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[mr_slowpoker]

Interesting..

[1337Floctender]

So Pre-ME1 Cerberus was an alliance Black-ops group that went rogue during Saren's inserection. It's logical to assume that the top military and poitical officials of the alliance would be aware of this group, such as Hacket AND UDINA. That's right, the third head or Cerberus is likely to have been Udina, Making the group Military (Hacket) Covert (TIM) and Political (Udina).

Once TIM went rogue things got dicey for the other two, they knew much but could say little for fear of revealing themselves. It's possible Kahoku was about to expose one of them and they give TIM EDI to get the Admiral off of them.

It explains why Hacket didn't go after TIM sooner, why he always knew what was up with them, how he got hold of Shepard, and how TIM knew Udina would help on the Citadel.

[Icinix]

I used to love interesting discussions and debates about the nature of intrigue, deception etc in Mass Effect.

However, Mass Effect 3 showed me they are only interested in cheap explosions and hammy dialogue.

There is not deception in Mass Effect. There is no intrigue. There are no hidden plots.

Just epic scenes and an omni blade.

[nocbl2]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Then why Hackett blew up Cerberus Base?
Why he never knew what the Catalyst was? If TIM was working for him, Hackett should've known what was it before hand.
Why in hell Hackett wanted to alert the reapers about the existance of the Crusible?
Why he talks about destroy them and never control?
And why he wanted to get the IV, if it was already on his power?

*SPECULATION* Perhaps, near the end, he disagreed with TIM. He dealt with the shady experiments and Kahouku, but when it came to the Reapers, they may have split over what to do.

[Vastille]

I would think that if Hackett were a part of Cerberus the Reason he would attack them in ME3 was because TIM Lost his mind with his wanting to control the Reapers and Hackett wanted him stopped That or Hes power hungry and wants sole control of Cerberus

[Wowky]

I don't know I agree that he is the head of Cerberus, but I've always wondered a bit about whether he is dodgy. I don't know, something just never felt "right" with him.

[Olvaha]

 " Hackett out."
*Hackett turns from the holovid on his chair and pours a glass of champagne for him and TIM*

[shurikenmanta]

I have to admire your creative thinking.

[Seifer006]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Yeah, I know. You were thinking, hmm, well he's annoying and does a Kanye onboard the Normandy when it's time to give a speech, but, Cerberus Head?

Apologies if you haven't played ME1, a huge point is in there, but I'll get to that . . .

In ME1, Shepard talks to Hackett, but never sees him.

Hackett speaks to Shep and sends her off on mini-missions. Hackett seems very aware of such things as the Shadow Broker, but it's Admiral Kahoku who tells Shepard where to go to find Cerberus. Shortly after transmitting coordinates to Shepard, he turns up dead.

Who has those coordinates?
Shepard and Hackett.

During ME2, Alliance types try to shut Shepard down (you see this in files from Shadow Broker). Who shuts down investigations into Shepard, over and over?

Hackett.

In the last mission, "Arrival", Hackett sends Shepard off with the direction that it must be a hush-hush mission. He sends her to a place of Indoctrination.

She succeeds. But in so doing, she kills thousands of Batarians.

Now examine the opening of ME3.

Shepard- Is that why they grounded me? Took away my ship?
Anderson- You killed thousands of Batarians.
Shepard- It was that or let the Reapers walk in the back door.
Anderson- I know that. So do the Council. If it weren't for that, you'd be court-martialled and put in the brig.
Shepard- That, and your good word.

- Hey, WHAT?
ANDERSON'S good word?

Why did Hackett say nothing?
The ONE man that could say, "I sent her."
The ONE man who could have had ALL charges dropped.
Says NOTHING.

Ok, so maybe he's just an ass, but then . . .

When, in ME3, you learn more and more about EDI's past (on the Cerberus Base) it transpires that EDI's first form was as a rogue VI on Luna, Earth's Moon.

Oh, yes. My Shepard did indeed go there and fight the rogue VI.

Wait, who sent me?
Hackett.
How did Cerberus get their hands on the VI?

Apart from Shepard, who knew about the VI? In that mission, there were no human soldiers.

Only Hackett.
Yet Cerberus got their hands on it.

Who, when Shepard reaches the Beam, declares "No-one made it to the beam"- an obvious lie?

Hackett.

I'm putting all these pieces together.

Hackett.

The true Head of Cerberus.

Remember what Cerberus looks like?



That's right.

THREE heads.

And you thought TIM was the ONLY head?

Mind Blown yet?:innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:

I'll admit this is interesting. Definitely creative.
Though I doubt BW intended it.

DEFINITELY would make a twist for future ME games...

Could you imagine this scene: Prequel back to Jack Harper becoming TIM


Rise of Ceberus - we see how Admiral Hackett was in the "shadows" helping Jack Harper beocming TIM. Then towards the end of the game, we see Hackett laughing from the aftermath of the destroy/control/synthetic option

just to show all along that Admiral Hackett was all part of the plan (TDK: Joker)

Modifié par Seifer006, 25 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[mothbanquet]

It's all just about crazy enough to make sense!

[Lincoln MuaDib]

mothbanquet wrote...

It's all just about crazy enough to make sense!

Not as Crazy as SPACE MAGIC!

And not as crazy as BioWare being surprised that their ending was (for a portion of fans) rather unsatisfactory!

[richard_rider]

Not as remotely crazy as color coded space magic...

Also it would explain Cerberus' sharp rise in power and resources...

Would be fun to explore in a future installment...

[Korubrus]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

My favorite quote so far-
"Clearly you need help. No sane human would find Hacket to be annoying. He is awesome."

Isn't that the next evolutionary step up from "I am rubber, you are glue, bounces off me and sticks to you"?

In any case, I'm putting forward an idea that has plenty of plot holes.

Hell, if BioWare can have massive plot holes and call the result Artistic Integrity, I claim the same!

I is an artist, hur hur!

Nah, but seriously though. The concept is just one I'm batting around as a theory, it's not infallible.

I like it though.

I like it too

Though I'm not a fan of people shooting it down because of your theories' "plot holes". All we have is plot holes people - atleast this theory has less than the ME3 ending 

[cchudoba002]

If this was the case...they probably would have revealed it somewhere in the game. Doesn't make sense to keep a revelation that big held back considering that the trilogy is over...

[A0170]

*Slams head on desk*

Modifié par A0170, 25 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[MizterBizkits]

I like how ME has successfully spawned conspiracy theories, plural. Uusally that's reserved for movies or books in pop culture. I count this as a victory for gamers and game designers in the fight for video games being recognized as art. Woot. Also, what if the OP is the real head of Cerberus, just trying to use Hackett as a scapegoat? Eh? Eh?

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Hackett is my puppet?

If he were, he'd have shown Shepard more respect.

[MizterBizkits]

Unless SHEPARD is the real head of Cerberus!

[Smugglers Luck]

So the man who is basically "Supreme Commander" of the Alliance military, N7 Special Ops (other species included) and the strike leader for the final assault on Earth is secretly a Cerberus Leader?

Try again...

[MizterBizkits]

Maybe YOU'RE the real head of Cerberus?

[capn233]

Informative post.

I do wonder where the gameplay, strategy or builds information is. Maybe I missed that?

[Lincoln MuaDib]

capn233 wrote...

Informative post.

I do wonder where the gameplay, strategy or builds information is. Maybe I missed that?

Yeah, I posted in the wrong forum.

My f*ck-up, I'll admit to that.

[snfonseka]

almondroy wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...


Remember what Cerberus looks like?

Ok, I'll throw myself on the grenade for the team. You cite an interesting theory regarding Hackett, we all know TIM's involvement. Who's Bachelor/ette #3 aka the third head?

It's Shepard himself/ herself, like in TOTAL RECALL.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

snfonseka wrote...

almondroy wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...


Remember what Cerberus looks like?

[image of Cerberus, the three-headed dog that guarded Hades]

Ok, I'll throw myself on the grenade for the team. You cite an interesting theory regarding Hackett, we all know TIM's involvement. Who's Bachelor/ette #3 aka the third head?

It's Shepard himself/ herself, like in TOTAL RECALL.

1- Admiral Hackett.

2- Jack Harper, aka The Illusive Man

3- The AI that thinks it's Commander Shepard?

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o


After all, files found in the Cerberus base at the beginning of ME2 say "There's been too much damage" to Shepard's body and brain to resurrect; in ME3 "Shepard" ponders, "Am I really Shepard at all?"

Just a possible theory . . .

Modifié par Lincoln MuaDib, 26 avril 2012 - 09:14 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

I like the theroy , would make a great DLC for after the main plot. . . Didnt EDI and Miranda also state that they are organized into military, science and politics. . . .it would make sence if there were two other leaders