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[balance5050]

ajm317 wrote...


So he was dead, and then he wasn't.

The whole thing was ridiculous.  If the writers are willing to actually kill Shepard and then bring him back to life, they're willing to do just about anything.


Speculation.  More likely it was the Citadel's Mass Relay.


And yet, THE RING IS STILL INTACT IN THAT PHOTO.

Whether it makes sense or not, the Citadel is largely intact.  If pieces of it are still in orbit Shepard could be in one.

No, it was definetly the Crucible exploding, the view point we see in that pic is of the bottom of the platform you were standing on. watch this in 1080p and you'll see the debris from the crucible right at 7:36, click pause over and over for slowmo. The Cricible exploded, along with the tiny explosions on the arms.

The ring is still intact because the Citadel is made from an "unknown resilient material" and not brittle concrete.

http://www.youtube.c...YasPQGcc#t=450s

Modifié par balance5050, 13 avril 2012 - 09:14 .

[jijeebo]

estebanus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The Rachni are generally a peaceful race. This is made evident by the Queen herself. They were indoctrinated, hence why they started the war in the first place.

I hate that the Rachnis sole purpose was to get indoctrinated over and over again. 

The reason why the rachni easily get indoctrinated is due to their hive mind. If even one rachni queen is indoctrinated, millions, if not billions, would follow.

Yeah it sucks, stupid bugs. <_<

I still love them though. 

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


One more fault of the theory. It proves speculation with further speculation.


Who said the citadel plunged to earth? There is little to no energy required for an object to stay in orbit. It's assumed that the citadel fell to earth, adding to the impossibility of shepards survival.

It's also assumed that life support and gravity would be turned off because of damage to the citadel.

We don't know these things to be true, but what proves that there was an atmosphere and gravity are right in front of you in the breathe scene.

That all just makes I.T. more likely though. 

No it doesn't. That just means that Bioware, once again, bent the rules of physics to accomidate the story. How do you hear guns and explosions going off in space?

[rachellouise]

If someone is indoctrinated, do they have indoctrinated babies?

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


One more fault of the theory. It proves speculation with further speculation.


Who said the citadel plunged to earth? There is little to no energy required for an object to stay in orbit. It's assumed that the citadel fell to earth, adding to the impossibility of shepards survival.

It's also assumed that life support and gravity would be turned off because of damage to the citadel.

We don't know these things to be true, but what proves that there was an atmosphere and gravity are right in front of you in the breathe scene.

That all just makes I.T. more likely though. 

No it doesn't. That just means that Bioware, once again, bent the rules of physics to accomidate the story. How do you hear guns and explosions going off in space?

They wanted me to perceive what I want, I choose I.T.

[IronSabbath88]

How can you honestly not get what I'm saying?

If the Queen is indoctrinated, so is the ENTIRE pack. So if she's indoctrinated, everyone else will be aswell. Hence the Wars.

In Mass Effect 2, it is said without doubt that the Queen believes Shepard is fighting the ones who SOURED the notes of the Rachni before. Which is exactly what she speaks of in Mass Effect 1 and repeats it again in ME3 by saying the "sour note of the machines is everywhere."

They were indoctrinated. Pure and simple. Indoctrinate the Queen, indoctrinate them all. Except in the case of ME3, where they kept her normal to breed Rachni and then use those Rachni as indoctrinate soldiers.

[KevShep]

EpyonX3 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


No she doesn't mention anything about Indoctrination. You guys are making that up. The quote is, "We don't know what happened in the war, we only heard discourdence, songs of oliy shadows..." She then goes on to say that a tone from space produced sour yello notes that silenced the songs one by one. That was the end of the rachni war when they were blasted to peices.

Wrong...She says that you are fighting the ones responsable, and then she says that when the time comes her voice will join with yours in the fight.

Nope, she said was referring to the current events. She's fighting those responsible for capturing her and running experiments on them. To return the favor of releasing her, she'd help you later.

"You are not in harmony with those who seek to control us."

The conversation was about something soured the songs of our mothers in the rachni war.

It was about the rachni war and that meant it was Sovereign which means that it was about Indoctrination!

No, the war comment came as a response to Shepards inquiry about the war. The queen was an egg at the time so it doesn't know what happened and why, just that she could hear here people die. It had nothing to do with Soveriegn.

Shepard asked the question because he/she thought that the rachni would do war again and that she was saying that war was NOT there choice....indoctrination.

It's odd that you can read a line like this: "We do not know what happened in the war"

And deduce that she said: "Oh yeah they were all indoctrinated by a reaper named Sovereign who made us evil and started a war with everyone."

Replay the scene again, there are two different things going on here. When you replay it, come back here and tell me if you still feel the same way.

you have trouble seeing between the lines. They say we dont know what happend but they also say that something soured the songs of our mothers. She then says that she believes that you are fighting the ones responsible. Shepard(and you) know about indoctrination and that sovereign was behinde alot before this latest plan.

Yes something soured the songs. The mass killing of their entire race! They lost the war and were believed to be extinct. There are no hidden messages here. Like I said originally, you guys made the link up to justify your theory.

Again look at that scene once more.

She said nothing of the mass killing of her race, it was about why her people attacked. I think its you that need to go back and look at what was said and when. Your right there is nothing hidden here so why are you saying it was exo geni that the rachni are going to fight for them being resposable for souring the songs of there mothers....Exo Geni was not around in the rachni wars!

[estebanus]

jijeebo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The Rachni are generally a peaceful race. This is made evident by the Queen herself. They were indoctrinated, hence why they started the war in the first place.

I hate that the Rachnis sole purpose was to get indoctrinated over and over again. 

The reason why the rachni easily get indoctrinated is due to their hive mind. If even one rachni queen is indoctrinated, millions, if not billions, would follow.

Yeah it sucks, stupid bugs. <_<

I still love them though. 

So do I

[rachellouise]

I know she said something about needle-men

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


One more fault of the theory. It proves speculation with further speculation.


Who said the citadel plunged to earth? There is little to no energy required for an object to stay in orbit. It's assumed that the citadel fell to earth, adding to the impossibility of shepards survival.

It's also assumed that life support and gravity would be turned off because of damage to the citadel.

We don't know these things to be true, but what proves that there was an atmosphere and gravity are right in front of you in the breathe scene.

That all just makes I.T. more likely though. 

No it doesn't. That just means that Bioware, once again, bent the rules of physics to accomidate the story. How do you hear guns and explosions going off in space?

They wanted me to perceive what I want, I choose I.T.

You choosing I.T. doesn't make you right.

[yarpenthemad21]

rachellouise wrote...

6. You have stopped talking to the kid, and looked away when Anderson returns. The door was not 'closed', it's lock was red, like several malfunctioning doors.

i dont know if we talk about the same doors.
in tutorial, before first husk we can see kid which run from the corner of the balcony through closed doors (with red thing) to the room. thay we fight husk, have no ammo, kick their asses, and some reaper attacks. room is damaged. room which kid entered.
thay we have this husk in doors and scene with kid.
if they only want to give us this kid scene, why they add some illogical running kid scene also?

[ajm317]

balance5050 wrote...

No, it was definetly the Crucible exploding, the view point we see in that pic is of the bottom of the platform you were standing on. watch this in 1080p and you'll see the debris from the crucible right at 7:36, click pause over and over for slowmo. The Cricible exploded, along with the tiny explosions on the arms.

The ring is still intact because the Citadel is made from an "unknown resilient material" and not brittle concrete.

http://www.youtube.c...YasPQGcc#t=450s

Watching the video over, I'm not convinced of your interpretation.  We do see a red energy wave emenate from the crucible, but it does no immediate damage that I can see.  Aside from a few explosions NEAR (but not at) the Crucible, the explosions don't appear until we pull back.  There is no good way to tell where they come from exactly, but many occur in the arms.  I have no idea how you can tell where the debris at 7:36 comes from.

More importantly though even if we assume you are right there's a time delay between the activation of the Crucible and the explosions.  This could be enough time for Shepard to get to the ring, which by your own admission could survive.

Modifié par ajm317, 13 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


One more fault of the theory. It proves speculation with further speculation.


Who said the citadel plunged to earth? There is little to no energy required for an object to stay in orbit. It's assumed that the citadel fell to earth, adding to the impossibility of shepards survival.

It's also assumed that life support and gravity would be turned off because of damage to the citadel.

We don't know these things to be true, but what proves that there was an atmosphere and gravity are right in front of you in the breathe scene.

That all just makes I.T. more likely though. 

No it doesn't. That just means that Bioware, once again, bent the rules of physics to accomidate the story. How do you hear guns and explosions going off in space?

They wanted me to perceive what I want, I choose I.T.

You choosing I.T. doesn't make you right.

Exactly, no one is right, and yet we all are. Isn't I.T. fun!!!

[Falloutwarfare]

@rachellouise but the rachni queen does state (i think this is correct but correct me if im wrong) that during the rachni wars there was a sour yellow note in their song and also something about oily shadows that caused them to go to war...... now the yellow note could easily reference the reapers who when harbringer is controlling the collector general, the generals eyes light up yellow like a huskified chrismas tree.
As for the oily shadows where have we seen them.......... the dream sequences.

your move sir =D

[balance5050]

ajm317 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

No, it was definetly the Crucible exploding, the view point we see in that pic is of the bottom of the platform you were standing on. watch this in 1080p and you'll see the debris from the crucible right at 7:36, click pause over and over for slowmo. The Cricible exploded, along with the tiny explosions on the arms.

The ring is still intact because the Citadel is made from an "unknown resilient material" and not brittle concrete.

http://www.youtube.c...YasPQGcc#t=450s

Watching the video over, I'm not convinced of your interpretation.  We do see a red energy wave emenate from the crucible, but it does no immediate damage that I can see.  The explosions don't appear until we pull back.  There is no good way to tell where they come from exactly, but many occur in the arms.  I have no idea how you can tell where the debris at 7:36 comes from.

More importantly though even if we assume you are right there's a time delay between the activation of the Crucible and the explosions.  This could be enough time for Shepard to get to the ring, which by your own admission could survive.

Either way I'm just glad my Shep survives:O

[MadMatt910]

I have 1 massive problem with IT.

We are giving bioware a little too much credit. Now pre ME3 and DA2 I would never have dreamed of saying somethign liek that, their previous games had good gameplay, characters and plot along with some great symbolism when it was appropriate.

However, IT relies on some very clever imagery, symbolism and ideas. In ME3, we have more autodialogue than ever, we have the earth mission that is distinctly average at best and we have removed game features. We also have nulified council and rachni choices. Does it really seem that these woudl be present if the game was made so intelligently that the whole ending sequence was symbolic of indoctrination, even through cypers for optics equations on parts of the citadel structure?...

[ShepardTheHopeful]

The queen was kept prisoner so that she could breed and keep her children in line instead of insane with silence. After they were given the mothers basic hive instincts they were implanted and changed not through indoctrination but through cybernetic implants etc. The indoctrination would've helped but it probably was conflicted through the hive mind of the queen since she was left alone and to suffer, watching her children die. The children were brutally changed through cybernetic and physical and gene manipulation. That's why they shoot turrets at you and can give birth to small worker rachni to mess up your shields and day.

[The Protheans]

There are no holes in the Indoctrination Theory.
You have my sympathy and thoughts if you think otherwise, I wish you the best in life and hope you can seek closure to your problems.

[rachellouise]

yarpenthemad21 wrote...

rachellouise wrote...

6. You have stopped talking to the kid, and looked away when Anderson returns. The door was not 'closed', it's lock was red, like several malfunctioning doors.

i dont know if we talk about the same doors.
in tutorial, before first husk we can see kid which run from the corner of the balcony through closed doors (with red thing) to the room. thay we fight husk, have no ammo, kick their asses, and some reaper attacks. room is damaged. room which kid entered.
thay we have this husk in doors and scene with kid.
if they only want to give us this kid scene, why they add some illogical running kid scene also?

Yep the doors actually open, not literally closed. It is just the lock is red. Could just be a malfuntioning door



 

[EpyonX3]

KevShep wrote...

She said nothing of the mass killing of her race, it was about why her people attacked. I think its you that need to go back and look at what was said and when. Your right there is nothing hidden here so why are you saying it was exo geni that the rachni are going to fight for them being resposable for souring the songs of there mothers....Exo Geni was not around in the rachni wars!

"Their ways of perception, thinking and communications seem to be
different from that of other races, and based upon a synesthetic
perception of sound as both sound and color. Rachni communication is
geared towards frequencies beyond normal sonic range, and also makes use
of a form of mind-to-mind information transfer - telepathy.

They regard
speech and thought as forms of music, as shown by the strange metaphors
used when attempting to communicate, for example, "songs the color of
oily shadow". The speech patterns used by them in such occasions are
also unusual; "When we speak, one moves all". They refer to their manner
of communication as "singing", which soothes and nurtures their young,
and this appears to colour their entire psychology - for example, the
rachni speak of death as "the great silence", and refer to their
homeworld as the "singing planet".

The rachni ability to genetically
share knowledge across generations makes queens a vast repository of
information."

Source: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Rachni

[DrSpoonbender]

I am sorry to ask but under the I.T. theory are the Reapers defeated as a consequence of the final decision that Shepard makes in ME3?

And if so how?

Thanks.

[rachellouise]

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@rachellouise but the rachni queen does state (i think this is correct but correct me if im wrong) that during the rachni wars there was a sour yellow note in their song and also something about oily shadows that caused them to go to war...... now the yellow note could easily reference the reapers who when harbringer is controlling the collector general, the generals eyes light up yellow like a huskified chrismas tree.
As for the oily shadows where have we seen them.......... the dream sequences.

your move sir =D

It seems as though they 'see' speech. Like some people literally see sounds/music as colour, don't know what that's called.

I don't think shepard would see the same things, as he doesn't 'see'  the voices.

[EpyonX3]

EpyonX3 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

She said nothing of the mass killing of her race, it was about why her people attacked. I think its you that need to go back and look at what was said and when. Your right there is nothing hidden here so why are you saying it was exo geni that the rachni are going to fight for them being resposable for souring the songs of there mothers....Exo Geni was not around in the rachni wars!

"Their ways of perception, thinking and communications seem to be
different from that of other races, and based upon a synesthetic
perception of sound as both sound and color. Rachni communication is
geared towards frequencies beyond normal sonic range, and also makes use
of a form of mind-to-mind information transfer - telepathy.

They regard
speech and thought as forms of music, as shown by the strange metaphors
used when attempting to communicate, for example, "songs the color of
oily shadow". The speech patterns used by them in such occasions are
also unusual; "When we speak, one moves all". They refer to their manner
of communication as "singing", which soothes and nurtures their young,
and this appears to colour their entire psychology - for example, the
rachni speak of death as "the great silence", and refer to their
homeworld as the "singing planet".

The rachni ability to genetically
share knowledge across generations makes queens a vast repository of
information."

Source: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Rachni

To expand on this, the Queen says she doesn't know what happened in the war. She was an egg. The knowledge transfer didn't happen or at least not enough info was given to her as she grew. Therefore, knowledge of reapers or indoctrination would not have been in her memory, making it impossible for her to blame reapers for the war.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


One more fault of the theory. It proves speculation with further speculation.


Who said the citadel plunged to earth? There is little to no energy required for an object to stay in orbit. It's assumed that the citadel fell to earth, adding to the impossibility of shepards survival.

It's also assumed that life support and gravity would be turned off because of damage to the citadel.

We don't know these things to be true, but what proves that there was an atmosphere and gravity are right in front of you in the breathe scene.

That all just makes I.T. more likely though. 

No it doesn't. That just means that Bioware, once again, bent the rules of physics to accomidate the story. How do you hear guns and explosions going off in space?

They wanted me to perceive what I want, I choose I.T.

You choosing I.T. doesn't make you right.

choosing IT based off evidence (that reamin true to the ME world).... or denying IT because a video game doesnt conform to "real-life" physics..... hmmm.

[jijeebo]

yarpenthemad21 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

yarpenthemad21 wrote...

1. hackett calling shep after opening citadel arms. how hackett know that shepard is alive, is in control room?
2. why harbinger fly away?
3. why devs adds tree brenches to after beam scene? they made map, then after beam they add trees for what reason? rushed? but rushed content mostly mean that something havent been added or deleted from copied content.
4. breathing shepard in stone rubble in only one ending.
5. why shepard in synthesis and controll ending turn into husk like thing?
6. kid in the first mission on earth. why anderson didnt notice him, why he run through closed door and in final scene where he seems to be invisible to soldiers and ppl around.
its beginning of the game. not the "rushed" part. this part of game have only two versions (with kaidan and with ashley), its even part of the demo. its should be polished and ideal. so why this kid, one of the main characters of this part is that strange or "bad made"?

I'm sorry but all of those can be attributed to bad writing and lack of polish. The only exception is number 4, which is because Shepard gets disintegrated in the other two endings so he can't wake up. I can only think they did this so Control isn't the obvious "best" ending for everyone.

number 6
lack of polish in first 10 minutes of the game? its tutorial. we dont have choices here. all this map is fixed tunnel. 
so if they screw this first 10 minutes, how they manage to make other quests ?

i have some expierience in game dev. rushed and bad done content looks differnent. you dont add scenes/dialogs/etc which dont fit and which are unique and not copied from other because its a lot of work. you dont have time for this.
rushed content is lack of scenes. if something is copied from other scene is a matter of not deleting of some not feating things.
there a several of "added" content that dont fit. breath scene is one example. turning to husk with tims eyes is second, starchild made of 3 voices if third, bleeding scene after tim death in another.
normandy scene could be just bad writing. they dont have time to script all versions of you LI, crew and party in final part. they made it simple.

I saw a different version of the last scene on earth where Shep and Anderson run to the Normandy, and it was on a par with the quality we got, so it's possible that they did the same with the child and re-did the duct scene. I do think that at the end they made that moment strictly between the child and Shepard, thats why neither of them interact with anybody else. Plus in all the panic and chaos it's possible that the handful of people that were there were just too preoccupied to notice the kid in the first place

they are money strange parts in me3 but they have explanation. we all know that shepard in scenes are soldier, thats why he is so lame and shoot with this stupid predator all the time. making 6 different scenes for all possible classes would be just to hard do make. how you want to make scene with kai leng in citadel with vanguard shepard? instead of running away shepard should just charge, use shotgun and gather the corpse of this idiot.
this is needed compromise. but ending looks just strange.

ME3 would have been 100% more badass if cutscene Shepard was a vanguard.