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[dslmc]

I would not have bought the game until they ditched EA and tried again.

[Acturas]

Yes - though I would of waited for a price drop and not preorderd the CE as soon as it was announced. For me the path is generally more important than the goal - however I was and still am greatly dissapointed with the bonkers tangent the ending went off on....

[twystedspyder]

Wonderful if obviously snarky post, Eain. This issue of false/misleading advertising is probably the biggest one of this whole "endings" debocle. Not in any monetary/legal sense, but in the sense of how far BioWare's unique fan/developer relationship has degraded recently. Is it all because of EA? I don't really know.

This obvious manipulation of the core fan base's expectations is the one thing that I truly find unforgivable. It is disgusting and insulting.

The fact that they seem to be moving away from creating unique and satisfying Role Playing Games just depresses me, but it's their company and they can produce whatever kind of product they want I suppose. I have a feeling that most the fans on the forums that defend the direction taken in ME3 aren't pen and paper RPG veterans and just can't relate to the GM/Player relationship design concept that BioWare built their company on.

And, no. I would not have preordered the N7 Edition or any edition actually if they were honest about how they were going to approach this game. I expected a brilliant merger of ME2+ME1 design philosphies and instead I got GEARS3 + FFXIII. I actually did decide to preorder this game based upon the 2011 comments from the deveolopers. This would have been a rental just to see what they did with some of the characters and plotlines. If the ending hadn't been so poorly implemented I may have eventually purchased the game for multiplayer access to try that out as well.

[Cazychel]

Eain wrote...

Yeah I remember this guy on another forum I go to, who insisted on throwing himself into an absolutely media vacuum with this game. He pre-purchased the collector's edition without knowing a damn thing about anything, utterly convinced that Bioware would deliver him the experience of a lifetime.

I think we can all fill in what happened next. But more importantly, he learned a valuable lesson: follow marketing material more closely.

Which is really a lose/lose situation, because if he had done that he would've been promised the world all the same.

Exactly. Well, at least I dodged the leaked (probably false) ending about the dark matter thing. It would have been actually soulcrushing to see that discarded for what we got. (It wasn't that bad learning afterwards, because I already knew the ending sucks.)

It wasn't a desperate news vacuum for me though, I just didn't pay attention to any news or whatsoever. And because I was busy playing ME1 and 2 at that time. ^.^

[Khayness]

I left the BSN for 6 months and blocked any media coverage on ME3 so I don't know what they promised. After following DA2 from announcement day to finish and the letdowns it caused I thought I'd better be in the dark.

I'd be way more pissed than I am now for sure, after catching up with all the advertisement PR bullcrap I just laugh in a cynical way.

[Davnort]

i wouldve rented it or bought it and quickly returned it. I had to see the trilogy end.

most likely wouldve kept it. never been a fan of a series like this

[dezpinato]

 Might have still bought it but if I knew about the microtransactions and cut content then I know I wouldn't have.

[Eain]

twystedspyder wrote...

Wonderful if obviously snarky post, Eain.

Cheers, and yeah it is. But somehow you have to wonder if we're really thought to be idiots. I mean on one hand they tell us that the fans are getting closer and answers and endings that reflect your choices. Then on the other they give Geoff Keighley their brainstorming doodles and show that they were going with a "lots of speculation for everyone" approach. Don't they expect us to connect the dots? I mean not only are they giving us evidence showing that they knew they were telling the media blatant nonsense, they also seem to believe their fans are dumb enough to never put two and two together.

It's almost as if they really believed that their fans were drones.

[Drogonion]

I can safely say that there is NO WAY I would have bought the game (the CE in my case grrr) if I had known what they had done with the ending.

Yes, the journey to the ending was great fun...but it was only a journey to an ending. The current ending now casts a large black shadow on all three Mass Effect games, and I would have preferred the first two to be untarnished by it.

I will wait for fan feedback before I purchase another Bioware RPG.

Thank god for the ME3 multiplayer. Was the best value for me in my ME3 CE purchase.

[jbajcar]

Yeaaa bunch of liars over there at Bioware. I would of bought it but used and would of just got the regular version.

With this and DA2, it's safe to say I'm going to be very cautious on any Bioware purchase. Until they've earned that trust again, it'll never be a day 1 purchase.

Modifié par jbajcar, 13 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[JELLAQTP]

I would have bought it but never at full price. And i would have waited for a very big discount.

[Jerjud45]

It's Mass Effect 3. There was never any question whether I would have bought it or not. When people were complaining that the ending sucked before my CE arrived in the mail, I figured it was just whiny nerds being whiny, so any negative feedback or "truths" would not have affected my decision to purchase it.

It's one of those things that you have to see it to believe it, like with the failure of Duke Nukem Forever. Despite all the negative feedback on Duke Nukem, I still bought it because it was Duke Nukem. And it turns out it is one of the worst fps games I have ever played.

[CronoDragoon]

Khayness wrote...

I left the BSN for 6 months and blocked any media coverage on ME3 so I don't know what they promised. After following DA2 from announcement day to finish and the letdowns it caused I thought I'd better be in the dark.

I'd be way more pissed than I am now for sure, after catching up with all the advertisement PR bullcrap I just laugh in a cynical way.

Yeah, I avoided any ME3-related news for months, even fanatically so after hearing the story had been leaked.

I still would have bought it if Bioware told me there was only one choice at the end that resulted in 3 endings, because I would have trusted it to be good. The fact that there wasn't 16 endings even after BioWare told us etc etc doesn't really bother me. If the 3 endings we got had been good I would not have cared, tbh.

[Clarence2679]

Probably not since i dont play multiplayer and would still like the best ending without mp.

[Victia]

No, i wouldnt have bought it, well maybe secondhand or after it had dropped in price but I would not have preordered the CE

[Naoe]

No. I had strong doubts after watching the trailers, If I knew they were more than my paranoia I would definitely not buy it.

[BDelacroix]

I've said many times that a given product sells on the success of the producing company's last product.  So yes, I'd probably still have bought ME3 since I liked ME2.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to snicker to myself every time I see the "we won't do an A,B,C ending" quote.

[Occulo]

MOELANDER wrote...

If I had known, that none of my decisions were gonna matter, I would have said: "Fick doch die Wand an!"

I learned a new phrase

If the developers said things like that instead of the hype... I still would've bought it. But when it drops to 40 or less USD. But I wouldn't buy it used because they were so honest.

[ArchDuck]

Unlikely. If they had spoken the truth I would have waited for reviews and then maybe rented it.

[Lyrandori]

Great post, Eain.

You know, if I was a BioWare employee looking at this thread (especially your original post obviously, Eain) I would honestly be depressed. I would feel guilt and embarrassment. Some people around wonder why Mac Walters and Casey Hudson haven't said anything yet. Well... I mean... yeah. It's pretty much because they went too far, OR... their EA overlords don't want them to say anything, OR... if they DID say "something" I'm not sure if it could be believed this time around.

On the other hand, all of this that is happening to BioWare in general (I do include the innocent employees in there, because when we say "BioWare", we point at ALL of them, even those who did NOT participate in a single one of the three ME games) is making me sad and I feel bad for them, it goes beyond "ending the trilogy like this", it has more implications. Some people refuse to hear anything related to BioWare anymore, some say they won't ever buy a single BioWare game again even if it was developed by people whom had nothing to do with ME to start with (not even Mac or Casey, even if the lead writers are different persons). Some just hate BioWare blindly now.

I, for one, do not blame "BioWare", but I do blame specific persons within BioWare who did that to Mass Effect 3, and lied to the community, the fans, many of which are hardcore fans of the franchise and the development team of the trilogy. Some people have bought material related to the games, those are the people that "BioWare" as a whole RISK losing, it's a huge risk. The worst part is that the risk in question seem to have been calculated from the start, which makes it disgusting, feels like a real physical punch to the gut, "Thanks for being a fan! Now *PUNCH!* take this and gimme your money! Thanks!".

[Mnementh2230]

I wouldn't have preordered the collector's edition, that's for sure. I'd probably pick up the normal edition for the multiplayer (because I've enjoyed that quite a bit) after a few weeks, once the price had dropped.

[aj2070]

I would have been okay if Casey Hudson wasn't trying so hard to make himself the next Cliff Blezinski. If they had not been constantly promising things they had no intention of delivering, I would not be here now.

I agree with Mnementh2230.  I sure wouldn't have purchased the collector's edition.

For the record, I am sure Cliff Blezinski did not set out to be "CliffyB", the quality of his product made that happen.  Something for Mr. Hudson to consider.

Modifié par aj2070, 13 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[BadlyBrowned]

I likely still would've bought it, but prolly a few months after release.

[JPR1964]

No, until the price dropped frantically, and probably never goes to the end, knowing it smells craphorse...

JPR out!

[twystedspyder]

Eain wrote...

twystedspyder wrote...

Wonderful if obviously snarky post, Eain.

Cheers, and yeah it is. But somehow you have to wonder if we're really thought to be idiots. I mean on one hand they tell us that the fans are getting closer and answers and endings that reflect your choices. Then on the other they give Geoff Keighley their brainstorming doodles and show that they were going with a "lots of speculation for everyone" approach. Don't they expect us to connect the dots? I mean not only are they giving us evidence showing that they knew they were telling the media blatant nonsense, they also seem to believe their fans are dumb enough to never put two and two together.

It's almost as if they really believed that their fans were drones.

I'm hesitant to assume anything definitive about the developers' intentions.  We can only react to the evidence that is presented.

Is this all a reaction to development cycle pressure from EA?  Maybe...  Probably.  

Did they have to make major sacrifices regarding the scope of their game because it just got too big and difficult for them?  Maybe, though very discouraging if true.

Did they purposefully streamline the RPG aspect in order to appeal to an even wider audience(again).  Yes, definitely.  They pretty much advertized this to everyone right before launch.  The extent of which was the greater influence, time crunch, ego or +$$$ is still just conjecture, though.

The people in charge at BioWare definitely know what their core fans want, but the question is do they really care anymore?  It seems that either the talented people at BioWare truly want to deliver the best RPG gaming experience for everyone but have to deal with the reality of modern development cycles, Corporate/PR oversight and lack of resources OR they are truly evil manipulative corporate stooges that only want our money and think that we are all idiots.

I tend to lean towards the former with some potential for self destructive Egos here and there as well.

But I'm an idealist.  I prefer to believe in the idea of talented artists vs. evil corporate overlords instead of general incompetence and over-inflated egos.