7 over 500 and my weapons are higher levels than theirs. Anyway, the point is, there are very good players out there that do not promote. The game has been out long enough now that basically anyone over n7 80ish could be anyone really.

Modifié par jerrinehart, 14 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[IGoosI]

Teilean wrote...

You are assuming that the guy who is rank 120 has been playing for a while just as well as everyone in this thread assumes that people with high rankings are leechers and noobs, again I will point out my talk of epeen in another page.

Incorrect I am assuming nothing and made no reference to any specific player. I'm just stating facts about the system and players.

Teilean wrote...

You see someone with 120 Rating what does that tell you? The guy hasn't promoted a character, thats fine I dont mind or care from that point I take a look at his loadout good? Ok lets roll, Bad? he must be new do I have time for one of these matches today?

I see someone with a 120 rating it tells me they have played enough to understand the game in it's entirety (apart from possibly the difficulty levels). You don't get to that level without experiencing all playable characters (although new characters have been added now with the DLC) If someone is just not very good the N7 rating isn't going to tell you that. An N7 rating of 600+ could be just as bad or even worse. The fact is N7 rating does not reflect skill in any way.

Teilean wrote...

Its simple higher rating>played more>more knowhow about the game, yes there are people who only play bronze but there are also alot of people like me who take a level 1 guy into a gold match get topscore and level back up to 20 in 5 matches and when playing with randoms having a N7 Rating of 900+ and Rare Weapon X I wont get kicked.

"Its simple higher rating>played more>more knowhow about the game" This is utterly incorrect my mate has a higher n7 rating than me and I have played a LOT more than him and experienced much more in the game. I would still be at 120 now if it wasn't for the event that required character promotion (well maybe not 120 as I have unlocked 2 of the new characters but you get the idea)

People having low level weapons bad loadouts for their class etc. Fine I am not disputing that can spell trouble but to say N7 means something is entirely false and incorrect. It does not reflect skill, it does not reflect time played all it reflects is that the person promoted x ammount of times. Nothing more nothing less.

[Highlord Heian]

Totally_Mad_Rat wrote...

Objectively any >20 N7 means nothing. Subjectively it means a lot.

Objectively it means that re-leveling a class with different builds means a more polished player. And at minimum somebody should be at least N7 180, considering there was a weekend for promotions. Less than that means either a) they weren't playing then, so they're less experienced, or they didn't pay attention enough to know about the weekend, meaning they aren't very attentive to detail.

My N7 score is about 1k, because I don't mind playing four games to put myself back into gold level range. I don't buy anything with a maxed-out class, because I'd rather redundant character cards at least be worth XP.

[Highlord Heian]

Teilean wrote...

Its simple higher rating>played more>more knowhow about the game, yes there are people who only play bronze but there are also alot of people like me who take a level 1 guy into a gold match get topscore and level back up to 20 in 5 matches and when playing with randoms having a N7 Rating of 900+ and Rare Weapon X I wont get kicked.

I don't care how high your rating is, two things.

1) Taking a level 1 into gold, and

2) Thinking score matters on gold.

These two things compound to tell me that you were probably more of a burden to your teammates. The most effective people on gold are the objective-takers, the combo-triggers, the support, the rez, and the ones who prioritize targets who are a threat, more than targets who are worth a lot of points. The team players.

I can get a lot more points on my infiltrator by tearing through masses of soft targets, but I focus on hardened enemies and let the tech classes do their AoE work. No, I didn't get the most points. Yes, my team knows that no Banshees got anyone, no Phantoms were able to get too close.

If you're taking a level 1 into gold, you obviously think you're too good for bronze or silver. The fact that you're bragging about your score in gold indicates that you're not.

[Burnhardt]

N7, (and while we're on it all other similar systems) means jack. So you have the time to constantly promote and relevel characters. Good for you, but stop being an elitist ****** and think that you're 'better' than someone who doesn't have that time.

[Babydel]

To me high N7 rating just means someone is weird enough to enjoy a low level character over a level 20. I have N7 240, I've only promoted first class for the hell of it, then for the weekend and then when I want to respecc and have no cards.

I look at their class primarily and what weapon make up (mods) they have to see whether I want to play, melee attachment = no go. I never look at the N7 rating and it's 1k or something and think OMG this person must be amazing, just means they've promoted an awful lot and spent a lot of time in the game, which does not make you a better player.

The person with the top game time in BF3 has 49 score per minute, this is dreadful, I almost have his Rank yet I have 100hrs gametime and he has 1500hrs.