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[malikstarks2]

MingWolf wrote...

I never really noticed the left handed salutes, so I guess it never bothered me that much (despite being former military here).  What did bother me somewhat is seeing Ash jumping from an NCO to four ranks up in the officer chain.  Like, sheesh, that's quite the boost.  Not as high as Kaiden, but he was already an officer.  

The other thing that also bugged me (or at least felt strange) was how the aliens would share similar military customs and rank.  I mean, seeing the Turians saluting like the humans is a bit on the odd-ball side.

I agree, Ashley switching from NCO to CO and moving up that quickly struck me as a bit strange.

As far as Alenko, my understanding is that he switched branches from Navy to Army, so I don't really see it as him directly outranking Shepard. There has never been a codex issued on the Alliance army.

I haven't had a playthrough with Alenko yet in ME3 though so I may be missing something.

[MadCat221]

Ehrm, I thought that Commander was O5 in Navy ranks while Major was O4 in Army ranks. Shep's still the highest ranked.

O5 in Army ranks is Lt. Colonel.

Modifié par MadCat221, 14 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[tbb033]

MadCat221 wrote...

Ehrm, I thought that Commander was O5 in Navy ranks while Major was O4 in Army ranks. Shep's still the highest ranked.

O5 in Army ranks is Lt. Colonel.

That's how it should work, but the codex entry says otherwise. But it makes no sense the way the codex has it, so I think the codex is just wrong on this one.

With all the stuff in the codex, something has to be in error, and I think this is one such case.

[Han Shot First]

I don't care if you're former military.

You're not former Systems Alliance military, so your experience means zip.

You can't really say what sort of ranks or salutes (lol who cares what hand it is) will be in use in a hundred years.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

In this case your opinion on the matter means zip, because it is backed by a lack of direct experience. Because you are not current or former military, you apparently don't have much of an understanding how important military customs & courtesies are, or how deeply ingrained in military culture it is. Saluting with the right hand is never going to change. The salute (always with the right hand) is a custom that dates back thousands of years.

To be clear, I don't see this as a big issue or anything that is game breaking. It is just one of those funny blunders, like watching a movie set during the Roman Empire, and noticing that one of the extras is wearing a wrist watch. You just laugh a little, ignore it, and move on. But it is a blunder nonetheless.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[MrDizazta]

First, the Normandy is Shepard's boat. As far as I know, even if the is a higher ranking official on the vessel, whoever is in charge of the vessel is the one in charge. Also, Shepard is a goddamn N7.

[Fates end]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't care if you're former military.

You're not former Systems Alliance military, so your experience means zip.

You can't really say what sort of ranks or salutes (lol who cares what hand it is) will be in use in a hundred years.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

In this case your opinion on the matter means zip, because it is backed by a lack of direct experience. Because you are not current or former military, you apparently don't have much of an understanding how important military customs & courtesies are, or how deeply ingrained in military culture it is. Saluting with the right hand is never going to change. The salute (always with the right hand) is a custom that dates back thousands of years.

To be clear, I don't see this as a big issue or anything that is game breaking. It is just one of those funny blunders, like watching a movie set during the Roman Empire, and noticing that one of the extras is wearing a wrist watch. You just laugh a little, ignore it, and move on. But it is a blunder nonetheless.

Eh, I don't think it can be said that it's never going to change.  I'd consider it highly unlikely, but not impossible.  Especially considering in ME3, they've met other species (and other militaries).   Customs last a long time, but some don't last forever.  In ME3, the custom either changed, or the animators just didn't put too much thought into it.

[Aver88]

MrDizaztar wrote...
As far as I know, even if the is a higher ranking official on the vessel, whoever is in charge of the vessel is the one in charge.

Nope.

[InvincibleHero]

Anyone think it dcould be a game engine mistake or naimator oversight. Maybe it gets inverted from a certain angle. There are instances of it going off right. Vega in the intro saluted with his right hand.

[garf]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I salute like romans in RL. I would prefer Turians also do that ...

I like the Turians and their 15000 years of civilization. They have the most sensible way of education and politics.

Similar to the Federal system in Heinlein's Starship troopers?

Or Germany (Prussia anyway) pre 1914...

yeah great system.

/sarcasm

Modifié par garf, 14 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[garf]

Tietj wrote...

In the past 100 years or so, there have been many, many changes to our military. Just in the past few years we've allowed gay people to serve. The salute thing is such a nonissue it's almost laughable that anyone is upset by it. "But, but thousands of years of tradition..." Barbara, please. As though thousands of years of tradition has never been thrown out before.

If a member of the military is bothered by the left handed salute, I imagine their discomfort is nothing compared to the reaction of a soldier 200 years ago if they had been shown a futuristic world where women were military officers.

Have you served? Just wondering. It's not that it makes me angry. It's just immersion breaking.

however, conversely Hollywood and Video games never get **** right anyway so.. meh.

[Cyne]

Perhaps military protocol is more lax in the future, or Kaiden defers to Shep out of respect.?

[garf]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nitpicking...

Immersion breaking. The devil is in the details.

If an alien started talking about cell phones instead of Omni-tools it would be dislocating.

If a person 200 years in the future started using bleeding-edge hipster slang from the 21st century you'd  notice.

If all the males wore kilts and the women wore pants you'd notice.

We -notice- left handed salutes. oddball ranks, the fact that Shepherd is never addressed as 'captain' after she takes command of the normandy etc..

Modifié par garf, 14 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[garf]

MrDizaztar wrote...

First, the Normandy is Shepard's boat. As far as I know, even if the is a higher ranking official on the vessel, whoever is in charge of the vessel is the one in charge. Also, Shepard is a goddamn N7.

Never Never call a Ship a boat.

[Siven80]

Maybe its just me, but i dont really care.

[Eriene]

This topic is extremely silly. This is a video game set hundreds of years in the future with aliens.

Considering how many bills and laws and protests are happening because people are nitpicking for equal rights and being "politically correct", I wouldn't be surprised that sometime in the future people are going to start screaming that left-handers should have equal rights to righties when it comes to saluting. People really don't care about tradition anymore if it doesn't suit them. The ban on "Merry Christmas" is a perfect example. Times are changing.

Modifié par Eriene, 14 avril 2012 - 02:07 .

[kumquats]

Han Shot First wrote...
Saluting with the right hand is never going to change.

The Mass Effect Universe isn't 100% identical with our historical past.
So the question is, why do you think that saluting with the right hand, should be 100% identical with our military traditions?

Modifié par kumquats, 14 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[Gaurthurt]

Admiral Marius Shepard, like it

[Errationatus]

Tietj wrote...

In the past 100 years or so, there have been many,
many changes to our military. Just in the past few years we've allowed
gay people to serve.

I think you'll discover that gays have served honourably and for far longer than they've been "allowed".

The salute thing is such a nonissue it's almost
laughable that anyone is upset by it. "But, but thousands of years of
tradition..." Barbara, please. As though thousands of years of tradition
has never been thrown out before.

Traditions don't get thrown away easily by any stretch of the imagination.  That's why Christians co-opted Easter and Xmas, and why we still have Santa, the Easter Bunny and Jesus all side-by-side.

If a member of the military
is bothered by the left handed salute, I imagine their discomfort is
nothing compared to the reaction of a soldier 200 years ago if they had
been shown a futuristic world where women were military officers.

Joan of Arc springs to mind.  Unusual, but successful.  Women have led armies in the past and men followed.  Technically any queen commands her military and is the highest ranking officer they have.  So, maybe they wouldn't have been all that astonished.

As to the leftie salute, like so many unfortunate things in ME3, it was probably just a compromise between time and outright laziness.  "Who, among the peons," they wondered.  "Are even gonna notice?"

[Bravenu3]

Maybe BW is just trolling the militarists?

[Adanu]

All I got out of this is I'm military in RL so what I say goes.

YOu didn't make the game, Bioware did. Get over it.

[lonedude73]

 

[garf]

Adanu wrote...

All I got out of this is I'm military in RL so what I say goes.

YOu didn't make the game, Bioware did. Get over it.

Then you're missing the point (perhaps not of the OP I can't speak to that) of most the posts here.

[Whiteshiro]

just a statement for the OP its fiction, get over it

[garf]

Bravenu3 wrote...

Maybe BW is just trolling the militarists?

uh militarists? care to make a better word choice?