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[Akrim_Drak]

He didn't "turn" gay... Have you even played the romance in 3? He explains it that he's always had "something" for shepard, he just never thought too much about it till now, ya know, the end of the galaxy.

Also having a girlfriend in your teens does not bisexual make... >.> In my game, he's 100% gay, nothing bi at all. He flat out tells male shep. "Have you ever known me to be with anyone." That's code for "I'm gay," or "just REALLY freaking picky." Since it's Shepard he's into, it's the former. I think they handled Kaidan brilliantly, much better than Anders. There should be no whiny "retconners" since they didn't. Not being an option doesn't automatically make him straight.

[SparkyRich]

TS2Aggie wrote...

I think he was just frustrated over Liara's claim that she wasn't a woman when she clearly is. I can find a  video for you if you like.

The entire species clearly is - that being said, there is no distinction in the species.  Any of them can sire a child  with another of the species - something that can't be done in a species like ours.  It also means that it would be difficult for us to guess at courting behavior in such a species, so Bioware's approach is as valid as any I suppose.

[Small_Starbuck]

Reikilea wrote...

Small_Starbuck wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Small_Starbuck wrote...

it's not so much that's Kaidan's gay its more 'why is male Shepard gay?'. There has been no gay options in the previous games and suddenly he wants to experiment with Kaidan?

I'm happy there are gay options as there have always been lesbian options but this just seems a little out of blue. Mind you, I like to RP so its strange when something very out of character (or what you believe is out of character) happens.

There, you just said it. Maybe Shepard too had always feelings for Kaidan, but never acted on them. And suddenly when Kaidan confessed, he was finaly free to act on his own feelings.
Shepard just waited.

Its not really out of the blue, in fact it creates rather tragic love story of two people who suppresed their feeling for quite along time.

And besides you are Shepard. My Shepard, for example suddenly went lesbian and dumped Garrus for
Samantha.

Edit: Oh and everyone in the galaxy is Shepard sexual. Its like Jack Harkness, he/she can have nearly everyone (cough Joker cough).

Well, it would have been odd if my male Shepard did a Ianto Jones and suddenly decided after Liara and Miranda it was time for some Kaidan.

If I romance Kaidan then I progress it from ME1 - rather than the whole, "I care about you Shepard" etc he does generally love you. From playing ME1 I just don't feel anything between Kaidan and Shepard other than respect. If Kaidan had perhaps put his foot in it (as he did a lot in ME1 with female Shepard) I would be swayed. Kaidan was hardly indirect and often fell over himself in regards to his feelings.

Well, of course. But I don’t think that anyone who romanced Miranda or Liara in previous games, dumped them for Kaidan in ME3. Kaidan was made into possible s/s option. (btw I always thought Miranda would make a good s/s option, you are basically her Pygmalion)

And if you are in romance, he doesn’t make pass on you. Same with Steve. They are mostly only providing new options.

I am sure there are some single Shepards, who refused to romance people in previous games (mostly poor Jokermancers). If that’s the case, new Kaidan/Shepard relationship works very well.

Two people who had feeling for each other, but never acted on them. And well why he never expressed his interest in first game. Well, that’s Bioware fault, because in the end it was cut from the game. But you can also interpret it as a fear, that  he would be refused, uncertainty, struggle with his own feelings, fraternization rules and so on. And so could Shepard.

I see your point.
Although it is odd that they cut Kaidan being bisexual from the first game. Although Liara is not male or female you would see her as a woman so there is a lesbian option per say.

Perhaps, taking from what was said in 1, Kaidan was bisexual because all through the game it was repeated how much he kept to himself and how he disliked busy places / too many people around him. If you keeping your sexuality quiet this would be a stereotypical way of doing it.

Now I'm just clutching at straws to fill small plot holes lol.

[shepskisaac]

Obvakhi wrote...

If you're ManShep = Kaidan is bisexual
If you're FemShep = Kaidan is straight

Gay/bi Kaidan does not exist in the FemShep world.

Sure, just don't cheat on him with Jacob, you may hear something you won't like

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[78stonewobble]

And getting turned down allways sucks -.-

[JamesS.]

IsaacShep wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

If you're ManShep = Kaidan is bisexual
If you're FemShep = Kaidan is straight

Gay/bi Kaidan does not exist in the FemShep world.

Sure, just don't cheat on him with Jacob, you may hear something you won't like

I don't think that comment he makes about Jacob is meant in a gay kind of way, it sounded more like he was happy it was someone cool she cheated with :-)

[Siansonea]

Oh, it's the "bisexual? what's that?" thread again.

[dgcatanisiri]

Well, given that in ME1 Ash and Liara are both fairly obvious about having a crush on Shepard, it may have just been that he was more interested in self-preservation and didn't want to get in the middle of that. Or he just thought that there'd be time to get out there and have relationships, that he didn't need to settle down immediately with someone, but with the Reaper situation and his near-death experience with Eva, he realized that he did want to have that person in his life, that later might not come, so he would have to take a chance and put his heart on the line now.

If you take some time to think about the character, it doesn't come out of left field and isn't sudden if you don't want it to be. People don't wear every feeling out on their sleeve for the galaxy to see, after all.

[shepskisaac]

Enigma1322 wrote...

I don't think that comment he makes about Jacob is meant in a gay kind of way, it sounded more like he was happy it was someone cool she cheated with :-)

But it's already after we find out Jacob cheated on FemShep and impegnated Brynn so Kaidan's definitely not reffering to Jacob's personality lol

[NICKjnp]

@OP
No he wasn't homophobic. He stated he didn't recognize that Femshep likes girls. As for him being bisexual...he was changed because people were asking for a gay romance. I'm glad the option was made available to those who are interested...though I would have preferred if they had chosen Vega rather than changing an existing g character.

[BatmanPWNS]

I always did lol that his argument to seperate Liara and FemShep was to say they're both women.

[knightnblu]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Amen

[Raikas]

He explains it that he's always had "something" for shepard, he just never thought too much about it till now, ya know, the end of the galaxy.

This.

In addition, if you used the paragon dialogue option on Horizon in ME2, Kaidan's response borders on the romantic, so it's certainly not "sudden" depending on your interpretation there.

[draken-heart]

its the same reason Ashley is still straight and Samantha's romance has more of a war-based fling feeling, Developer choice.

[daigakuinsei]

Since he'll do either BroShep or FemShep, I believe the correct term is bisexual.

[Mentxi]

It's like asking why is Garus suddenly heterosexual and into femsehp when he wasn't interested during Me1. He likes mshep, like almost everyone in the universe... and shep, let's be honest, he's a common **** ^^

[Mr.House]

He is not suddenly bisexual. Kaidan was always bi, it was always Biowares intention but they didn't have the time to implant it into the game. Meer has voiced all of Kaidans romance dialog for all three games. Also he never said he was straight. It's no different then Tali and Garrus being interested in Shepard all of a sudden in ME2.

[p__q]

First time playing ME1 I actually assumed he was a s/s option just based on how the interactions played out, this was pretty much just because they reused animations for both male and female shep giving the scenes sexual tension that probably wasn't supposed to be in there but it a lot of people noticed it ( actually remember seeing an amusing article on implied same sex relationships in videogames and Kaidan/M shep came 5th ^^).

While this doesn't change the fact that from a game perspective his sexuality is pretty much retconned it does mean that from a story perspective it's hardly a stretch to believe he was always bi.

[Tokage]

Obvakhi wrote...

If you're ManShep = Kaidan is bisexual
If you're FemShep = Kaidan is straight

Gay/bi Kaidan does not exist in the FemShep world. They pretty much did to Kaidan what they did to Anders... pure fanservice.

I like fanservice ^-^

[Akrim_Drak]

daigakuinsei wrote...

Since he'll do either BroShep or FemShep, I believe the correct term is bisexual.

However BOTH cannot exist in the same universe, which means if he likes male Shep, he would be gay(unless the game gives him other past relationships to prove otherwise, which it -barely- does)

And for female Shepard he's 100% straight, he doesn't like men sexually at all. This is metagaming!

He could be headcanoned to be bisexual, but just the fact he likes either gender Shepard does not make him bisexual since only one ever exists at a time to him.

Bugs the crap out of me when people use "he can be romanced by either Shepard" to claim bisexuality. Just a pet peeve. In my world, as a male player, he only likes men and had a fling back in "high school" (I'm at least a 5 on the kinsey and even I had girlfriends in highschool...)

I'm not saying people are wrong calling him bisexual, but doing so ONLY because either Shepard can romance him does not work, there MUST be a third party.

Bugged me in DA2 too, when only Anders and Isabela had past relationships with the same/opposite sex to be able to be canonically bisexual. Merril and Fenris were whichever gender your Hawke was.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 13 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[Madgey]

But isn't it implied that he has a thing for asaris too? (Yes whatever "monogendered" blah blah, Asaris are the sexy, exotic, lady aliens of Mass Effect, face it) So in a BroShep universe he would be bi?

[Akrim_Drak]

Madgey wrote...

But isn't it implied that he has a thing for asaris too? (Yes whatever "monogendered" blah blah, Asaris are the sexy, exotic, lady aliens of Mass Effect, face it) So in a BroShep universe he would be bi?

I think EVERYONE has a thing for the asari. I dunno, I find certain women attractive(asian women, and spanish women I find extremely beautiful,) but it doesn't really mean I'd go anywhere with them. I think that's just a human thing. We all admire things we find pretty and attractive. I think you could still keep him gay and appreciate the beauty and exotic nature of the asari. I do!

He can be bisexual if you want him to be, I'm not debating that at all. I'm just saying that you can't base it solely on him liking both genders of Shepard since there's no such thing ingame. There's only one.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 14 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Kaidan didn't suddenly become gay.

He fell in love with manShep.

And he could be bisexual in the femShep universe, I imagine he is anyways. Why does he have to sit there and talk to her about his sex history. I mean, after all those threads ****ing about the male characters sharing a relationship history with femShep, you'd think people would get the hint that there are a number of fans who don't want hear about that.

[jeweledleah]

/puts flameshield on.

1. he was NOT meant for maleshep originally - his ME1 romance is very gender specific (he calls Shepard woman a lot, in romantic dialogue - part of why they decided not to use Shepard recoded dialogue, it really did sound weird and would require Sbarge to come back in for a lot of extra recording - not to mention, romance triggers are beacon/opposite sex based). he was made available due to fan demand and because being dead in most games, he made great candidate for m/m romance that "straight male gamer" could easily avoid.  his dialogues with maleshep in general were a bit of an afterthought.  its heavily implied that Ashley is the default Virmire survivor.
2. even in maleshep game, he is implied to have attraction to women, with his comments on ME1 on the view in Chora's den, interest in extranet fetish sites featuring decidedly feminine asari, commentary on EDI's body, when you just get him back in ME3.
3. the date doesn't imply any hidden feelings sine ME1, but rather it implies that he was reconsidering his mortality after Mars mission and realized that he's lonely and can die at any moment. Kaidan doesn't do random sex and Shepard is the closest person he has available. if anything, its very Garrus romance like in nature - Shepard-sexual rather then actual bisexual.
4. unlike femshep romance new or old - he never once says anything about love - Shepard does. he also takes rejection from Shepard very easily and segues right into friendship dialogue unlike femshep, where he's obviously hurt (not what I wanted to hear) (yes, I tested it personally, during my Steve romance run). in fact, its heavily implied that he cares about Shepard... as a friend with benefits, but he's not in love. possibly yet.

honestly? he's a Schrodinger character. his flag gets flipped on and off in decidedly inorganic fashion (tell him "you are good, for now" in that first hospital conversation, and you default to friendship, lock in another romance prior to his date, and even imported romance Kaidan defaults to friendship dialogue, as if imported romance never existed, I also think (not 100% sure) that using renegade responses during conversation on Mars over dead Cerberus trooper - also locks out new romance). his new romance, male OR female is IMO tacked on, a slightly modified (and in case of maleshep - post dinner, cropped down) version of imported romance.

Bioware did the minimum necessary work because they knew that his fanbase was dedicated enough to go with it and headcanon whatever wasn't included.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[daigakuinsei]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

daigakuinsei wrote...

Since he'll do either BroShep or FemShep, I believe the correct term is bisexual.

However BOTH cannot exist in the same universe, which means if he likes male Shep, he would be gay(unless the game gives him other past relationships to prove otherwise, which it -barely- does)

And for female Shepard he's 100% straight, he doesn't like men sexually at all. This is metagaming!

He could be headcanoned to be bisexual, but just the fact he likes either gender Shepard does not make him bisexual since only one ever exists at a time to him.

Bugs the crap out of me when people use "he can be romanced by either Shepard" to claim bisexuality. Just a pet peeve. In my world, as a male player, he only likes men and had a fling back in "high school" (I'm at least a 5 on the kinsey and even I had girlfriends in highschool...)

I'm not saying people are wrong calling him bisexual, but doing so ONLY because either Shepard can romance him does not work, there MUST be a third party.

Bugged me in DA2 too, when only Anders and Isabela had past relationships with the same/opposite sex to be able to be canonically bisexual. Merril and Fenris were whichever gender your Hawke was.

Nah.  If you're BroShep he mentions Rahna in ME1, comments on attractiveness of females.

I'm detecting a little biphobia in your post.