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[Lincoln MuaDib]

Yeah, I know. You were thinking, hmm, well he's annoying and does a Kanye onboard the Normandy when it's time to give a speech, but, Cerberus Head?

Apologies if you haven't played ME1, a huge point is in there, but I'll get to that . . .

In ME1, Shepard talks to Hackett, but never sees him.

Hackett speaks to Shep and sends her off on mini-missions. Hackett seems very aware of such things as the Shadow Broker, but it's Admiral Kahoku who tells Shepard where to go to find Cerberus. Shortly after transmitting coordinates to Shepard, he turns up dead.

Who has those coordinates?
Shepard and Hackett.

During ME2, Alliance types try to shut Shepard down (you see this in files from Shadow Broker). Who shuts down investigations into Shepard, over and over?

Hackett.

In the last mission, "Arrival", Hackett sends Shepard off with the direction that it must be a hush-hush mission. He sends her to a place of Indoctrination.

She succeeds. But in so doing, she kills thousands of Batarians.

Now examine the opening of ME3.

Shepard- Is that why they grounded me? Took away my ship?
Anderson- You killed thousands of Batarians.
Shepard- It was that or let the Reapers walk in the back door.
Anderson- I know that. So do the Council. If it weren't for that, you'd be court-martialled and put in the brig.
Shepard- That, and your good word.

- Hey, WHAT?
ANDERSON'S good word?

Why did Hackett say nothing?
The ONE man that could say, "I sent her."
The ONE man who could have had ALL charges dropped.
Says NOTHING.

Ok, so maybe he's just an ass, but then . . .

When, in ME3, you learn more and more about EDI's past (on the Cerberus Base) it transpires that EDI's first form was as a rogue VI on Luna, Earth's Moon.

Oh, yes. My Shepard did indeed go there and fight the rogue VI.

Wait, who sent me?
Hackett.
How did Cerberus get their hands on the VI?

Apart from Shepard, who knew about the VI? In that mission, there were no human soldiers.

Only Hackett.
Yet Cerberus got their hands on it.

Who, when Shepard reaches the Beam, declares "No-one made it to the beam"- an obvious lie?

Hackett.

I'm putting all these pieces together.

Hackett.

The true Head of Cerberus.

Remember what Cerberus looks like?



That's right.

THREE heads.

And you thought TIM was the ONLY head?

Mind Blown yet?:innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:

[TheBlackBaron]

Okay, OP, which one is it? Drunk or high?

[Chala]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Okay, OP, which one is it? Drunk or high?

Both

[Hanabii]

Actually, the OP raises some good points on questioning Hacket.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Neither.

Just putting the pieces together in one possible configuration.

As Mass Effect is so full of choices, even if you don't see this, this is one possible canon.

If you disagree, I ask-

WHY did Hackett not defend Shepard at trial?
HOW did Cerberus get their hands on proto-EDI?
WHO alerted Cerberus to Kahoku?

[Lincoln MuaDib]

If your canon doesn't have this, that's your choice.

[Chala]

Then why Hackett blew up Cerberus Base?
Why he never knew what the Catalyst was? If TIM was working for him, Hackett should've known what was it before hand.
Why in hell Hackett wanted to alert the reapers about the existance of the Crusible?
Why he talks about destroy them and never control?
And why he wanted to get the IV, if it was already on his power?

[TheBlackBaron]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...
As Mass Effect is so full of choices, even if you don't see this, this is one possible canon.

Actually it's not. 

It's not "one possible canon" if contradicts literally every piece of canon info we have, and only has your inane ramblings to support it. 

[Lincoln MuaDib]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Then why Hackett blew up Cerberus Base?
Why he never knew what the Catalyst was? If TIM was working for him, Hackett should've known what was it before hand.
Why in hell Hackett wanted to alert the reapers about the existance of the Crusible?
Why he talks about destroy them and never control?
And why he wanted to get the IV, if it was already on his power?

I shall answer your questions, I hope you will extend me the same courtesy.

"Why Hackett blew up Cerberus Base?"- That was ONE Cerberus Base, TIM's base. There were others. Sacrifice one to make it look as if you're on Sghepard's side. NOT blowing it up would have tipped his hand.

"Why he never knew what the Catalyst was? If TIM was working for him, Hackett should've known what was it before hand."- Why do you think he didn't know? He was instrumental in getting the Crucible to where he knew the Catalyst would be- Earth.

"Why in hell Hackett wanted to alert the reapers about the existance of the Crusible?"- Playing both sides against the middle.

"Why he talks about destroy them and never control?"- because he pretends to be on Shepard's side- it's TIM's job to push Control. If Hackett pushes control as well- again, it would have tipped his hand.

"And why he wanted to get the IV, if it was already on his power?"- an excuse to get it taken off-planet, where it was constructed, and made mobile, without people asking why.


Now I ask you-

WHY did Hackett not defend Shepard at trial?
HOW did Cerberus get their hands on proto-EDI?
WHO alerted Cerberus to Kahoku?

[The Milky Waver]

Admiral Hacket is the head of the Alliance, so yeah, he's gonna have some intel. Admiral Kahoku turned up dead because he was captured by Cerberus and experimented on.

[lockdown51]

Nice fan theory. I can see it working.

[All-a-Mort]

What the hell has this got to do with Gameplay, Strategies and Builds? Oh yeah, nothing.

[Mirdarion]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Who, when Shepard reaches the Beam, declares "No-one made it to the beam"- an obvious lie?

He never talked to you on Earth. The one who said "Our entire force was decimated!" was Major Coates, their voices are completely different in the english VO (Coates also has a... ...I believe a british accent, I'm not good at distinguishing some accents from others) and the subtitles are naming Major Coates as well.


That might be also the reason why Admiral Hacket contacts Shepard on the citadel (some people declared that as further evidence for the indoctrination theory) as he might not be aware of what happened to Operation Hammer thanks to the interference of the Conduit.
It is mentioned that the Conduit emits distracting signals that interfere with the Thanix Missiles and the targeting systems of the fleet (that's why you need to hold the trucks for a while to let the normandy link up with the missiles to enhance their targeting precision because the fleet in orbit can't help you like the Quarians did on Rannoch). So maybe nobody sees that Shepard and Anderson survived the assault on the beam because their signals can't make it through (however that doesn't explain why Shepard can hear them talking over the radio). Once Shepard is on the citadel Hacket is able to receive her signal and supposes everything is okay until the Crucible does nothing - that's when he contacts Shepard.

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

In ME1, Shepard talks to Hackett, but never sees him.

Hackett speaks to Shep and sends her off on mini-missions. Hackett seems very aware of such things as the Shadow Broker, but it's Admiral Kahoku who tells Shepard where to go to find Cerberus. Shortly after transmitting coordinates to Shepard, he turns up dead.

Who has those coordinates?
Shepard and Hackett.

I bet some intelligence services of the alliance are aware of these co-ordinates. If they already scan normal E-Mails today they'll definitely scan other ways of transmission tomorrow. And every military has an intelligence service for inside affairs, to minimize the risks of traitors and so on. As Hacket is an Admiral of the Fleet he is among the highest officers of the Earth Systems Alliance (LOL, the acronym for that is the same as that for the European Space Agency) and definitely being watched by them.

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

When, in ME3, you learn more and more about EDI's past (on the Cerberus Base) it transpires that EDI's first form was as a rogue VI on Luna, Earth's Moon.

Oh, yes. My Shepard did indeed go there and fight the rogue VI.

Wait, who sent me?
Hackett.
How did Cerberus get their hands on the VI?

Apart from Shepard, who knew about the VI? In that mission, there were no human soldiers.

Only Hackett.
Yet Cerberus got their hands on it.

Even for Hacket as one of the highest officers in the Alliance it's not possible to send military resources (like the Normandy or her crew) on a mission without anyone knowing. Someone has to do the paperwork, looking out what the crew is doing (to make sure they just don't sit around on shore leave) and make sure the normandy is fully stocked and resupplied. That is a lot of paperwork (I read about the german military in an article, their military is more about paperwork then fighting wars, even the loss of a single glove has to be reported if a soldier wants to get a new one and even then he may have to pay for it none the less depending on the circumstances of the loss).

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

In the last mission, "Arrival", Hackett sends Shepard off with the direction that it must be a hush-hush mission. He sends her to a place of Indoctrination.

She succeeds. But in so doing, she kills thousands of Batarians.

Now examine the opening of ME3.

Shepard- Is that why they grounded me? Took away my ship?
Anderson- You killed thousands of Batarians.
Shepard- It was that or let the Reapers walk in the back door.
Anderson- I know that. So do the Council. If it weren't for that, you'd be court-martialled and put in the brig.
Shepard- That, and your good word.

- Hey, WHAT?
ANDERSON'S good word?

Why did Hackett say nothing?
The ONE man that could say, "I sent her."
The ONE man who could have had ALL charges dropped.
Says NOTHING.

Simple answer: Black Ops. If nobody officially know about this operation, nobody can do more than say good words about Shepard. If Shepard would say "Hacket send me." Hacket would deny that as he wouldn't want to be made responsible, understandably. Shepard has no proof and if the intelligence would back Hacket up she couldn't prove anything.

'tis still interesting though, how the Alliance can do anything to Shepard. She can be a Spectre at the end of Mass Effect 2 if you accepted the councils offer so she doesn't have to be part of the Alliance military. Even the answer "Shepard turned herself in." doesn't make any sense in this case as the Aliiance couldn't do anything but hand her over to the batarian Hegemony. And as the Hegemony has no diplomatic contacts with the Alliance Shepard couldn't be handed over to them as the Hegemony couldn't make a request (if you have no ambassador in a country negotiations are a bit difficult).
Even if Shepard is no Spectre and thus part of the Alliance military she still wouldn't be simply put in the brig. Using military resources for non-authorized actions and thereby killing thousands of civilians (even civilians of other nations) to delay the arrival of an enemy that officially doesn't exist would likely be charged with treason or high treason. Many countries declare those action as punishable by death today! I can't believe that Shepard would have turned herself in, not with what's at stake.

Edit: I hate reading my own posts after writing them. Well, I have the excuse that english isn't my mother language...

Modifié par Mirdarion, 13 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[therussianviking]

These are good points, but are invalidated in ME3 by all the missions Hackett sends you on to cripple cerberus. And when you assault TIM's base, Hackett sends a fleet to destroy cerberus ships. If Hackett is doing some kind of coup, he is doing it in a funny way.

[almondroy]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...


Remember what Cerberus looks like?

Ok, I'll throw myself on the grenade for the team. You cite an interesting theory regarding Hackett, we all know TIM's involvement. Who's Bachelor/ette #3 aka the third head?

[Razor_Zeng]

almondroy wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...


Remember what Cerberus looks like?

Ok, I'll throw myself on the grenade for the team. You cite an interesting theory regarding Hackett, we all know TIM's involvement. Who's Bachelor/ette #3 aka the third head?

Joker - He is always where Shep is keeping an eye on him/her - makes sense. <_<

[Zhuinden]

Interesting.

[Esoretal]

This post made me choke on my sandwich. That would be a pretty sweet WTF moment, finding out that Hackett's a Cerberus informant.

Except for all of the anti-Cerberus missions that Hackett sends you on in ME3.

I always did wonder how they got their hands on the rogue VI... but then again, Cerberus has its fingers in every pie, so having an Alliance informant is plausible. It just might not be Hackett.

Modifié par Esoretal, 13 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[zambingo]

Speaking of Major Coates (because he's the voice after the beam) ... did ANYONE ELSE laugh and wonder if there was a Private Pantes too?

But to play along with the Three Heads Thing possibility:

Head One: TIM
Head Two: Henry Lawson
Head Three: Admiral Hackett

Now yell, "BUT WHYS THEY NO KNOW THINGS? Y THEY BUTT HEADS IT SEEMS?"



It's because that's the way Cerberus operates. It's a cell based organization. Left hand doesn't always know what the right hand is doing... also the left hand might not like what the right hand is doing.

YAYS! Inconsistency Problems solved! Fan Theory affirmed as.. plausible.

Modifié par zambingo, 13 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[kalasaurus]

Look up "Manipulation Theory" on the forums. Someone suggested that maybe Hackett was indoctrinated and the Crucible was a trap.

edit: Here's a link - social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11264403

It would be an interesting twist if Hackett were somehow a villain.  We don't know that much about him, after all.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 13 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[lazuli]

You're giving the writers far too much credit.

[TheProfessor234]

I like the idea of Cerberus having three leaders. Dunno about Hackett but it's an interesting thought.

[rRNA]

I believe the trial was used to calm down the Batarians by making it look like the Alliance was doing something. Otherwise you would have had a war with them. Hackett is also the one who stalls to allow Shepard more time.

[rwilli80]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...


Now I ask you-

WHY did Hackett not defend Shepard at trial?
HOW did Cerberus get their hands on proto-EDI?
WHO alerted Cerberus to Kahoku?

• Because it was a black op and admitting to sending in Shepard would have also been admitting the Alliance had something to do with an entire Batarian system being wiped out, I am sure the Counsel and the Batarians would have had something to say, Batarians probably would have gone to war and the Counsel probably would have laid heavy sanctions on the Alliance, if not kicked humanity off the counsel and off the Cithadel.
• The same way they got their hands on the Normandy plans, they had people inside the Alliance.
• Same as number 2, Cerberus had operatives and supporters throughout the Alliance.

Yes I suppose Hackett could be a Cerberus plant, it says that there are high level Cerberus operatives, but I don't believe the writers ment that. But you're idea is a good one, it adds another layer to the mythos of Mass Effect, because you'll never know who are those operatives and supporters.