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[EHondaMashButton]

I'm with the OP. The speech is one of the main reasons for playing. Let Hackett say that lame speech from London over the intercom to the Alliance, and let Shep give the epic Hackett speech to the crew & non-council races.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...
But, there are certain things we don't have control over. Commander Shepard is an Alliance soldier in ME1, and is one in ME3. If your Shepard has no respect for the Alliance, why did she join up in the first place? Why didn't she throw her dog tags back at Anderson and say "sorry, I hate the Alliance. I'll get by on my Spectre status alone." Why didn't she tell Hackett to "go **** yourself?" Despite anyone's head canon, Shepard's being a soldier is central to the series. Therefore, she would have to play by the military rules...if they say jump, Shepard says "how high?"

For my Shepard, aint necessarily so. She actually has NO love for the Alliance. As an Earthborn, fighting to survive in street gangs, military service was her way out of poverty. Until she joined the milita, Earth command didn't care if she lived or died. That's why she joined up- it was nothing to do with any love for the Alliance, which is non existent.

She took the tags from Anderson because she respects Anderson. To his fave my Shepard pretends to respect Hackett. But just as Shepard never worked for Cerberus, just took their resources, do my Shepard uses Alliance resources without having respect for them.


Why does my having such disrespect for the Alliance upset so many in a way that killing Wrex doesn't?

Why the precious hurt feelings?

My Shepard wishes to shoot Hackett. She has not done so thus far merely because ofthe likelihood of him trying to arrest her. Certainly it's not because she respects him.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...
But, there are certain things we don't have control over. Commander Shepard is an Alliance soldier in ME1, and is one in ME3. If your Shepard has no respect for the Alliance, why did she join up in the first place? Why didn't she throw her dog tags back at Anderson and say "sorry, I hate the Alliance. I'll get by on my Spectre status alone." Why didn't she tell Hackett to "go **** yourself?" Despite anyone's head canon, Shepard's being a soldier is central to the series. Therefore, she would have to play by the military rules...if they say jump, Shepard says "how high?"

For my Shepard, aint necessarily so. She actually has NO love for the Alliance. As an Earthborn, fighting to survive in street gangs, military service was her way out of poverty. Until she joined the milita, Earth command didn't care if she lived or died. That's why she joined up- it was nothing to do with any love for the Alliance, which is non existent.

She took the tags from Anderson because she respects Anderson. To his fave my Shepard pretends to respect Hackett. But just as Shepard never worked for Cerberus, just took their resources, do my Shepard uses Alliance resources without having respect for them.


Why does my having such disrespect for the Alliance upset so many in a way that killing Wrex doesn't?

Why the precious hurt feelings?

My Shepard wishes to shoot Hackett. She has not done so thus far merely because ofthe likelihood of him trying to arrest her. Certainly it's not because she respects him.

Things like this kind of attitude will run into limitations and consequences. If there is any thing that I learned from being an Assistant Dungeon Master back in 2003, it is that no matter how much you may think that your character does not have to show respect and obey the law, there will always be some way for an arrogant character to be shown that he or she do not run things. Even the most charismatic and experienced characters are likely going to run out of luck (or plot-armor) at some point, and not every character will agree to follow a person who has no compunction about assassinating one of their allies.

even supposing shepard does want to kill Hackett, it would be strategically and philosophically unsound to murder a superior officer who has given him a lot of support during his career, plus it would leave the fleet with no competant admiral to coordinate the fleet action in support of the ground forces. not to mention that it would cause  scandal and chaos within the coalition fleets, because the xenos would wonder if shepard was mentally fit to serve. it would also advance the Reapers' plans because they rely on sowing discord and betrayal among their foes.

[RocketManSR2]

 He is the head of the fleet, including the Normandy. My Shepard gladly stepped aside for one of the most decorated and famous men in the Alliance navy. I felt honored to have him aboard.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 13 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[BlacJAC74]

It's called chain of command. Winston Churchill never got his hands dirty, yet he was the one that gave the speeches on behalf of the British during WW2 and it's the same throughout history. Surely everyone understands this? Shep is nothing more than the commander of one single ship.

[TheBlackBaron]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

My Shepard wishes to shoot Hackett. She has not done so thus far merely because ofthe likelihood of him trying to arrest her. Certainly it's not because she respects him.

She can "wish" to do it all she wants. Still ain't never gonna happen - unless, as we've repeatedly said, being arrested once more and executed or thrown in military prison sounds like a fun time. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 13 avril 2012 - 08:24 .

[Sbri]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

For my Shepard, aint necessarily so.

In Character~ Whether Shepard likes Hackett or not, Separd is NOT stupid.  You may hate your commanding officer, but if you wish to remain in the military, you show respect or you are court martialed.  Whatever your feelings, if you don't want to spend the war in the brig, you suck it up and cope.  You may be wishing them death every moment, but you still salute and follow orders.
Also any one who once ran with a gang knows that there is a definite hierarchy.  You don't antagonize those above you unless you are in the stronger position.  And Hackett has the support and loyalty of the "gang". Therefore, as much as you may wish to be rid of him, if you wish to be in the "gang" (in this case the Alliance), he is in charge.

OOC~ As much as we may like to say "my Shepard", s/he really is only to a point.  We may get to decide the base attitude and actions, but every Shepard has certain "givens" to them.  They are always going to do what it takes to fight the reapers, even work with terrorists.  S/he has respect for the military they work within.  S/he is a charismatic leader.  Bioware needs to have some framework to hang the character, so certain things are beyond our control  as the player.  Which is just as well, or there wouldn't have been a ME2 for a lot of us as we would have told TIM where he could shove his offer to work with him. But Shepard will always decide the reapers are more important.  Just as Shepard will always respect Anderson and Hackett.

[Biff the Understudy]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...
But, there are certain things we don't have control over. Commander Shepard is an Alliance soldier in ME1, and is one in ME3. If your Shepard has no respect for the Alliance, why did she join up in the first place? Why didn't she throw her dog tags back at Anderson and say "sorry, I hate the Alliance. I'll get by on my Spectre status alone." Why didn't she tell Hackett to "go **** yourself?" Despite anyone's head canon, Shepard's being a soldier is central to the series. Therefore, she would have to play by the military rules...if they say jump, Shepard says "how high?"

For my Shepard, aint necessarily so. She actually has NO love for the Alliance. As an Earthborn, fighting to survive in street gangs, military service was her way out of poverty. Until she joined the milita, Earth command didn't care if she lived or died. That's why she joined up- it was nothing to do with any love for the Alliance, which is non existent.

She took the tags from Anderson because she respects Anderson. To his fave my Shepard pretends to respect Hackett. But just as Shepard never worked for Cerberus, just took their resources, do my Shepard uses Alliance resources without having respect for them.


Why does my having such disrespect for the Alliance upset so many in a way that killing Wrex doesn't?

Why the precious hurt feelings?

My Shepard wishes to shoot Hackett. She has not done so thus far merely because ofthe likelihood of him trying to arrest her. Certainly it's not because she respects him.

It doesn't matter if your Shepard is some twisted wierdo who hates the military she's inexplicably dedicated her career to. You can be the most special snowflake in the galaxy and it won't matter a damn to the chain of command. You follow orders whether you like em or not. It's not a commitee. Do what Hackett says or he'll give the Normandy to someone who will (most likely Kaiden or Ashley). Try and shoot him and you'll end up in front of a firing squad.

[daigakuinsei]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Who saved the Turian Head command, bringing the Turians onboard?
Me.
Who Ended the Krogan genophage, bringing the Krogans onboard?
Me.
Who ended the war between Quarians and Geth, bringing both races onboard?
Me.
Who gained the support of the Omega Mercs?
Me.
Who gained support of the Rachni?
Me.
Who gained Asari support?
Me.
Who brought the entire galaxy together in mere weeks?
Me.


So who the living FRACK does this Admiral Hackett thinks he is to give the "Rallying Speech" to the troops before the big push?

Wouldn't the other races be like, "Who the heck is that? I'm here for Shepard!"

Admiral Hackett- the Kanye West of Mass Effect.

Hey hey cmon now...did you forget that before the final "mission"...pft please.....you get to give a craptastic motivational speech that is the worst motivational speech of all time to the grand and gallant assortment of your 6 person squad and two random soldiers?!

Screw the combined forces of the galaxy combined in one fleet on MY ship, giving a lackluster speech to EIGHT FU**ING PEOPLE is where the glory's at!



/end sarcasm

After the scene where Hackett does that my first reaction was "GO BACK TO BAD ALIEN MOVIE SEQUELS YOU HACK!!!! I WILL DESTROY YOU!!!! *Kills Hackett, makes own speech*

Fu** them, I'm a Spectre, I kill who I please, what you want!? 

I wonder if those 2 soldiers are placeholders for potential DLC squadmates...

[Gerza71]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Amberion wrote...

The speech should probably have been Shepard's to give, but Hackett has more than earned the right as well, and well, Rank Hath Its Privileges.

No, he hasn't.

He never got his hands dirty.
Never was in danger.
Never helped Shepard.

In fact, evidence points towards Hackett being the TRUE LEADER OF CERBERUS.

Go here.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/347/index/11349228

When did Hitler got his hands dirty in WW2? Look at those poor bastards at Stalingrad. Though the Germans and the Russian are no different in that theatre of war.

When did General Eisenhower got his hands dirty after winning operation overlord over Normandy in WW2.

Do you see any Prime Minsters or Presidents getting their hands dirty with the wars they course today?

I know there are differences there but they have one thing in common, they look over everything from afar.

Hackett is no different. Remember Hackett is his boss in ME (in lesser extant) and ME3. He overrules Anderson. In ME3 Shepard is the figure head for everyone to act. Shepard is well known and he is the one that killed that reaper in Mass Effect. Also he is following orders. So what Shepard is a Specter. That is only a name (in my books) but have a free will how he follow orders (without any fallout, backfire or what ever how he dose it after the result.) from his boss in ME3. Hackett. Like any other leader Hackett has the right to see his soldiers at the front line.

Like I typed earlier Shepard is the figurehead and the Normandy is the spearhead Hackett have that right to board that ship.

Shepard handed the Normandy to the Alliance and its theirs now. Like what happened in WW2 with captured planes. Its ours now.

[kmcd5722]

At OP: I mean, he is the one who is directing and commanding the entirety of the fleets that come to help. Shep may be the icon, but Hackett is the one doing all the work behind the scenes. They need to know who really is leading them. Just my two cents.

[justin_sayne1]

 Maybe someone with more knowledge of Naval History will correct me on this, but I believe what Hackett did was both according to tradition and protocol.  It may not seem right outside of a military context, but I had not problem with it.

[nocbl2]

We hardly got to make any choices in the game, and none were neutral!

[corporal doody]

Hackett is a admiral....and it seems Commander Allied Fleet.....so i guess he HAS the right

[Soccer FeverMan]

shut up holy sh*t

ps Kanye's is a boss

[tbb033]

Hackett has every right to give whatever speech he want on the Normandy. It's his ship. They're all his ships. He just lets you use it most of the time.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

There's a lot of butthurt towards the OP here... (me, heh) apparently when I state that my Shepard shows respect to Hackett to his face but plans to kick him in the nuts "after the dust settles"- ie, after the Reaper Invasion has been driven off- this raises some serious "issues" for certain individuals here.

Of course, not everyone disagreeing with my Shepard's actions is a massive butthurt troll, but pointing out that Shepard would be locked up for shooting Hackett... Well, duhhh!

My Shepard is good at three things.
1. Shooting blackmailers in the face. In fact, shooting anyone that deserves to die. Remember that puffed up ExoGeni official that drew a gun on me?
2. Throwing people across the room that annoy me. Biotic Pulling enemies into bottomless chasms FTW.
3. Tapping any ass I can get my hands on.

Do you know what you call a civilian biotic?
Watched. Plus they don't get the chance to turn their opponents into pinatas.

My Shepard, to be honest, uses the military. Alliance, Cerberus, whoever. Will she salute and be pleasant to their face to avoid incarceration? Yes, but only so she gets access to tools that are Fun.

Really don't understand the butthurt.

My best guess is that certain posters IRL are USA citizens who support the War On Terror, for whom the idea of a soldier who hates the military, only joined to escape deep poverty brought on by an affluent minority that cares nothing for the less well-off of society, pretends to respect their superior officer but would be more than willing to frag them if they annoyed them, a soldier that has no problem with their military's top brass being disintegrated, is deeply, deeply unsettling.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Besides, Shepard doesn't always salute officers.
Remember Rear Admiral Mikhaelovich?

Shepard doesn't have to salute him.
Of course Kaiden or Ashley does, like a soul crushed goon with no free will...

My Shepard doesn't run things military.
She talks to Kaiden and Ashley as an equal, not as a superior. She plays Skyllian Poker with the Engineers, flirts with everyone (except Miranda, uhhhh), is more than up to sparring with Vega (and smacking him up, because she's just that awesome).

It's a pity her superior officers can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to relate like sentient beings. Shepard can do it, and get great results.
Why can't they?

Anyway, Michaelovich annoyed me. In saving the Council, he died.

That's right, b#tch.
"Be Respectful!"
?
Be dead.

[Angry Finn]

And who was running ops accross the rest of the galaxy to buy you time to do all those thing OP?

Who is the one man to go from enlisted grunt to Admiral of the 5th fleet (read his codex page)?

And who has been watching your back with complete and unquestioning trust through the last 3 years keeping politics and the MP's off your back?

I think the man has earned a godamn speech.

~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

[ShdwPlayer]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Asset reuse. The scene of Hackett boarding the Normandy was probably slated for the beginning of the game and the inquiry/debriefing/trial that got skipped over. Rather than throw the scene away, it was reused for the end of the game because the work had already been done.

This kinda makes sense. Two MP's accompanying Hackett to "arrest" Shepard. Kinda lends credence to the trial being cut after production began

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Angry Finn wrote...
I think the man has earned a godamn speech.

~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

I respect your opinion 100%.

*thumbs up*

[Korubrus]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Besides, Shepard doesn't always salute officers.
Remember Rear Admiral Mikhaelovich?

Shepard doesn't have to salute him.
Of course Kaiden or Ashley does, like a soul crushed goon with no free will...

My Shepard doesn't run things military.
She talks to Kaiden and Ashley as an equal, not as a superior. She plays Skyllian Poker with the Engineers, flirts with everyone (except Miranda, uhhhh), is more than up to sparring with Vega (and smacking him up, because she's just that awesome).

It's a pity her superior officers can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to relate like sentient beings. Shepard can do it, and get great results.
Why can't they?

Anyway, Michaelovich annoyed me. In saving the Council, he died.

That's right, b#tch.
"Be Respectful!"
?
Be dead.

Being from a paramilitary background I found it disrespectful that Shepard doesn't salute back.

In reality if a lower rank soldier salutes a higher rank officer - the officer must salute back and hold the salute until the lower rank soldier has 'cut' his salute. Failure for a higher rank officer to return a salute is punishable as it is in the war manual and blah blah blah.

But I'm not saying Shepard should get in trouble, and should "HAVE" to salute - but being in the military for a good chunk of his life, he should feel compeled to salute and do it out of habit.

*This post has no meaning other than to point out I felt bad that my Shepard didn't salute back 
Though my Shepard didn't run thing military either, perhaps the salute could have remained.

Modifié par Korubrus, 14 avril 2012 - 07:26 .