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[MerchantGOL]

StElmo wrote...




The big difference is also in how bethesda acts towards it's fans. It doesn't make mistakes twice and you can see that in how significantly placated fans are at a few "we are working on it" here and there on the forums.

I'll break it down:

- Bethesda do not talk to the media and to their fans as if they are all cosey buddies. Todd Howard is great about showing bethesda as "listening" but "independant" - the man treads the line between hype and reality very well since his early lessons with Oblivion and that disaster.

 - BioWare (prior to the ending), however, consistently and markedly stress the importance of fanbase, fan feedback, fan ideas, fan discussion to an absurd degree. They have had numerous years to learn and adapt from BSN, which is essentially free market research.

To say that the backlash from not so much as an occaisional "we're working on it" on the official forums, is "unfair to BioWare" is a foolish statement indeed. Because unlike Bethesda, BioWare have created that enviroment and still don't manage to even meet Bethesda's rather  managed posts on the Skyrim forums.

But thats because like i said  they have a bigger...patch to make. what are they gonna say with out more "Were listening" if they don't have any thing to share that wouldn't be a spoiler. but at the same time none of this really effect metacritic bs since BSN is just a small peice of the puzzel.

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 22 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...


Most people didn't have problems with ME3 until 40 hours in. So you can't say that's a reason for the lower Meta scores.


But is the Reason. the Main number one reason that all the hate is about. any othe rproblems, bugs, dlc **** liek that, that would of gottne abit of reaction sure

but the volume of trollreviews on metacritic and amazon is cause purely by people buthurt about the ending.

Thats why most Fair reveiwers even if they mention the ending still gives the game a great reveiw.

Yep, the ending is broadly panned by a fans of the series - my point is you would see even more significant trollreviews if the game was as broken as you say Skyrim is for the same amount of people.

Both problems arise well into the game, bugs would creating far more butthurt then a story problem ever could. Because a broken game isn't even playable, where as a story is at least playable.

[MerchantGOL]

GHernandez18 wrote...

Halo 4

ME3's only real competition imo.

[StElmo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

StElmo wrote...




The big difference is also in how bethesda acts towards it's fans. It doesn't make mistakes twice and you can see that in how significantly placated fans are at a few "we are working on it" here and there on the forums.

I'll break it down:

- Bethesda do not talk to the media and to their fans as if they are all cosey buddies. Todd Howard is great about showing bethesda as "listening" but "independant" - the man treads the line between hype and reality very well since his early lessons with Oblivion and that disaster.

 - BioWare (prior to the ending), however, consistently and markedly stress the importance of fanbase, fan feedback, fan ideas, fan discussion to an absurd degree. They have had numerous years to learn and adapt from BSN, which is essentially free market research.

To say that the backlash from not so much as an occaisional "we're working on it" on the official forums, is "unfair to BioWare" is a foolish statement indeed. Because unlike Bethesda, BioWare have created that enviroment and still don't manage to even meet Bethesda's rather  managed posts on the Skyrim forums.

But thats because like i said  they have a bigger...patch to make. what are they gonna say with out more "Were listening" if they don't have any thing to share that wouldn't be a spoiler. but at the same time none of this really effect metacritic bs since BSN is just a small peice of the puzzel.

"We're working on it"

"We hope you guys like this"

"Don't worry we are reading these sorts of posts"

Is not eactly hard for the PR department to conjure up.

And that is only able to placate Skyrim-level association to fans.

BW associated themselves WAY more the bethesda did, thus have much more to do to make up for their handling and actions.

Modifié par StElmo, 22 mai 2012 - 06:15 .

[Maderek]

Nope, far from it. There are other games that have come out and more that I'm sure will come out that actually feel like a quality title.

Mass Effect 3 is just not that good of a game, it had potential to be more, but it tripped over it's own shoelaces. And I mean that in more than just the ending, much of the game is just lazy design and poor writing, messily slopped together.

[MerchantGOL]

StElmo wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...


Most people didn't have problems with ME3 until 40 hours in. So you can't say that's a reason for the lower Meta scores.


But is the Reason. the Main number one reason that all the hate is about. any othe rproblems, bugs, dlc **** liek that, that would of gottne abit of reaction sure

but the volume of trollreviews on metacritic and amazon is cause purely by people buthurt about the ending.

Thats why most Fair reveiwers even if they mention the ending still gives the game a great reveiw.

Yep, the ending is broadly panned by a fans of the series - my point is you would see even more significant trollreviews if the game was as broken as you say Skyrim is for the same amount of people.

Both problems arise well into the game, bugs would creating far more butthurt then a story problem ever could. Because a broken game isn't even playable, where as a story is at least playable.

True. Like is aid, i don't know how Skyrim manged to skate by so unscathed, i know their trust with sony fanboys is completley shot, and allot of people are sore about it but to me it seems BW and Bethsada's postions should be switched. I mean the save probelsm and numerous glitches were publizied as well.

I'm not making my **** with skyrim up.

[Amaterasuomikami]

chris2365 wrote...

Yes. 5 minutes of meh doesn't ruin 2400 minutes of pure awsomeness

What he said.

[grimlock122]

 on a hole, its completly goty worthy

[FlamingBoy]

the game should not even be nominated

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no.

[Cyberarmy]

J.JonahJameson to the rescue!

[Chromie]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Yes. 5 minutes of meh doesn't ruin 2400 minutes of pure awsomeness

What he said.

If only it were 2400 minutes of pure awesomeness. All I played was yet another bad PC port.

[The Razman]

So far, definitely. Best game we've had this year so far.

But there's still likely a couple of games coming near the end of the year which will claim GOTY. If Rockstar bring out GTAV around October/November like people are expecting them to, that'll probably sweep the GOTY awards clean.

[fainmaca]

If we go by the gameplay mechanics, the visual design of the locations or the quality of the Voice Acting (for the most part), then yes, I think it is.

However, the story is extremely poor, those characters with such brilliant VA work are almost entirely sidelined all the time to bring in some baffling decisions in character design and casting, and the game almost entirely betrays its original premise (Choice and consequence? NO! Push a button to die.) in order to make some kind of artistic statement (its not a vision unless its been building up to it all along. Introducing the concept suddenly and then not really giving it time to be explored is nothing but a statement, and a poorly exectued one at that.). Purely because of this, it deserves not to be nominated, IMHO.

I want to be supporting Bioware all the way. They gave me my first video game (KOTOR, which by the way handled choice and consequence much more proficiently). But I think they've become a developer focused on cheap theatrics and run-and-gun gameplay rather than solid storytelling. So dissapointing.

[Jerjud45]

ME3 could be game of the year worthy depending on what else is out there. I don't follow games really so I don't know. I think that their chances improved for goty significantly when they postponed the release date to 2012, because I honestly don't think it would have stood a chance against Skyrim.

As for my own opinion, I don't really want to see it get game of the year. Although overall a decent game, it is the worst of the trilogy in my opinion and is not on my personal top 10 list of games(ME1 and 2 are at the top, however). Some of the writing was pretty awful compared to the previous 2 games, and I can't get over screw ups like the journal system, face import, Jessica Chobot, and inconsistencies with canon to name a few.

As a plus though they did improve combat from ME2, but that is really the only improvement that comes to mind. That and they made Ashley easier on the eyes.

[Maderek]

jreezy wrote...

The Razman wrote...

So far, definitely. Best game we've had this year so far.

Max Payne 3>

Hard to say, the good version isn't out yet.

[brettc893]

If Skyrim can come out to thunderous applause, then ME3 can easily win.

Winning an award and deserving an award are two very, veeeeeery different things.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

GOTY awarded by whom? I hope by critics not by themselves.

[Terror_K]

chris2365 wrote...

Yes. 5 minutes of meh doesn't ruin 2400 minutes of pure linearity, railroading, cheap substitutions, autodialogue, lies and a complete lack of choices and satisfying conclusions

Fixed.

Modifié par Terror_K, 22 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[legion999]

MerchantGOL wrote...

GHernandez18 wrote...

Halo 4

ME3's only real competition imo.

Lol no.

[Maderek]

Terror_K wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Yes. 5 minutes of meh doesn't ruin 2400 minutes of pure linearity, railroading, cheap substitutions, autodialogue, lies and a complete lack of choices and satisfying conclusions

Fixed.

Oh, don't forget the sprites, flat corpses, and hamfisted emotional appeals!

jreezy wrote...

Maderek wrote...

jreezy wrote...

The Razman wrote...

So far, definitely. Best game we've had this year so far.

Max Payne 3>

Hard to say, the good version isn't out yet.

Good old PC snobbery.

It gets me by.