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Is Mass Effect 3 GOTY worthy?


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malikstarks2

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Not for me it isn't.

I never had any qualms about ME2 or ME1 winning GOTY awards. Yes niether game was perfect and at times I think ME2 in particular was a bit over-praised but it's undeniably still a pretty great game. I just happen to like the first one better.


Now with ME3 it's a bit of different. The combat, environments, etc. are undeniably the best I've seen in the series. But that's really ME3's only strong point. The dialogue has been reduced to a very simplistic level which was simply unnecessary. I never thought they would dumb-down their dialogue, but I guess they did. Which is odd given the whole Reputation system. So at last we get something that let's us play more neutral Shepards... but then you take the neutral option away? I have a bad feeling this was thanks to the "Action Mode" which I doubt all that many people are actually interested in. 

There's a lot of sloppy animation work too. And I don't like saying that... but it's the unfortunate truth. Compared to many other current games ME3 has some really fugly looking animations. Which is odd since EA made this a selling point of games like BF3. But I guess it wasn't important for ME3. Now I'm not saying all the animations are bad. Some are done well, but I just get this impression ME3 is unfinished in many respects. However one of the more pertinent issues is just how many wonky conversations there are on the 360 version. If anything I expect the dialogue cinematics to look nice. But here I can't even count how many times I've seen Shepard "teleport" or "shift" during them. It's really rather frightening these things made their way into the final version.

Then I got to be honest about the story. While it's solid and a step up from ME2, a lot of it just has this feeling of being contrived for the sake of it. I mean some of the scenes are great. But towards the end I got the impression they were killing off characters more for convenience and less for the sake of the story. There's just a lot of unnecessary rail-roading that goes on in ME3 and it cheapens the value of it. I mean I can tell they were trying to make your previous choices matter. But really the only decisions that have any truly noteworthy impact on the game is what you did with your ME2 crewmates. Now that'd be fine with me. But there's hardly any mention of what you did involving any of the side quests from ME1 and ME2. Yes there are a few, but only a very few. I am very much shocked how few cameos they were. Heck barely even any emails. That's a noticeable step down from ME2. Then there's also the unhelpful Journal and the FedEx Quests. Not only does Shepard interact with fewer characters, but I have to go scan a planet to find their Prothean Teddy Bear? Why am I doing this stuff? And why must I use ME2's silly scanning system to boot? What was wrong with ME1's nice planetary views and press "Y" to scan?


However the biggest stickler has been this whole ending debacle. Not only were we heaviy mislead as to what to expect, but the ending is completely unsatisfying. And worst of all Bioware won't even really tell us what their DLC plans are. So you lie to us? Then you keep us in the dark to "speculate"? And you think releasing some free DLC months later is going to make everyone feel better? LOL what? I'm sorry but I don't particularily enjoy being jerked around as I have been. This is a huge slap in the face to just about every fan out there. After this whole thing I just feel like I've been betrayed. And honestly even should this "Extended Cut" be the most amazing DLC of all time I'm still unsure whether Bioware should be forgiven. For now I cannot in good conscience even suggest ME3 be a GOTY contender much in the same way I cannot recommend anyone play it at this point. To do so is basically pardoning fraudulence.


Long post here but I agree. As I said in an earlier post, if looked at in ISOLATION, ME 3 is not just a great game, but probably a certifiable classic.

However when taking into account the big picture, in terms of EXPECTATIONS, and what we all know Bioware is capable of, it fell short. ME 3 was like a LAYUP for Bioware, EA knew this and so what you got was a game that (in the big picture) was JUST ENOUGH. A few combat improvements (although some classes are now way overpowered), slightly better graphics, and multiplayer for enhanced monetization.

This while taking away a few things that wouldn't cause too much uproar (like REAL N7 missions, instead of running around a multiplayer map).

The story as well while very good (when looking at this game alone), was also somewhat telegraphed and predictable (Udina's betrayal, Genophage Cure). Yea we knew we were going to have to deal with these issues, but they seem to have been handled in a somewhat perfunctory/by the numbers fashion.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 14 avril 2012 - 04:20 .


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Not with the current (or extended) ending. Just NO.



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I doubt the ending will effect much of it. But all of those good games coming out will be some hard competition.

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For me, yes it is goty worthy. Ending aside its a great game.

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I thought it was kind of terrible, if looked at in a vacuum. Most of the goodwill going to the game consists of the combat and characters, and combat tbh is wildly unbalanced, repetitive and after a while boring (level design and boss design took a dive from ME2). And the emotion investment in the characters was built over the course of the previous two games, so almost anything involving them would have been enjoyed.

Storyline... in addition to the really meh ending, was middleing. For the most part, fails to reach the dramatics and slick cinematography of ME2 (Prologue, Mars, Earth in particular) and felt railroaded.

In essense, if this wasn't a Mass Effect branded game, without the legions of fans desperately wanting to like it, this game would have been an interesting (cool whizzbang powers) yet shallow game, devoid of emotional investment and choice supposed to be in RPGs. The game sold and is still being talked about based solely on the success and quality of the previous two games.

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Facialmatters wrote...

I thought it was kind of terrible, if looked at in a vacuum. Most of the goodwill going to the game consists of the combat and characters, and combat tbh is wildly unbalanced, repetitive and after a while boring (level design and boss design took a dive from ME2). And the emotion investment in the characters was built over the course of the previous two games, so almost anything involving them would have been enjoyed.

Storyline... in addition to the really meh ending, was middleing. For the most part, fails to reach the dramatics and slick cinematography of ME2 (Prologue, Mars, Earth in particular) and felt railroaded.

In essense, if this wasn't a Mass Effect branded game, without the legions of fans desperately wanting to like it, this game would have been an interesting (cool whizzbang powers) yet shallow game, devoid of emotional investment and choice supposed to be in RPGs. The game sold and is still being talked about based solely on the success and quality of the previous two games.


I both agree and disagree here.

Part that I disagree, is that I think if looked at by itself ME 3 is a classic. It's like what Roger Ebert said of the Phantom Mence, if it was truly the first we had ever seen of the Star Wars Franchise, it would have been hailed as a revolutionary acheivement.

However in the big picture, and in terms of expecations, it fell far short, much like ME 3

I agree strongly with everything else-as I said before-ME 3 was basically a layup for Bioware in terms of what they are capable of, they did JUST ENOUGH to get the ball through the hoop, nothing more.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 14 avril 2012 - 05:11 .


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Kreidian wrote...

Yes

... but they still need to fix the ending


This, though I personally feel something will still come along and wow us to the point of forgetting ME3 and it's errors.

Like AC3 or Diablo 3.

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Mesina2 wrote...

It took me 22 hours to beat ME1 with almost everything on first run with no DLC's.
38 hours for ME2 with everything done on first run with no DLC's.
40 hours for ME3 with everything done on first run with no DLC's.


In other words, chart is very flawed.


Someone went through all 3 games, counted number of quests in those game, made a chart, and you call it "flawed"?
We are dealing with factual numbers here, not assumptions, not predictions but facts.

Just the amount of fetch "missions" should indicate how superficial this is.

Modifié par cotheer, 14 avril 2012 - 05:24 .


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I99I Dragoon

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I can look past the ending, not **** about it, and act my age and think like a big boy. I believe it will be a contender

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I99I Dragoon wrote...

I can look past the ending, not **** about it, and act my age and think like a big boy. I believe it will be a contender


Any game can be GOTY if you look past what's wrong with it... doesn't matter what age you are.Image IPB

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heart again wrote...

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Halo 4 is turning even more into CoD than Reach was but ok.  Pretty sure H:CE was the last to get GOTY from anyone worth a sh*t anyways.

No, CoD sucks. Halo 3 got GOTY from the VGA's, halo 2 got an award to but u am not entirely sure if it was GOTY or something else. and halo CE was GOTy as well.
Halo 4 for GOTY.

Modifié par slyguy200, 14 avril 2012 - 05:00 .


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Bad King wrote...

If it had come out last year, definitely not. But maybe this year.

Halo 4

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No offense Sly, because you're obviously the sheer definition of an in-pubescent fanboy, but...

No sane gamer cares what the VGA's give.. have you ever even watched them or the criteria they use?

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Yes, totally. I enjoyed SP a lot and now that I have finally got into MP, I can't even leave my room, woo.

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It scored real high, I'm a fan and love it. So do a lot of my friends. Once they get the extended cut out to everyone I don't see why it couldn't be.

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Scam_poo wrote...

Yes, totally. I enjoyed SP a lot and now that I have finally got into MP, I can't even leave my room, woo.

So um....where do you use the bathroom?

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I only played one other game so far that was released this year, I'm disappointed with the game(ME) but between the 2 its the better game.
But before the end of the year bigger games are coming, and probably some that dont have release dates yet for example GTA5 and the last of us ,so by the end of the year I dont think the game will deserve it(but that doesnt mean it wont win)

Modifié par mutermath, 14 avril 2012 - 04:37 .


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Everytime is see my CE i could take a dump on it - not worth it

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Absolutely no.

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Well. Guild Wars 2, Halo 4 and Assassin's Creed 3 are on their way. So I wouldn't choose Mass Effect 3 as GOTY. Not yet at least.

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Even if the extended cut ends up being the answer to my prayers, it doesn't undo a month of mild depression.

Seriously, any title that kills my enjoyment of playing any videogame whatsoever for an extended period of time does not deserve to be called GOTY in my opinion.

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Just discovered I have the clipboard error in Win 7.  Sorry for multiple posts.

Modifié par Aquilas, 14 avril 2012 - 05:44 .


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Nizzemancer wrote...

kbct wrote...

How does the voting for GOTY work? Everything depends on who gets to vote.


GOTY is decided by magazines, review sites etc who each might have their own award. it's not handed out by any one specific organization like for example the Oscars is for movies.


If GOTY is decided by magazines that have a vested interest in EA, then there is a chance it could win GOTY.

In gamers have a vote, there is ZERO CHANCE. In fact, ME3 might win Most Disappointing Game in North America. Heh.

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kbct wrote...

Nizzemancer wrote...

kbct wrote...

How does the voting for GOTY work? Everything depends on who gets to vote.


GOTY is decided by magazines, review sites etc who each might have their own award. it's not handed out by any one specific organization like for example the Oscars is for movies.


If GOTY is decided by magazines that have a vested interest in EA, then there is a chance it could win GOTY.

In gamers have a vote, there is ZERO CHANCE. In fact, ME3 might win Most Disappointing Game in North America. Heh.

What about the VGA's?

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Vasarkian wrote...

No offense Sly, because you're obviously the sheer definition of an in-pubescent fanboy, but...

No sane gamer cares what the VGA's give.. have you ever even watched them or the criteria they use?

Yes i have seen them,, i just don't care for the magazines or review sites, except for pre-release info. i do what i can to avoid any hype, i just read the info

Modifié par slyguy200, 14 avril 2012 - 05:04 .