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[Lincoln MuaDib]

m_k wrote...

OP, I agree. After becoming a Spectre and then going rogue, there's no way my Shepard would have licked the Alliance's boots.

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

I'm a Spectre- eat me, Alliance.

Can I quote this in my sign?

:OYES. Yes you can.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

This is My Earthborn, Sole Survivor FemShep's Personal Theme Song.

She hums it on the Normandy and she sang it in her quarters when she was grounded for 6 months.

Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me.

Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me.

Leave the men where they lay
They'll never see another day
Lost my soul, lost my dream
You can't take the sky from me.

I feel the black reaching out
I hear its song without a doubt
I still hear and I still see
That you can't take the sky from me.

Lost my love, lost my land
Lost the last place I could stand
There's no place I can be
Since I've found Serenity

And you can't take the sky from me.

For a Ship, SShe'll pretend to love the Alliance.

If she needs to catch those dog tags to get a ship back . . . then she'll do that.


www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Lincoln MuaDib, 22 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Either we've all come to a consensus (Synthesis FTW!) or everyone's just run out of words.

[WhiteKnyght]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Who saved the Turian Head command, bringing the Turians onboard?
Me.
Who Ended the Krogan genophage, bringing the Krogans onboard?
Me.
Who ended the war between Quarians and Geth, bringing both races onboard?
Me.
Who gained the support of the Omega Mercs?
Me.
Who gained support of the Rachni?
Me.
Who gained Asari support?
Me.
Who brought the entire galaxy together in mere weeks?
Me.


So who the living FRACK does this Admiral Hackett thinks he is to give the "Rallying Speech" to the troops before the big push?

Wouldn't the other races be like, "Who the heck is that? I'm here for Shepard!"

Admiral Hackett- the Kanye West of Mass Effect.

Who gave you the power, resources, and direction to do all that?
Hackett.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 25 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Drone223]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Who saved the Turian Head command, bringing the Turians onboard?
Me.
Who Ended the Krogan genophage, bringing the Krogans onboard?
Me.
Who ended the war between Quarians and Geth, bringing both races onboard?
Me.
Who gained the support of the Omega Mercs?
Me.
Who gained support of the Rachni?
Me.
Who gained Asari support?
Me.
Who brought the entire galaxy together in mere weeks?
Me.


So who the living FRACK does this Admiral Hackett thinks he is to give the "Rallying Speech" to the troops before the big push?

Wouldn't the other races be like, "Who the heck is that? I'm here for Shepard!"

Admiral Hackett- the Kanye West of Mass Effect.

Who gave you the power, resources, and direction to do all that?
Hackett.

/thread

[tractrpl]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Hackett was going to let you do the speech, but then realized you couldn't hack it.

I see what you did there. 

[thehomeworld]

I'm glad he gave the speech I always hated that part of the job anyway!

[Lincoln MuaDib]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
who gave you the power, resources and direction to do all that?
Hackett.

Power to go anywhere, do anything?
1. Galaxy- wide fame.
2. Spectre status.

Resources? Well I suppose Alliance funding is helpful, but why do I have to buy my own weapons and armor? That's what the funding is used for.
Also, being Spectre opens up a hell of a lot of resources. Without Spectre status, Gabby and Ken, the two best human technicians in the galaxy, remain in gaol. Hackett didn't get them out; my Spectre status did. It was also my Spectre status that allowed me to get my hands on some very awesome weaponry...

I hope you're not saying "Hackett gave you the Normandy." The Normandy was given to Shepard by Cerberus, and when my FemShep flipped TIM the bird the ship became her Spoils of War. Mine.
Shep wasn't Alliance in ME2- official records had her as dead (as Captain Bailey points out). Not obligated to give her property to persons who were not her employers.
So Shep gets her own ship back? That's hardly cause to say "Thank you so, so much!"

Direction? Well ok, he does point Shep in the right occasion from time to time, I give you that.

Still doesn't mean he has a right to Kanye my speech.

[satunnainen]

Any of you did notice that Hackett (or atleast one of his assistants) asked officially permission to come aboard before he entered Normandy. I think it has something to do about the tradition that the captain is the leader of the ship, even if there is admiral aboard.

Anyway Hackett is the fleet admiral, so the leader of atleast alliance fleet. And since the fight around crusible and all the troops assosiated were technically an alliance operation, he was leading them. He talked to the entire fleet I think. Anderson was leading the ground troops when they got that far, just like some other non-mentioned admirals were leading some other parts of the fleet.

[Izhalezan]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Who saved the Turian Head command, bringing the Turians onboard?
Me.
Who Ended the Krogan genophage, bringing the Krogans onboard?
Me.
Who ended the war between Quarians and Geth, bringing both races onboard?
Me.
Who gained the support of the Omega Mercs?
Me.
Who gained support of the Rachni?
Me.
Who gained Asari support?
Me.
Who brought the entire galaxy together in mere weeks?
Me.


So who the living FRACK does this Admiral Hackett thinks he is to give the "Rallying Speech" to the troops before the big push?

Wouldn't the other races be like, "Who the heck is that? I'm here for Shepard!"

Admiral Hackett- the Kanye West of Mass Effect.

Who gave you the power, resources, and direction to do all that?
Hackett.

Considering that Joker and EDI hijack the Normandy at the beginning, Shepard was quite capable of doing all that without his permission. With everything being what it was I highly doubt all the races would go "Oh, you didnt get reinstated, lolsorry can't join any alliance of yours."

[Sir Fluffykins]

Hackett is a member of Cerberus theory go!

[OlympusMons423]

Every time I hear his full name.. Steve Hackett...I think of a pretty damn good guitarist

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

Hackett is a member of Cerberus theory go!

Go?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/347/index/11349228

Created 12 days ago. By me, FTW!

Though many others have posted similar threads.

[MakeMineMako]

knight5923 wrote...

How come everyone keeps saying that Hackett can do what he wants because he outranks Shepard?

Shepard is a Spectre in command of the Normandy. He answers only to the Council. If he wanted to, he could pee on Hackett's shoes, slap him in the face and push him out the airlock, and no one could say word one.
Not saying that's the best option, given the circumstances ......

But Rank doesn't really enter into it. Hackett's standing on the ship of a Council Spectre, his orders don't really count for squat. That being said, Shep obviously has a great deal of respect for the Alliance command structure, and I'm assuming that's why he let Hackett take the moment of glory.

Shepard is also a reinstated Alliance Marine, commanding a Systems Alliance Navy frigate.

Which gives Hackett more than a right to make a speech from aboard the SSV Normandy. Spectre or not, Hackett is Shepard's commanding officer and highest ranked Fleet officer of Flag rank left (Anderson was a Marine, if I recall correctly. Hence, him leading the ground operations).  

[Bad King]

Hackett's speech is generic, but Shepard's would have been just as bad if not worse.

Modifié par Bad King, 25 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[drinkurmilk]

Amberion wrote...

The Normandy is an Alliance ship. All the soldiers on it are Alliance soldiers. The ship was originally slated to be Anderson's command ship, but the reaper invasion made that impossible. Admiral Hackett is the de-facto commander of the combined military forces of the GALAXY. The speech should probably have been Shepard's to give, but Hackett has more than earned the right as well, and well, Rank Hath Its Privileges.

Basically, that.

[Alexein]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Either we've all come to a consensus (Synthesis FTW!) or everyone's just run out of words.

Honestly, does this really bother you that much that you need to revive a thread after 3 days? It's a game, chill out.

Everyone plays it the way they want to, if you don't like, find another game to play. 

Modifié par Alexein, 25 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[DarxydeBluus]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

My best guess is that certain posters IRL are USA citizens who support the War On Terror, for whom the idea of a soldier who hates the military, only joined to escape deep poverty brought on by an affluent minority that cares nothing for the less well-off of society, pretends to respect their superior officer but would be more than willing to frag them if they annoyed them, a soldier that has no problem with their military's top brass being disintegrated, is deeply, deeply unsettling.

That bolded bit I do find unsettling because that, for people who live in the real world, is called murder.

Quite frankly, before reading that I was going to say that while you don't really have the ability to define "your Shepard" in-game to the degree you are here you are welcome to head canon any Shepard you want. After reading that however, that you don't find someone in the real world murdering someone else because "they annoyed them" wrong, I can only suggest that you step away from your computer and go seek help. At best, you are giving people who accuse gamers of being violent evidence to support that claim.

[Alpha-Centuri]

All this throwing around of "rights" make me realize it has no meaning anymore, atleast in the context of our everyday speech.

Right/Rights:
1. "adherence or obedience to moral and legal principles and authority. "
2. "that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc"

Is the OP seriously arguing that the Leader of the entire Alliance Forces who is the Douglas Macarthur of Mass Effect does not have the authority to give the speech to the combined fleet?

Shepard is James Doolittle (google Doolittle's raid). The commander in charge of a strike force that struck at the heart of the enemy. Very inspirational for the war effort, and a beacon of hope. He did not supercede Macarthur though.

And to the "nobody can tell me what to do"

It reminds me of "Would you kindly" from Bioshock. No matter how you roleplay Shepard:
You were forced to be a Spectre
You are forced to go to Noveria,Feros, Virmire, etc.
You are forced to Freedom's Progress
You were forced to fight the Collectors
You were forced to Horizon

the list goes on and on.

No amount of headcanon can change the fact that th e only way to not do a particular action is to either not advance the plot or stop playing. What choices are you talking about? The Alliance told you what to do, you did it. Cerberus told you what to do, you did it. They threw you a bone by having you object, yet you still do it kicking and screaming.

Your Shepard is a lot like my Shepard. How you feel about him/her is totally up to you, but acting as if you have choices in these matters is an illusion Bioware threw over our faces.

*Note: nothing said is said out of malice. Illusion of choice is not necessarily bad. Bioshock had a whole theme built around it.

*and I see that i'm 12 days late :/

[Lincoln MuaDib]

DarxydeBluus wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

My best guess is that certain posters IRL are USA citizens who support the War On Terror, for whom the idea of a soldier who hates the military, only joined to escape deep poverty brought on by an affluent minority that cares nothing for the less well-off of society, pretends to respect their superior officer but would be more than willing to frag them if they annoyed them, a soldier that has no problem with their military's top brass being disintegrated, is deeply, deeply unsettling.

That bolded bit I do find unsettling because that, for people who live in the real world, is called murder.

Quite frankly, before reading that I was going to say that while you don't really have the ability to define "your Shepard" in-game to the degree you are here you are welcome to head canon any Shepard you want. After reading that however, that you don't find someone in the real world murdering someone else because "they annoyed them" wrong, I can only suggest that you step away from your computer and go seek help. At best, you are giving people who accuse gamers of being violent evidence to support that claim.

I'm afraid you are giving people who accuse gamers of jumping to conclusions and making an outcry before gaining all the background evidence to support that claim.

Of course, expecting you to read all my posts on this topic before responding just to the latest would have taken you a VERY long time to do, so I understand why you thought it unnecessary.

Though it may have helped you not grab the wrong end of the stick.

Allow me to break it down for you, summarising as I go.

1. My Shepard has a particular backstory. She was Earthborn, and she joined the Alliance, not out of love for Humanity, but because she needed a way out of crushing poverty.
Thus, she has no specific love for the Alliance per se, or Humanity
over other species. She takes care of her crew, however. Thus it is
entirely reasonable for her to not love the Alliance, or to Adore
Hackett or human High Command.

2. Since posting this topic, as the OP I have run across many, many posters who declare that my Shepard "MUST" love Hackett, as it is impossible for Shepard not to love the Alliance, be in awe of Hackett and think the Human Council is Awesome. They have suggested I must be braindamaged not to see this.

3. The amount of vitriol I received leads me to think that there must be more to it than a simple "I don't play Shepard that way, so I don't think it's possible to play the way you do."

4. I decided that it must be hitting too hard for some; in real life, with the ongoing "War on Terror", a fair few US soldiers, I would surmise, joined the Armed Forces not out of love for America, but as a way to subsidise their College, or otherwise find a way out of poverty. Some of these soldiers don't care, intrinsically, about their superior officers.

5. By my playing a Shepard the way I do, I think it's reminded certain posters of this fact. If they can somehow persuade me that every Shepard loves the Alliance, they can feel that every US Soldier loves America. Guilt is assuaged- "They wouyldn't be there if they didn't really want to be there,", etc etc.


Most importantly-

6. I am not my Shepard.

I do not have telekinetic powers.
I am not in love with a male birdman.
I do not have blonde hair.
I have never shot anyone in the face.

Part of playing video games is that one can do things in game that they would never do in real life. So my Shepard feels like fragging superior officers (happened IRL in Vietnam, as I'm sure you're aware). Does that mean that I have killed anyone in real life?

Don't be ridiculous.

7. On The Council
Why does my Shepard have no problem with the military's top brass being vaporised?

Because their inaction, obtuseness, idiocy and red tape led to the deaths of millions. Right up until the Reapers passed Luna, they kept Shepard grounded. Only when the sky was fallig did they call on her for help.

"Oooh, what shall we doooo?"

"Well, locking me up for 6 months when we could have been planning was a pretty stupid idea."

Would you really want this group of idiots making policy for survival?

No. Hackett and Anderson- the only top brass who believed Shepard- get to work with her to repel the Reapers.

Unless the Human Council were smart enough to realise that they stuffed up every aspect of the Reapers threat and removed themselves from any authority, it was far better for the survival of the Galaxy that they be taken out.

After all, failure to act, when inaction causes the death of millions, could be considered a War Crime.

Should my Shepard care about the deaths of War Criminals?

Remember- this is how my Shepard sees it, and that's how I play it.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Alexein wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Either we've all come to a consensus (Synthesis FTW!) or everyone's just run out of words.

Honestly, does this really bother you that much that you need to revive a thread after 3 days? It's a game, chill out.

Everyone plays it the way they want to, if you don't like, find another game to play. 

I thought there was more to be said.

Since I have not been the only one to post here since its revival, it seems I was correct.

[KLF_uh_HUH_uh_HUH]

Maybe there just wasn't another vessel with a toilet on the right side of the ship?

After all, he did have to hack it out right afterwards. *b-boom tss*