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[th3warr1or]

I enjoy, to an extent the lore and history BioWare has created for Dragon Age. 
Dwarves using swords, and speaking without scottish accents, Elves are shorter than humans, not immortal and overall are the second class citizens while Humans are the masters.

But after awhile, the novelty of the idea wears thin, and I prefer the LoTR style elves(generic high fantasy) ala Legolas and Elrond. I'm fine with the Humans(they didn't change much about it, it's still pretty much the generic fantasy human).

Basically, does anyone else prefer the LoTR elves? Naturally skilled archers, immortal, and tall and graceful creatures.

[T1l]

It's refreshing to see the Elves at the bottom of the pile, to be honest.



"Lithe, pointy eared creatures that excel at poverty".



Hilarious.

[Deathstyk85]

not really. i found this story refreshing. i mean while it is fun, it does get old to have the same "we are the elves, we live forever, and we shoot bows very well, also we are tall and none of us are overweight, because we are elves." type of story in every game. but did you look at the dalish elves? they somewhat represent that style of elf that you prefer, and the city elves are a refreshing difference.

also i didnt notice too many Scottish accents from the dwarves.

[Sloth Of Doom]

[Seifz]

Well, the Elves in Thedas used to be like Tolkien's Elves (minus the tallness) before the Humans stole their stuff.

[Deathstyk85]

Seifz wrote...

Well, the Elves in Thedas used to be like Tolkien's Elves (minus the tallness) before the Humans stole their stuff.

well before they got their asses kicked and forgot how to be immortal lol.

[Bibdy]

I think its very interesting that not only are the elves different, there is also racism amongst the elves, between 'flat-ears' and 'knive-ears'.



About damn time a fantasy story involved more variety of an entire race than just 'these are the super-happy, bright lovely kind of X, and these are the dark-skinned, live underground, always do bad things because they're a bunch of jerks kind of X'.



Look how much variety there is between humans across the world. Do you really think that there would only be maybe 2 varieties of Elf, or Dwarf, on the entire planet, too?

[th3warr1or]

Which is exactly why I don't like Thedas' Elves lol. My impression of elves ever since I could read was Tolkien's version. Badass archers, who own everyone at just about everything.

[Aldandil]

I prefer Tolkien's elves, yes. I'm not in any way disappointed in the DA setting though, and the Biodevs didn't have the 30 years of world development Tolkien had .

[71Zarathustra71]

I much prefer the downtrodden elf variety then the arrogant tossers from Tolkien.

[Solica]

No

[th3warr1or]

Bibdy wrote...

I think its very interesting that not only are the elves different, there is also racism amongst the elves, between 'flat-ears' and 'knive-ears'.

I didn't get that though, don't all elves have knife ears(pointy eared)?

[Valiant_hogers]

Those stupid elves were immortal and still lost to the humans wtf?

Realy, can't those elves fight?

[Seifz]

Valiant_hogers wrote...

Those stupid elves were immortal and still lost to the humans wtf?
Realy, can't those elves fight?

Being in contact with the humans caused their immortality to vanish.  Dunno why.

[th3warr1or]

Aldandil wrote...

I prefer Tolkien's elves, yes. I'm not in any way disappointed in the DA setting though, and the Biodevs didn't have the 30 years of world development Tolkien had .

Cheers.

[Endurium]

Yeah the whole 'quickening' story is a bit far-fetched. You are either immortal or not, you don't 'forget' how to be such as if it was a skill or spell, and association with short-lived species doesn't change your core nature. I mean, I've had lots of dogs for pets and I didn't 'quicken' to their lifespan. This game also misuses the term 'immune' when referring to the taint, so I don't put much stock in the lore and what NPCs say. Just shake my head and move on.



The DA:O elves are okay and can be interesting when they aren't bellyaching about water under the bridge. (A certain annoying Dalish NPC comes to mind.)

[th3warr1or]

Ah yes, the "immune" to the taint.. If Warden's were truly immune, they wouldn't have to go to the Deep Roads and heed the Calling.

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

I like the DA:O elves for a change, though my perpetual gripe is how elves (in both DA:O and D&D) always have to be so pint-sized. It feels jarring especially when you go for human-elven romances / relations (pardon my expressions of speciesism, but I think it's just that Tolkien's ideals of full-bodied elves who at least can look humans in the eye have grown on me). 

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 05 décembre 2009 - 07:36 .

[T1l]

Endurium wrote...

Yeah the whole 'quickening' story is a bit far-fetched. You are either immortal or not, you don't 'forget' how to be such as if it was a skill or spell, and association with short-lived species doesn't change your core nature. I mean, I've had lots of dogs for pets and I didn't 'quicken' to their lifespan. This game also misuses the term 'immune' when referring to the taint, so I don't put much stock in the lore and what NPCs say. Just shake my head and move on.

The DA:O elves are okay and can be interesting when they aren't bellyaching about water under the bridge. (A certain annoying Dalish NPC comes to mind.)

Funny you say that, actually. I had a similar moment earlier when my girlfriend was playing the game, and she paused, turned to me and said, "When Dwarfs dream, why don't they go to the Fade?". I just sat there with a blank expression on my face; and I don't think there's a good explination other than "just because".

[Seraphael]

I feel like the OP, the novelty of the traditional lofty elves brough low was interesting at first. But as soon as the novelty passed I found myself longing to play a proper elf; tall, agile and proud.



It doesn't help much that Bioware made the basic elf the least adept archer of all the races, that their (at least) male bodies are leaning backwards at an unnatural angle when standing, that their hands and fingers seem wooden and overly large and that their pointy ears (for player characters) are "nerfed".

[Deathstyk85]

T1l wrote...

Endurium wrote...

Yeah the whole 'quickening' story is a bit far-fetched. You are either immortal or not, you don't 'forget' how to be such as if it was a skill or spell, and association with short-lived species doesn't change your core nature. I mean, I've had lots of dogs for pets and I didn't 'quicken' to their lifespan. This game also misuses the term 'immune' when referring to the taint, so I don't put much stock in the lore and what NPCs say. Just shake my head and move on.

The DA:O elves are okay and can be interesting when they aren't bellyaching about water under the bridge. (A certain annoying Dalish NPC comes to mind.)

Funny you say that, actually. I had a similar moment earlier when my girlfriend was playing the game, and she paused, turned to me and said, "When Dwarfs dream, why don't they go to the Fade?". I just sat there with a blank expression on my face; and I don't think there's a good explination other than "just because".

i think its mostly because of their close contact to the lyrium, wich also prevents them from casting magical abilities. so you can pretty much say, they are lost to magic. and seeing as how the fade is this huge magical realm, it makes sense they dont go there.

[T1l]

Deathstyk85 wrote...

i think its mostly because of their close contact to the lyrium, wich also prevents them from casting magical abilities. so you can pretty much say, they are lost to magic. and seeing as how the fade is this huge magical realm, it makes sense they dont go there.

I'm derailing the thread here so I apologise; but yeah, that's what I thought too. Lyrium. Dwarfs, one can assume however, still have souls. Souls and spirits when not in a body go where? To the Fade. So... Dwarfs don't have souls? Do Dwarfs dream?

The reason my girlfriend asked this was because of a transitional loading screen "tip" that stated: "When Dwarfs dream they do not go to the Fade". Simple as that. I couldn't answer with 100% certainty, and to me, why they don't doesn't make a great deal of sense. I understand that Lyrium makes them resistant to magic; but immune to and separated from the Fade? Really?

[MartinJHolm]

Except for elves being a kind of low caste in human society I find them to be exactly the same as what they usually are.

[Seifz]

T1l wrote...

Endurium wrote...

Yeah the whole 'quickening' story is a bit far-fetched. You are either immortal or not, you don't 'forget' how to be such as if it was a skill or spell, and association with short-lived species doesn't change your core nature. I mean, I've had lots of dogs for pets and I didn't 'quicken' to their lifespan. This game also misuses the term 'immune' when referring to the taint, so I don't put much stock in the lore and what NPCs say. Just shake my head and move on.

The DA:O elves are okay and can be interesting when they aren't bellyaching about water under the bridge. (A certain annoying Dalish NPC comes to mind.)

Funny you say that, actually. I had a similar moment earlier when my girlfriend was playing the game, and she paused, turned to me and said, "When Dwarfs dream, why don't they go to the Fade?". I just sat there with a blank expression on my face; and I don't think there's a good explination other than "just because".

Dwarf dreams are the biggest puzzle for me.  They have no connection to magic, due to their exposure to lyrium and whatnot, so they don't enter the Fade when they dream.  Humans and Elves do enter the Fade, and it's the spirits of the Fade that create their dreams for them.  So, without spirits, what is a Dwarf dream?  Furthermore, how is it possible that Dwarves get the same "Gray Warden" dreams that Humans and Elves get?

This all doesn't make sense, to me!  I'm putting it on the pile with the ridiculous notion of Elven genes always being recessive when mixed with humans, as if that made any sense!

[Tianwyn]

I like both versions, but I'm glad Bioware put a more original twist on the elves in this story.