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[scorched595]

MerchantGOL wrote...

scorched595 wrote...

Well you gotta be doin something wrong, again, just get a new set of disks, it might just be corrupted data on the disk

The point is, that this is a major glitch that was wide spread, and persisted after their patches for many people and Skyrim STILL won GOTY.

Well, here's the thing, it isn't as big of an issue as you think because it only happens once in a while, and because there are INFINITE AMOUNTS of dragons in the game, it shouldnt be too big of an issue considering you will have plenty of dragons to absorb souls from

Modifié par scorched595, 22 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[Homebound]

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

farlander28 wrote...

Vanishing NPC, just one example:

But hey, I guess we're all imagining it.

I never said it didn't happen to you.

I said you wer the only person ive herd it happen to personaly ,and its minor compared to all of skyrim's bs.

In skyrim ive had not only that glitch happen, but have characters walk into another room mid conversation.

Comparing a much more Linear Game's bugs with a vastly Non-Linear game's bugs is pretty foolish IMHO.

[scorched595]

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

To be fair, Bethesda do communicate with their fans more tactfully. They don't pretend to be cosey with them, but they do deliver to the majority when pressured on things.

FO3 is a great example, the DLC they produced for that was amazing, exactly what fans asked for.

They immediately dropped the microtransaction DLC with Oblivion, now look at Skyrim, free updates with new kill cams, it shows how they learn from mistakes.

But yeah, the main point with Bethesda is they have demonstrated they walk the walk, even without talking the talk.

You make some good points. +1 internets for you

[Kevlar xD]

I really don't think so. That heap of crap at the end aside, there were a lot of ways that the actual gameplay, I felt, weren't that amazing. All of the classes, for example, had a pretty easily figured formula to make the SP very, very easy with the introduction of tech bursts and biotic explosions. ME3 really departed from RPG and got more into TPS, but the TPS wasn't that well done. Literally speaking, if you arranged your hot keys to prime and trigger explosions in order, the game became pressing 1-2-3. It was fun, yeah, but it was stupid fun. I don't have any gripe with that, but it certainly makes the game less amazing.

I think ME3 benefitted from a very, very well orchestrated marketing campaign to sell as much as it did, and the reviews are true to the extent that ME3, played alone, is actually a very, very good game. Played as the conclusion of a trilogy, ME3 departs from what started as a mainly RPG game to a RPG/TPS, with neither part done really well. I don't think that it will stand up to other blockbuster games coming out later this year. The revival of Master Chief? A new Assassin's Creed? Diablo III? Maybe Heart of the Swarm?

The sour taste that it left in the pallets of literally hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of fans, I think, pretty much ensures that ME3 will not stand up to those titles.

[StElmo]

Hellbound555 wrote...

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Over reactions, the game deserves about 5.5/10, 0/10 is a silly score to give a functional game.

Still, 5.5 is not GOTY material.

Fix the ending and deliver on the pre-release statements and it could shoot up to a 9 easily.

[scorched595]

Hellbound555 wrote...

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

well, yeah, but that's also partially **** trolls from 4chan.

[MerchantGOL]

scorched595 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

scorched595 wrote...

Well you gotta be doin something wrong, again, just get a new set of disks, it might just be corrupted data on the disk

The point is, that this is a major glitch that was wide spread, and persisted after their patches for many people and Skyrim STILL won GOTY.

Well, here's the thing, it isn't as big of an issue as you think because it only happens once in a while, and because there are INFINITE AMOUNTS of dragons in the game, it shouldnt be too big of an issue considering you will have plenty of dragons to absorb souls from

Except i couldnt get souls or shouts from any thing else ether!

This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not. 

[Phategod1]

Hellbound555 wrote...

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Yeah there flipping butt hurt morons. 

[RampaXi]

Will still be a GOTY for me no matter what.

[scorched595]

MerchantGOL wrote...

scorched595 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

scorched595 wrote...

Well you gotta be doin something wrong, again, just get a new set of disks, it might just be corrupted data on the disk

The point is, that this is a major glitch that was wide spread, and persisted after their patches for many people and Skyrim STILL won GOTY.

Well, here's the thing, it isn't as big of an issue as you think because it only happens once in a while, and because there are INFINITE AMOUNTS of dragons in the game, it shouldnt be too big of an issue considering you will have plenty of dragons to absorb souls from

Except i couldnt get souls or shouts from any thing else ether!

This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not. 

Ok first of all, that would be basically any news source, not just fox news, secondly, metacritic is alot more trustworthy simply because it's actual people reviewing it and not "pros" who are probably being paid under the table

Modifié par scorched595, 22 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...


This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

That would be horrible, if a significant portion of the base had that problem, sounds pretty minor to me.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not.

Because 100% of the fanbase experienced an ending that went against pre-release statements.

Another difference between Bethesda and BioWare's handling of their latest titles.

The rhetoric died down very quickly once Bethesda took the game gold. BioWare did not dial down the rhetoric, and as a result, made their bed and now have to lie in it, while Bethesda mostly deliver on their most recent accounts of the game as it went gold.

Modifié par StElmo, 22 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[MerchantGOL]

scorched595 wrote...

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Ok first of all, that would be basically any news source, not just fox news, secondly, metacritic is alot more trustworthy simply because it's actual people reviewing it and not "pros" who are probably being paid under the table

But it isn't, the fact a game can get bombareded with zeros for being an exclusive, For using a new main character, a diffrent change in direction, or any other trivial thing rather then the actual quality of the game means the entire thing is untrustworthy and lacks any credbility.

Maybe some reveiwrs do get paid, but i would still trust  Game trailers and 1up a hell of allot more then Some angry ass hole  who spamed a game he didn't like for some bs reason.

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Notice that all gamers can overreact, but Elder Scrolls has a good solid 8.1 User score:

http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

That just shows that those kind of bugs and issues that some experience aren't as outrageous as the endings to ME3, which violated people's expectations, where as Skyrim mostly met those expectations.

I agree that 0/10 is childish, but don't ya think a game that" doesn't work" should provoke an even stronger reaction?

See the difference?

GOTY is meaningless, but logically, you wouldn't give it to an overwhelmingly underwhelming game to fans.

Modifié par StElmo, 22 mai 2012 - 05:48 .

[MerchantGOL]

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...


This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

That would be horrible, if a significant portion of the base had that problem, sounds pretty minor to me.

 IT was a wide spread problem and not absorbing dragon souls is any thing but minor.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not.

Because 100% of the fanbase experienced an ending that went against pre-release statements.

Not gonna argue the endign here  but lets say your right here. That dosen't stop metacritic from havign no credbility on account of the massive amounts of butthurt.

[MerchantGOL]

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Notice that all gamers can overreact, but Elder Scrolls has a good solid 8.1 User score:

http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

That just shows that those kind of bugs and issues that some experience aren't as outrageous as the endings to ME3, which violated people's expectations, where as Skyrim mostly met those expectations. 

  thats because [my feeling son it aside] The game was verry good, and the massive flaws weren't readdily apperant i didn't get my game breaking bugs till 50 hours in.

[Flubberlub]

GOTY edition would make a lot of sense... But only if Bioware crammed it full of new and exciting content.
Including a full ending i.e. one that lets you play on after the game.

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...


This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

That would be horrible, if a significant portion of the base had that problem, sounds pretty minor to me.

 IT was a wide spread problem and not absorbing dragon souls is any thing but minor.

I agree, but it is clearly not experienced as a comparably significant problem to the RGB endings.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not.

Because 100% of the fanbase experienced an ending that went against pre-release statements.

Not gonna argue the endign here  but lets say your right here. That dosen't stop metacritic from havign no credbility on account of the massive amounts of butthurt.

I agree, I don't think metacritic (pro or user scores) is an accurate representation of product value.

I do however, think that if Skyrim's bugs had an equally widespread problem base, and were handled equally as badly as BioWare has handled the ending situation, then the user score would be through the floor. Way lower the ME3's user score.

Butt Hurt Story fans are one thing. Butt Hurt Broken-gameplay fans? That's a massive step up in severity. You should expect far more 0's for that if if was a comparable problem to the ME3 ending PR debarcle.

Modifié par StElmo, 22 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Notice that all gamers can overreact, but Elder Scrolls has a good solid 8.1 User score:

http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

That just shows that those kind of bugs and issues that some experience aren't as outrageous as the endings to ME3, which violated people's expectations, where as Skyrim mostly met those expectations. 

  thats because [my feeling son it aside] The game was verry good, and the massive flaws weren't readdily apperant i didn't get my game breaking bugs till 50 hours in.

Most people didn't have problems with ME3 until 40 hours in. So you can't say that's a reason for the lower Meta scores.

The reaction is indiciative. While not "fair", it is comparably indicative.

This is why you can't say "but skyrim got GOTY, why not ME3?"

Because Skyrim didn't create a ****storm, wether it be reactionary or rational, it didn't create one. BW did.

[Homebound]

StElmo wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Over reactions, the game deserves about 5.5/10, 0/10 is a silly score to give a functional game.

Still, 5.5 is not GOTY material.

Fix the ending and deliver on the pre-release statements and it could shoot up to a 9 easily.

its less about the score and more about where its coming from. The game burned a lot of people. It doesn't help with all the crud gamers put up with already on top of that just to play in the first place....day 1 dlc, origin, preorder "bonuses"? Ya, the camel was a paraplegic long before this last straw fell on its back.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 22 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[MerchantGOL]

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...


This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

That would be horrible, if a significant portion of the base had that problem, sounds pretty minor to me.

 IT was a wide spread problem and not absorbing dragon souls is any thing but minor.

I agree, but it is clearly not experienced as a comparably significant problem to the RGB endings.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not.

Because 100% of the fanbase experienced an ending that went against pre-release statements.

Not gonna argue the endign here  but lets say your right here. That dosen't stop metacritic from havign no credbility on account of the massive amounts of butthurt.

I agree, I don't think metacritic (pro or user scores) is an accurate representation of product value.

I do however, think that if Skyrim's bugs had an equally widespread problem base, and were handled equally as badly as BioWare has handled the ending situation, then the user score would be through the floor. Way lower the ME3's user score.

Butt Hurt Story fans are one thing. Butt Hurt Broken-gameplay fans? That's a massive step up in severity. You should expect far more 0's for that if if was a comparable problem to the ME3 ending PR debarcle.

The big diffrence, is that Bethasada was in a easy postion , make a patch that [should] work relase it in a week.

to placate their fans Bioware needs to write a new script,  recod new lines, create new scenes,psoibly make new levels.and and people are being too damn impatiaent wanting it now, and then being mad when bioware dosen't give a minute by minute update almsot as if they want it rushed as quick as possible.

Most people didn't have problems with ME3 until 40 hours in. So you can't say that's a reason for the lower Meta scores. 

But is the Reason. the Main number one reason that all the hate is about. any othe rproblems, bugs, dlc **** liek that, that would of gottne abit of reaction sure

but the volume of trollreviews on metacritic and amazon is cause purely by people buthurt about the ending.

Thats why most Fair reveiwers even if they mention the ending still gives the game a great reveiw.

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 22 mai 2012 - 06:02 .

[StElmo]

Hellbound555 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

no, mass3 is not goty-worthy. theres a reason why everyone is voting all zeros on metacritic or whatever that site is called.

Over reactions, the game deserves about 5.5/10, 0/10 is a silly score to give a functional game.

Still, 5.5 is not GOTY material.

Fix the ending and deliver on the pre-release statements and it could shoot up to a 9 easily.

its less about the score and more about where its coming from. The game burned a lot of people. It doesn't help with all the crud gamers put up with already on top of that just to play in the first place....day 1 dlc, origin, preorder "bonuses"? Ya, the camels a paraplygic long before this straw fell on it.

Oh I agree. the way this PR, Marketing and Business has been handled has been fairly appalling. You should expect reactionary results from this kind of thing.

I'm just saying, objectively, the scores are unfair. That said, I empathise with those that gave it 0/10, I just know they are being irrational.

[MerchantGOL]

Most people didn't have problems with ME3 until 40 hours in. So you can't say that's a reason for the lower Meta scores.


But is the Reason. the Main number one reason that all the hate is about. any othe rproblems, bugs, dlc **** liek that, that would of gottne abit of reaction sure

but the volume of trollreviews on metacritic and amazon is cause purely by people buthurt about the ending.

Thats why most Fair reveiwers even if they mention the ending still gives the game a great reveiw.

[GHernandez18]

Halo 4

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...


This is like if i couldn't pick up new guns in me3

That would be horrible, if a significant portion of the base had that problem, sounds pretty minor to me.

 IT was a wide spread problem and not absorbing dragon souls is any thing but minor.

I agree, but it is clearly not experienced as a comparably significant problem to the RGB endings.

Because they are butt hurt, This game in no ways deserves zeros, hell metacritic ingeneral is about as trust worthy about video games as Fox News, Peopel will troll and down grade games that offend them in any way whether they have played them or not.

Because 100% of the fanbase experienced an ending that went against pre-release statements.

Not gonna argue the endign here  but lets say your right here. That dosen't stop metacritic from havign no credbility on account of the massive amounts of butthurt.

I agree, I don't think metacritic (pro or user scores) is an accurate representation of product value.

I do however, think that if Skyrim's bugs had an equally widespread problem base, and were handled equally as badly as BioWare has handled the ending situation, then the user score would be through the floor. Way lower the ME3's user score.

Butt Hurt Story fans are one thing. Butt Hurt Broken-gameplay fans? That's a massive step up in severity. You should expect far more 0's for that if if was a comparable problem to the ME3 ending PR debarcle.

The big diffrence, is that Bethasada was in a easy postion , make a patch that [should] work relase it in a week.

to placate their fans Bioware needs to write a new script,  recod new lines, create new scenes,psoibly make new levels.and and people are being too damn impatiaent wanting it now, and then being mad when bioware dosen't give a minute by minute update almsot as if they want it rushed as quick as possible.

The big difference is also in how bethesda acts towards it's fans. It doesn't make mistakes twice and you can see that in how significantly placated fans are at a few "we are working on it" here and there on the forums.

I'll break it down:

- Bethesda do not talk to the media and to their fans as if they are all cosey buddies. Todd Howard is great about showing bethesda as "listening" but "independant" - the man treads the line between hype and reality very well since his early lessons with Oblivion and that disaster.

 - BioWare (prior to the ending), however, consistently and markedly stress the importance of fanbase, fan feedback, fan ideas, fan discussion to an absurd degree. They have had numerous years to learn and adapt from BSN, which is essentially free market research.

To say that the backlash from not so much as an occaisional "we're working on it" on the official forums, is "unfair to BioWare" is a foolish statement indeed. Because unlike Bethesda, BioWare have created that enviroment and still don't manage to even meet Bethesda's rather  managed posts on the Skyrim forums.