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[Rudy Lis]

garf wrote...

uh militarists? care to make a better word choice?

War nerds? (Ex)-servicemen?

[Bravenu3]

Or more mildly: people who care about military protocol. If BW is indeed trolling, it works wonderfully ;-p

Modifié par Bravenu3, 14 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[Bomma72]

Giskler wrote...

You have to keep in mind that we're talking about a fictional unified extrasolar human military organization roughly 200 years in the future. Things dont have to be exactly like they are today.

This.

[garf]

Whiteshiro wrote...

just a statement for the OP its fiction, get over it

Like ending haters should 'get over' the starchild?

I don't know how important it is to the OP, my own stance is somewhere along the lines of "so something created by a bunch of people who were probably too fat to serve, got a few details wrong. meh" But military sci fi buff like to discuss such things.

Rank structure, battle/tactical/strategic doctrine, evolution of military 'inspeak' they're interesting to some of us. and the codices give so much grist for the mill.

My biggest befuddlement is Asari military. aparantly they are ALL commandos period. How does that THAT work. Every military is a bit of 'tooth' and 'tail' (combat and support/logistics) where is the Asari 'tail' is a civilian or navy based support network? are all these commando ALSO clerks and supply officers? how does it work?

[Rudy Lis]

Bravenu3 wrote...

Or more mildly: people who care about military protocol. If BW is indeed trolling, it works wonderfully ;-p

"Adoring fan" bonus for missions from ME1 is trolling.
That's not, that's just lack of respect and, you don't believe me, but *giggle* integrity. If they create their own system, they should write new coordinate grid for it. It's quite fast and simple and took about one A4 size page with 10 font. Or more, if they care to give us back - I have no problems reading. I liked reading, otherwise I doubt I'd like Baldur's gate series, where was a ton of reading.

garf wrote...

My biggest befuddlement is Asari military. aparantly they are ALL commandos period. How does that THAT work. Every military is a bit of 'tooth' and 'tail' (combat and support/logistics) where is the Asari 'tail' is a civilian or navy based support network? are all these commando ALSO clerks and supply officers? how does it work?

Space magic.. I mean "I saw you dancing". They dance and transfer supplies.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 14 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[garf]

Bomma72 wrote...

Giskler wrote...

You have to keep in mind that we're talking about a fictional unified extrasolar human military organization roughly 200 years in the future. Things dont have to be exactly like they are today.

This.

Like the endings though it has to make sense it has to somewhate fit what has come before. Most military buffs have a least an awareness of how Lieutennant (french for 'place holder') came to be used or why a Lt. General outranks a Major General.

we understand that General, comes from the top four ranks in early Gun Powder armies. from Captain-General (overall military leader) Firemaster-General (chief artlilarist) and Quartermaster-General ( overall supply clerk)

we see some things in Mass Effect and they just don't make sense.

No biggee.  we don't expect civies to get it right anyway but...

[Rudy Lis]

garf wrote...

No biggee.  we don't expect civies to get it right anyway but...

- What Garbage!
- Well, what do you expect, they're Canadian!

[garf]

On an unrelated note I think the Germans got navy ranks right.

Lt. , CorvettenKapitan, FriggattenKapitan, etc.. all the way up to Kapitan Zur Sea.

that's the way to do a navy rank system. I imagine Turians having such a rank structure in their navy.. except again there seems in most galactic militaries to be a seamless blend between Marines/Navy where both can serve any position within the other.

Modifié par garf, 14 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[garf]

Rudy Lis wrote...


Space magic.. I mean "I saw you dancing". They dance and transfer supplies.

so the Asari dancers are the 'tail' of their military.. hmmm...

[garf]

Rudy Lis wrote...

garf wrote...

No biggee.  we don't expect civies to get it right anyway but...

- What Garbage!
- Well, what do you expect, they're Canadian!

So am I, your point?

The Loyal Edmonton Regiment was one of our Airborne units once. and In WW II they are credited with writing the book on FIBUA (Fighting in built up areas) after some casualty heavy but ulitmately sucessful battle in Italy.

Modifié par garf, 14 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[Elcor Pride]

Shepard out-ranks everyone in the galaxy at this point.

[garf]

Elcor Pride wrote...

Shepard out-ranks everyone in the galaxy at this point.

Damn straight I do. your point?

[Elcor Pride]

Han Shot First wrote...

 Saluting with the right hand is never going to change. 

Heh, maybe all the other races do it with their left hand (i.e. Asari, Turian Salarian etc) and humans just picked it up and it became normal to them now aswell. I don't really care either way but you don't know if its always going to stay the same since there is more than just the human millitary. 

[bleachorange]

Elcor Pride wrote...

Shepard out-ranks everyone in the galaxy at this point.

Yeah, he does kill Council members he doesn't like. What a Stalinist.

Modifié par bleachorange, 14 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[Elcor Pride]

garf wrote...

Elcor Pride wrote...

Shepard out-ranks everyone in the galaxy at this point.

Damn straight I do. your point?

My point is Kaiden/Ashely shouldn't be commanding the Normandy. 

[garf]

Elcor Pride wrote...

garf wrote...

Elcor Pride wrote...

Shepard out-ranks everyone in the galaxy at this point.

Damn straight I do. your point?

My point is Kaiden/Ashely shouldn't be commanding the Normandy. 

Kaiden is dull, and Ashley is frankly 'not officer material'

ideally shepherd should be ranked higher than either and in any case referred to as captain.

[Rudy Lis]

garf wrote...

On an unrelated note I think the Germans got navy ranks right.

Lt. , CorvettenKapitan, FriggattenKapitan, etc.. all the way up to Kapitan Zur Sea.

that's the way to do a navy rank system. I imagine Turians having such a rank structure in their navy.. except again there seems in most galactic militaries to be a seamless blend between Marines/Navy where both can serve any position within the other.

I think I said something about Germans earlier on other thread, but doesn't matter.

Every rank is sort of your profile - who are you and what you can do. If you see Captain, that's approximately company (or similar unit) comander. Not sure for Navy, there are too many differences, but Naval equivalent of Land Captain (there are too many varieties IRL in different countries to list them all) could be commander of small/medium sized ship with crew around 100-120 men.

I'm not very into Navy myself, but AFAIR, in small numbers Marines serves as policing unit on board of ship, they could work like part of the crew (manning turrets, for example), work as emergency parties, boarding, seacrh and seizure parties. Marine detail could be present only on relatively big ship - why you need marine on some small patrol ship with crew around 20? 1 marine guarding bridge? In large numbers Marines serves as main land force with everything related to ground warface.

What marines do in ME and how they related with Navy is not actually clear. Blending them together seems strange - universal units generally perform worse than specialized. And having Anderson, who is, apparently Naval Captain (so IRL he should be equivalent of Colonel), but former spec-ops? Doesn't fits inside my head.

garf wrote...

so the Asari dancers are the 'tail' of their military.. hmmm...

You can also call them vanguard... They have some advancing spearheads...

garf wrote...

So am I, your point?

You participated in ME3 creation? Somehow I doubt that, otherwise you wouldn't be present in this thread.
Your compatriots done shoddy job. I used South Park quote to pinch them on that.
If this will make you and any other Canadien, not involved in ME3 development, feel better, I could apologies to you. But somehow I think that's not the point. Or I'm wrong?

bleachorange wrote...

Yeah, he does kill Council members he doesn't like. What a Stalinist.

If he was one, Galaxy and Council would be much more empty. Yes, he freed enough space already, but "there is always place for improvement".

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 14 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[NCPokey]

I wondered about the rank issue myself, but assumed it was like Star Trek where Captain Kirk turned down the chance to be an admiral, but his reputation gave him authority and influence well beyond his official rank.