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[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...
1. he was NOT meant for maleshep originally

Will you say though that if they had more time he STILL wouldn't be available for mShep since day 1? Because we both know that it was brought up on the table at one point but didn't move forward not because they thought "nope, not bi!", but because of stuff you said yourself - having to redo animations, dilaogues etc.

jeweledleah wrote...
2. even in maleshep game, he is implied to have attraction to women, with his comments on ME1 on the view in Chora's den, interest in extranet fetish sites featuring decidedly feminine asari, commentary on EDI's body, when you just get him back in ME3.

And in FemShep's game he says that FemShep had good taste to sleep with Jacob. What? If you interpret his comments on EDI or fetish sites as "I would do it myself with Asari/EDI!", I'm interpreting Jacob comment as "I kinda understand why you cheated, he's a very hot guy, I would do it with him too!".

jeweledleah wrote...
3. the date doesn't imply any hidden feelings sine ME1, but rather it implies that he was reconsidering his mortality after Mars mission and realized that he's lonely and can die at any moment. Kaidan doesn't do random sex and Shepard is the closest person he has available. if anything, its very Garrus romance like in nature - Shepard-sexual rather then actual bisexual.

The date not only just implies that he had feelings mShep for a while now, he basically says it himself: "Maybe what I've never found--what I want--is something deeper with someone I already... care about." No, he wasn't hiding his feelings, he just wasn't aware how deep his feeling for mShep were. And once again "Thinking you were gone... It was like losing a limb!". C'mon, it couldn't be more obvious he was in love with mShep since a long time, many people thought that after Horizon, regardless of the fact he didn't realize it.

jeweledleah wrote...
4. unlike femshep romance new or old - he never once says anything about love - Shepard does. he also takes rejection from Shepard very easily and segues right into friendship dialogue unlike femshep, where he's obviously hurt (not what I wanted to hear) (yes, I tested it personally, during my Steve romance run). in fact, its heavily implied that he cares about Shepard... as a friend with benefits, but he's not in love. possibly yet.

AS IF you didn't realize that the reason why there's no "I love you" in mShep/Kaidan romance is because they cut out an entire sequence of heavily feminine animations where that line is placed in. FemShep sits on him in very feminine way and right after that there's an animation when he carries her to bed. Which would look silly with 2 guys of the same body size/weight. Like you said yourself, BW did the minimum of necessary work.

Let's be honest Leah. You're unhappy that he's available for male Shepard so you're just trying to downplay his feelings for mShep. Twist everything into "no, he doesn't really love mShep"

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[Siansonea]

Same snit, different day.

[Akrim_Drak]

daigakuinsei wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

daigakuinsei wrote...

Since he'll do either BroShep or FemShep, I believe the correct term is bisexual.

However BOTH cannot exist in the same universe, which means if he likes male Shep, he would be gay(unless the game gives him other past relationships to prove otherwise, which it -barely- does)

And for female Shepard he's 100% straight, he doesn't like men sexually at all. This is metagaming!

He could be headcanoned to be bisexual, but just the fact he likes either gender Shepard does not make him bisexual since only one ever exists at a time to him.

Bugs the crap out of me when people use "he can be romanced by either Shepard" to claim bisexuality. Just a pet peeve. In my world, as a male player, he only likes men and had a fling back in "high school" (I'm at least a 5 on the kinsey and even I had girlfriends in highschool...)

I'm not saying people are wrong calling him bisexual, but doing so ONLY because either Shepard can romance him does not work, there MUST be a third party.

Bugged me in DA2 too, when only Anders and Isabela had past relationships with the same/opposite sex to be able to be canonically bisexual. Merril and Fenris were whichever gender your Hawke was.

Nah.  If you're BroShep he mentions Rahna in ME1, comments on attractiveness of females.

I'm detecting a little biphobia in your post.

I have no problem with bisexuals, my longest term relationship was with a bi guy and I had no problem whatsoever when he talked about what he wanted to do with a few ladies we knew. >.> I was only saying that you can't ONLY base his bisexuality on him liking both Shepards, and if you ALSO want, you can easily explain him being gay because those are hardly concrete evidence of bisexuality. I'm not like "OMG HE'S GAY, HE'S NOT BI, YOU'RE WRONG!" I'm just saying if you want him to be gay, he can be gay. There's evidence for him to be any of the three orientations. No one person is right, unless you're femshep, then all the evidence(unless you metagame,) points at him only liking women, but if your femshep wants him to be bi, then nobody is stopping you!

I've had girlfriends, I find women attractive, I'm like 95% gay... There's a big spectrum. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or anything.  Doesn't have to be some argument about it. ._. Why's everyone always argue?

[pingupower]

I regreted saving him the moment he hit on me.

[rolson00]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

they always wanted him to be bi bioware like or not has always supported equal rights (they did it with KOTOR) just at the time they didnt know if it would be allowed to be published if theyadded ash and kiaden as bi and any way who are you to talk about the artistic integrity of the mass effect series are you secretly a dev? i know your casey pretenting to be a fan!

Modifié par rolson00, 14 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[Gilthanis]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Fans demanded a romance with Garrus and Tali and BioWare delivered.  How is S/S any different?  Actually, let me re-phrase that.  How is Male S/S any different since Female S/S was already included in ME2?

Modifié par Gilthanis, 14 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[rolson00]

Gilthanis wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Fans demanded a romance with Garrus and Tali and BioWare delivered.  How is S/S any different?  Actually, let me re-phrase that.  How is Male S/S any different since Female S/S was already included in ME2?

me1 & me3 only, me2 didnt have s/s just a flirt battle with kelly

Modifié par rolson00, 14 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[Gilthanis]

rolson00 wrote...

Gilthanis wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Fans demanded a romance with Garrus and Tali and BioWare delivered.  How is S/S any different?  Actually, let me re-phrase that.  How is Male S/S any different since Female S/S was already included in ME2?

me1 & me3 only, me2 didnt have s/s just a flirt battle with kelly

I count Kelly as a Romance option.  I know she's not a full blown Romance like some of the others but she is one.

[Cuddlezarro]

rolson00 wrote...

Gilthanis wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Fans demanded a romance with Garrus and Tali and BioWare delivered.  How is S/S any different?  Actually, let me re-phrase that.  How is Male S/S any different since Female S/S was already included in ME2?

me1 & me3 only, me2 didnt have s/s just a flirt battle with kelly

lets not forget liara as well if you have LoTSB now

[Rosinante]

Gaidan has alwasy been gay. The moment he ****ed at Joker in ME1 it was obvious.

[darthclide]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Agreed. To people saying it was cut from ME1. Even if this is true, you can't just "throw" it back in, like it was always there. It would be like a jig-saw puzzle that originally had 1000 columns, but ended up with 999. After it is completed, you can't just "add" another column to the puzzle to make it 1000 columns like you wanted, the pieces wouldn't fit, let alone look right.

[AndreasShepard]

darthclide wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Agreed. To people saying it was cut from ME1. Even if this is true, you can't just "throw" it back in, like it was always there. It would be like a jig-saw puzzle that originally had 1000 columns, but ended up with 999. After it is completed, you can't just "add" another column to the puzzle to make it 1000 columns like you wanted, the pieces wouldn't fit, let alone look right.

Actually you can, pretty easily explained with the line "we were always so focused on the mission" which is included in the game.  If Kaidan is a bi character then there is nothing wrong with him not choosing to express a romantic interest till ME3.  People just need to let it go.

[darthclide]

AndreasShepard wrote...

darthclide wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Agreed. To people saying it was cut from ME1. Even if this is true, you can't just "throw" it back in, like it was always there. It would be like a jig-saw puzzle that originally had 1000 columns, but ended up with 999. After it is completed, you can't just "add" another column to the puzzle to make it 1000 columns like you wanted, the pieces wouldn't fit, let alone look right.

Actually you can, pretty easily explained with the line "we were always so focused on the mission" which is included in the game.  If Kaidan is a bi character then there is nothing wrong with him not choosing to express a romantic interest till ME3.  People just need to let it go.

Um... your logic does not explain anything. My jig-saw puzzle analogy still explains perfectly what Bioware did. The difference is your opinion of whether "throwing an extra column" onto the puzzle is a bad thing. In your case, you don't mind. In my case, I think it royally screws continuity, just like a myriad of other continuity problems they made, all in the name of political correctness/minority bias.

Modifié par darthclide, 20 avril 2012 - 03:19 .

[Dr. Shevek]

After the Ardat-Yaztee (or whatever) mission, I talked to Allers and she said "Has Alenko had media training? He just gave me a steady star during our interview."

It seems to me like he's bi.

[AndreasShepard]

darthclide wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

darthclide wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because the S/S crowd demanded it, and Bioware delivered. So much for maintaining "artistic integrity".

Agreed. To people saying it was cut from ME1. Even if this is true, you can't just "throw" it back in, like it was always there. It would be like a jig-saw puzzle that originally had 1000 columns, but ended up with 999. After it is completed, you can't just "add" another column to the puzzle to make it 1000 columns like you wanted, the pieces wouldn't fit, let alone look right.

Actually you can, pretty easily explained with the line "we were always so focused on the mission" which is included in the game.  If Kaidan is a bi character then there is nothing wrong with him not choosing to express a romantic interest till ME3.  People just need to let it go.

Um... your logic does not explain anything. My jig-saw puzzle analogy still explains perfectly what Bioware did. The difference is your opinion of whether "throwing an extra column" onto the puzzle is a bad thing. In your case, you don't mind. In my case, I think it royally screws continuity, just like a myriad of other continuity problems they made, all in the name of political correctness/minority bias.

People aren't jigsaw puzzles with a set number of columns, nor do they have to be sexually/romantically available at all times.  You're operating under the assumption that all characters in a story need to be totally forthcoming about who they are at all times without the possibility of withholding information from the main character.  Basically the only thing you're saying that has any backing is you feel Bioware went the political correctness/minority bias route which shows that the real issue is you not being comfortable with a choice about a fictional character's sexuality, not the implausibility of Kaidan being made available to male shep in ME3.
It's ok to be uncomfortable with bisexuality as a concept but to  say a character being open to the same sex ruins continuity shows that you have a pretty limited understanding of how human sexuality can and does play out in the real world.

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 20 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[NGC1300]

this poop again. tedious and boring.

but I'll say something that I never said. You know what? If you play your Shep heterosexually, he's hetero, that's "your" Shep universe. The problem here is, you saw someone elses' gameplay, "their" gameplay, and then you go oh shat hell nah!

Yeah, the issue is in other people's gameplay which is just totally none of your business. Enjoy your universe, fine, but the game also revolves around how other players play it as well. Can't you effing see that that's why there are "choices" in the first place?

Oh, and it's not like in the game Kaidan would run to you and say "Hey, Shep! I'm gay wanna bang?" If you still continue to play "your" hetero Shep, this gay content is almost unnoticable.

Problem is, you played, you perceived the character the way you see it, you have preset of how the character is and when you see how that character is different in someone's else gameplay, you feel a disjoint. IF you ask me, i would say Kaidan has always been gay since ME1, yh, I banged him in ME1, I imported that save to ME2 and then banged him again in ME3, the same and only save for me. So he's ultra gay, gayest gay in ME universe. I've never been aware of any straigth Kaiden. Sound the same but from different perspective?

Yeah.

Modifié par NGC1300, 20 avril 2012 - 04:15 .