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[someguy1231]

LinksOcarina wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Even if you set aside the ending, ME3 has too many problems for it to be GotY. Repetitive fetch quests, terrible journal, abundance of loading screens, increased linearity (for an RPG), abrupt introduction, characters forced on you that you might not be familiar with (Vega), a shallow villain who blatantly abuses bad writing techniques (Kai Leng), far less dialogue choices, etc.

I personally think GotY will be Halo 4 or Assassin's Creed 3. Pretty much everything I've seen from those two games is completely positive, both developers are clearly putting alot of effort into them, and their respective fans are extremely hyped.

This sums it up quite well.

choose a game thats not out yet, nice idea.

and honestly, Skyrim was a broken and bug-riddled game that won GOTY by numerous publications, so anything is possible.

Well of course I'd choose games that aren't out yet. The year isn't even half over yet and most high-profile games tend to get released in the autumn or holiday season. The only high-profile games released this year so far are ME3, Diablo 3, and possibly Max Payne 3.

As for Skyrim, I can only speak from experience but it played just fine on my 360 (PS3 had bigger issues, I know), my only complaint being the loading screens got longer as I progressed.

[DaJe]

this year? depends on what's coming
last year it wouldn't have standed a chance.

[TheRealJayDee]

Terror_K wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Yes. 5 minutes of meh doesn't ruin 2400 minutes of pure linearity, railroading, cheap substitutions, autodialogue, lies and a complete lack of choices and satisfying conclusions

Fixed.

Those are more of personal preferences and do not make a game good or bad.
for example, Uncharted 2 has most of these features you listed above, but it's still one of the best game in recent years.

Uncharted 2 isn't supposed to be an RPG with player choice a major factor, and it never claimed to be; it's an action-adventure title. Uncharted 2 also doesn't stray from the formula set by its direct predecessor, and in fact builds on it.

ME3's main weaknesses stem not so much from being a bad game, but a bad Mass Effect. Almost all the things that Mass Effect was supposed to be about was thrown down the toilet with ME3. Yes, the combat was finally perfect... but that's not what Mass Effect is supposed to be and not what I came to it for. If I want to play great TPS combat, I'll go to a pure TPS game like Gears or Space Marine. I wanted an immersive sci-fi roleplaying experience that felt personal, which ME1 was, and even ME2 brought for the most part. ME3 failed in every single area that it should have excelled at and excelled at the stuff that didn't really matter.

I support Terror_K's post(s)!

[BooPi]

Despite all the flaws, ME3 is still a Very Good game, but not GOTY material unless it turns out to be a slow year. That's a shame, because ME1 and ME2 were both easily GOTY material.

And, to be honest, a lot of what made ME3 a Very Good game didn't have anything to do with ME3 itself. It was the emotional investment and weight behind the characters that had been built up through ME1 and 2.

[The fool you should have eaten]

magnetite wrote...

For something to be called game of the year, it does not have to be absolutely perfect in every way.

As for the ending, I kind of think of it like this. ME1 was the beginning, ME2 was the middle and ME3 was the end. To say the ending was a bit off would mean the whole game was off. That's simply not true. I think a lot of people are letting their emotions affect them.

 Oh look at that this has already been addressed

"Huh. I gotta say, this time, I'm with Arcian. For those of you who say that the ending alone cannot ruin the entire game, on the contrary. It actually makes the errrors mentioned above worse. Even if you liked it, and I mean all of it, not the occasional epic, or touching scene, it was still all cheapened by the ending. Why? It's simple. The ending didn't close the story, it told the player that everything that you ever did was totally and utterly worthless. Tha's it. The end. No matter what CHOICES you made, they have no impact. Now do you like the 2400 minutes spent in this game. Because those minutes, those hours, those DAYS were spent increasing an arbitrary number. yay. now what. Everyone ever mentioned, or influenced, or saved, or whatever means absolutely nothing! The ending to a story is totally and entirely inseperable with the body. The two must coexist, and where one fails the other fails with it. The ending failed in Mass Effect 3, that is why it has no chance at being named the best of anything, unless of course EA is willing to throw even more heaps of money away, for absolutely no reason, which they would not do."
-me

We are not a bunch of emotional morons.  Our concerns are legitimate.  If you would like to differ on your opinon, fine, but I challenge you to do so after watching the video in my sig.

Modifié par The fool you should have eaten, 23 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[haand76]

Yes, it is GOTY worthy. Nearly everything about the game is great. The only games I can see beating it are Assassin's Creed III and Grand Theft Auto V (if it comes out this year).

Modifié par haand76, 24 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[Dreadcall]

haand76 wrote...

Yes, it is GOTY worthy. Nearly everything about the game is great. The only games I can see beating it are Assassin's Creed III and Grand Theft Auto V (if it comes out this year).

GW2 is coming this year. It will sweep in pretty much every GOTY award that isn't given to Diablo 3 by rabid blizzardists (that's my new invention of a word), unless something big comes out of the dark. 

ME3 is great fun on the first playthrough minus the ending. The more you play it though, the more evident it becomes how it would have needed a lot more development to be truly great.

[FaWa]

Dreadcall wrote...

haand76 wrote...

Yes, it is GOTY worthy. Nearly everything about the game is great. The only games I can see beating it are Assassin's Creed III and Grand Theft Auto V (if it comes out this year).

GW2 is coming this year. It will sweep in pretty much every GOTY award that isn't given to Diablo 3 by rabid blizzardists (that's my new invention of a word), unless something big comes out of the dark. 

ME3 is great fun on the first playthrough minus the ending. The more you play it though, the more evident it becomes how it would have needed a lot more development to be truly great.

GW2 is not sweeping anything...It'll probably be good, and will probably win a couple GOTYs, but lol@it sweeping.
I think it deserves a nomination, yes. A win is a stretch.

[Icinix]

slyguy200 wrote...

haand76 wrote...

Yes, it is GOTY worthy. Nearly everything about the game is great. The only games I can see beating it are Assassin's Creed III and Grand Theft Auto V (if it comes out this year).

Wrong, ME3 is not GOTY worthy, it failed in almost every way that the previous ME games were successful. And you left out Halo 4, it will be the GOTY.

Nah, Dishonoured will take the crown

[DaJe]

BooPi wrote...

Despite all the flaws, ME3 is still a Very Good game, but not GOTY material unless it turns out to be a slow year. That's a shame, because ME1 and ME2 were both easily GOTY material.

And, to be honest, a lot of what made ME3 a Very Good game didn't have anything to do with ME3 itself. It was the emotional investment and weight behind the characters that had been built up through ME1 and 2.

I think a lot of reviewers simply didn't realize that, but I certainly think it plays a big role.

[Terror_K]

DaJe wrote...

BooPi wrote...

Despite all the flaws, ME3 is still a Very Good game, but not GOTY material unless it turns out to be a slow year. That's a shame, because ME1 and ME2 were both easily GOTY material.

And, to be honest, a lot of what made ME3 a Very Good game didn't have anything to do with ME3 itself. It was the emotional investment and weight behind the characters that had been built up through ME1 and 2.

I think a lot of reviewers simply didn't realize that, but I certainly think it plays a big role.

The problem is, ME3 just trivialised almost all the characters in the end. It didn't matter how awesome, loved and well-written the characters were, ME3 pulled the rug out from beneath them and played them as useless and meaningless in the end. What BioWare did to the characters was an insult to them, making them seem less like characters and more like simple, shallow pawns to get the job done BioWare set them to do.

And for those who ask, "what the hell are you even talking about?!" I simply answer this: weak substitutions and cop-out solutions.

Look at Kaidan and Ashley. Rather than be independent, strong characters who actually add something to the game their reduced in just being pretty much the same as each other. They do the same things, treat Shepard the same way, have the same role in ME3. They're both even cut out of most of your playtime in the same way, reducing the need for BioWare to put any effort into differentiating them and giving them a decent amount of content. They are a classic example, but it's across the board.

Does Wrex matter? No, you just get Wreav to replace him. Does Garrus? Again, no. Mordin? Nope... we get another salarian to fill in for him. Grunt? Nope, another krogan steps up. Thane? No, Captain Kirrahe steps in if he's dead. Tali? Nope, Auntie Raan replaces her. Legion? Why, he's just there anyway, with a slightly different moniker? Miranda? Nope, her cloned sister can pretty much fill in it seems.

And the list goes on.

What ME3 taught me was that these once great characters didn't matter and weren't as unique and special as they seemed to be, because there was almost always somebody who could step in and do just as good a job as they could. ME3 reduced them from fleshed-out characters to Turian Pawn #1 and Salarian Pawn #3, etc. as well as reducing the impact of our choices that they kept claiming would pay off in satisfying ways. The only difference was, we knew these characters from before, while if they were dead we got new meat.

Modifié par Terror_K, 24 mai 2012 - 01:29 .

[Terror_K]

Dishonored is my "one to watch" this year too. If it can pull off what it's trying to do, it should be fantastic, and possibly this year's Deus Ex. I mean... it's a game where you can sneak into a building by possessing a fish in the water and swimming in through a drainpipe. It's ambitious if nothing else, which is more than can be said for ME3, which should have been ambitious, but instead seemed to be looking for the quickest doors out at every opportunity.

Modifié par Terror_K, 24 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[xconceptualx]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

magnetite wrote...

For something to be called game of the year, it does not have to be absolutely perfect in every way.

As for the ending, I kind of think of it like this. ME1 was the beginning, ME2 was the middle and ME3 was the end. To say the ending was a bit off would mean the whole game was off. That's simply not true. I think a lot of people are letting their emotions affect them.

 Oh look at that this has already been addressed

"Huh. I gotta say, this time, I'm with Arcian. For those of you who say that the ending alone cannot ruin the entire game, on the contrary. It actually makes the errrors mentioned above worse. Even if you liked it, and I mean all of it, not the occasional epic, or touching scene, it was still all cheapened by the ending. Why? It's simple. The ending didn't close the story, it told the player that everything that you ever did was totally and utterly worthless. Tha's it. The end. No matter what CHOICES you made, they have no impact. Now do you like the 2400 minutes spent in this game. Because those minutes, those hours, those DAYS were spent increasing an arbitrary number. yay. now what. Everyone ever mentioned, or influenced, or saved, or whatever means absolutely nothing! The ending to a story is totally and entirely inseperable with the body. The two must coexist, and where one fails the other fails with it. The ending failed in Mass Effect 3, that is why it has no chance at being named the best of anything, unless of course EA is willing to throw even more heaps of money away, for absolutely no reason, which they would not do."
-me

We are not a bunch of emotional morons.  Our concerns are legitimate.  If you would like to differ on your opinon, fine, but I challenge you to do so after watching the video in my sig.

That's strange, because nearly all of the choices I've made in the Mass Effect series, including Mass Effect 3, have had an impact on the game. If half my crew dies on the suicide mission, they aren't in Mass Effect 3. Have a love interest in ME1 or ME2? You see additional scenes and hear new dialogue in ME3. Side with geth? Tali kills herself. Guess what? That's your choice having an impact in the game. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of choice you make that doesn't effect the game in anyway.

[Ryzaki]

Icinix wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

haand76 wrote...

Yes, it is GOTY worthy. Nearly everything about the game is great. The only games I can see beating it are Assassin's Creed III and Grand Theft Auto V (if it comes out this year).

Wrong, ME3 is not GOTY worthy, it failed in almost every way that the previous ME games were successful. And you left out Halo 4, it will be the GOTY.

Nah, Dishonoured will take the crown

I hope it's awesome.

[sean10mm]

Hahahaha, hilarious.

This game produced the biggest game company PR disaster in recent memory. It's only GOTY from the point of view of one of Bioware's competitors laughing at how Bioware shot themselves in the foot.

More seriously, even without the bad endings the game had a lot of little flaws that were pretty annoying.

[Terror_K]

xconceptualx wrote...

That's strange, because nearly all of the choices I've made in the Mass Effect series, including Mass Effect 3, have had an impact on the game. If half my crew dies on the suicide mission, they aren't in Mass Effect 3. Have a love interest in ME1 or ME2? You see additional scenes and hear new dialogue in ME3. Side with geth? Tali kills herself. Guess what? That's your choice having an impact in the game. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of choice you make that doesn't effect the game in anyway.

But nothing really effected anything. Whenever somebody wasn't there, they were just replaced by somebody else who did exactly the same thing. The only difference was the slight flavouring of it, but you still end up going from A to B to C in pretty much the same way and the same things happen and you end up in the same place in the end. It's all meaningless. There are a few rare exceptions, such as keeping or saving Maelon's data, but most of the time we get "Rachni Queen Syndrome" across the board. Flavouring in most cases would have been acceptable if the major decisions actually made a real difference, but they didn't.

ME3 should have been about our choices mattering and having a real impact on the universe, but instead it's about BioWare giving us weak substitutions, sweeping important things under the rug, or trivialising them so that they're meaningless, because they railroad you onto the same tracks no matter what you do and there's always somebody else to step in and take a once seemingly deep character's place and trivialise themselves and that character in the process. Missions don't change, situations don't change, places don't change and the universe doesn't change. Nobody you met is special and unique, and nothing you did made a difference. It's all the same in the end, and the only place it seems to count is in a stupid number that either goes up or down.

Modifié par Terror_K, 24 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[mauro2222]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[xconceptualx]

slyguy200 wrote...

xconceptualx wrote...
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That's strange, because nearly all of the choices I've made in the Mass Effect series, including Mass Effect 3, have had an impact on the game. If half my crew dies on the suicide mission, they aren't in Mass Effect 3. Have a love interest in ME1 or ME2? You see additional scenes and hear new dialogue in ME3. Side with geth? Tali kills herself. Guess what? That's your choice having an impact in the game. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of choice you make that doesn't effect the game in anyway.

Impact on the ending of the game?

The ending is itself a choice. The only reason that Shepard even gets to that point, is because of the choices she has made thus far. Moreover, we already saw the consequences of choices made numerous times throughout the series, two of which I mentioned in the previous post. Why do those choices need to have an additional effect on the way the final events play out? That's not the way the world works. I think it's far more unrealistic that Shepard even has the benefit of three options to choose from in the end, rather than just one.

[mauro2222]

Too bad that it's a videogame and not the real world.