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[NM_Che56]

cdancidhe wrote...

I believed on the IT but thought BioWare was going to reveal it once everyone had time to finish the game. I believe there were some statements from BW saying they wanted to wait for players to finish the game before making comments. So I waited and waited and nothing.

If IT was true would have been on BW best interest to reveal it, so people would hold to the games. Really disappointed on the lack of explanation from BW. All they release is PR stuff that does not tell anything.


My 2 cents.

The timing of the reveal or the delay, rather, does not invalidate the theory.  It just calls into question BW's judgement on how they deployed it.

[Random Internet Person]

I don't like this theory because it is reading into things way too much. These conspiracy theorists pick and choose what parts of the story fit their conclusion and try to impose it on everyone else. Try to have a discussion without telling people how to think, theorists. You accuse Bioware of talking down to their fans when you're doing the same thing.

Look at the way the newer Bioware games have been trending compared to the old ones. People loved to play the eld games over and over, not the new ones. They got big, and it's all about business. They are designed to be fun for a few months, then bore you so you pick up the newest EA game.

[rachellouise]

Master Che wrote...

rachellouise wrote...

KevShep wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

You mean prove a negative? Umm if somebody sees the face of Jesus in their mash potatoes does that mean there's a god? How could I prove there isn't?

That's IT theory. It's people seeing what they want to see. Every hole in the theory is easily glossed over by people saying it's "indoctrination"...it's like a dream. It doesn't have to make total sense.

Basically IT theory makes a basic assumption...Shepard is being indoctrinated...which cannot be proven.

There is a reason that BioWare wanted "speculations from Everyone". They wanted to see who all can figure it out.

Like Ive said...please tell me how come you can hear shepards voice (its wispered) repeating everything the catalyst is saying but shepards lips are not moving? You have to hear it with headphones for it to work and the reason is that you have to listen with one  headphone at a time to hear left femshep and right maleshep.

why would male shepard hear femshep's voice?  They probably chose those three because they were different pitches etc, and played together they can make the kid sound 'other worldly'.

To cover both bases regardless if you picked male or female shep?

I didn't understand what the other guy was saying xd, so I'll answer your response. ^-^

They know what sex you're playing as. Why not one or the other,or couple it with liara/garrus etc.   In the same world it would be impossible for  shepard to hear the voices of both male+and female shepard.

That's why I think it is just  that these two voices worked together, so they used them to make the kid sound other worldly/mystical (or space magic-y)

Modifié par rachellouise, 13 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[NM_Che56]

Random Internet Person wrote...

I don't like this theory because it is reading into things way too much. These conspiracy theorists pick and choose what parts of the story fit their conclusion and try to impose it on everyone else. Try to have a discussion without telling people how to think, theorists. You accuse Bioware of talking down to their fans when you're doing the same thing.

Look at the way the newer Bioware games have been trending compared to the old ones. People loved to play the eld games over and over, not the new ones. They got big, and it's all about business. They are designed to be fun for a few months, then bore you so you pick up the newest EA game.

What specific parts of IT do not fit?  What parts of IT do not make sense?

I personally don't see the problem with reading into things.  I like mystery and intrigue.

[KevShep]

Random Internet Person wrote...

I don't like this theory because it is reading into things way too much. These conspiracy theorists pick and choose what parts of the story fit their conclusion and try to impose it on everyone else. Try to have a discussion without telling people how to think, theorists. You accuse Bioware of talking down to their fans when you're doing the same thing.

Look at the way the newer Bioware games have been trending compared to the old ones. People loved to play the eld games over and over, not the new ones. They got big, and it's all about business. They are designed to be fun for a few months, then bore you so you pick up the newest EA game.

"Speculations from everyone"-Bioware.

This is proof that cant be argued and that is that you can hear shepards own voice mimicking the catalyst voice as if he/she is repeating it all like a good little puppet. Its hard to hear but you have to hear it with headphones on and only have one in at a time to hear it.

[Galifreya]

Dead_Meat357 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Dead_Meat357 wrote...

crappyjazzy wrote...

I think it's an interesting and imaginative theory.

It makes sense of the nonsense at the end of the game. That's why people like it. They want things to make sense. Much of the indoctrination theory's evidence is pretty hard to refute in the current context of the game, but some of what's presented is really pretty lame and a bit of a stretch. While I think the theory has a few holes it does have fewer holes than the endings themselves have. Which is interesting by itself.

Honestly Indoctrination is the only thing that can save the ending in my opinion. The ending is so bad and full of deus ex machina that it needs to be thrown out entirely. The indoctrination theory basically gives them a blank check to say this all represents Shepard's struggle against it, and then throw it all out and write a good ending. That's what I think they should do but BioWare is too proud to admit they were wrong and that they wrote a ****ty ending.

For financial and time reasons I can see why this may not appeal to them, in which case I'd say save it for Mass Effect 4.

Without debating the reasons why people like it or discussing the disatisfaction with the current ending, were there any holes you cared to expound on?

The main one I haven't been able to prove myself is the whole left channel -female Shepard's voice and right channel - Male Shepard's voice for the Catalyst. This one sounded like it was reaching a bit. I've never heard anyone concretely say this was actually true. I know the video by Acavyos or whatever his name is says it, but that's the first I heard of it. I haven't wanted to go back through the ending, but the videos I've seen online don't seem to hold true. I've tried adjusting the sound to kill one channel or the other and it still never did sound like Female or Male Shepard's voice. In fact it sounded exactly like the kid ihe air duct, but digitally altered to have that metallic tone to it.

Other supposed evidence concerning the Catalyst's facial expressions etc. also don't seem to be true. I also never got that we had our dead squad mate in the rubble on Earth before walking into the beam. There are pictures of lixelated garbage from either low end PC's or console versions and it never seemed to have any accuracy whatsoever. Basically the main stuff I refute is the tiny visual queues that are more like Jesus sightings in pancakes than actual evidence of anything.

I can conretely say that this is actually true. I've heard it. It's there. I can hear it WITHOUT headphones, I can hear it even better WITH headphones. It is three voices combined to make one. And the child DOES smile when you pick control or synthesis. He disappears when you shoot the tubes. Look closely, listen closely. It's there.

I'm not in any way saying this is evidence in support of IT. All I'm saying is that it is an actual fact that Jennifer Hale, Mark Meer, and the boy voice actor all recorded the same lines for the Catalyst. This is irrefutably true. I play the violin (very well), so I'd like to think I've got a pretty good ear. Voices and music are kind of my thing.

And your squadmates are only dead on the streets of London if you brought an unprepared Shepard to the fight. This is also true. It's extremely sad, but it's true. Though why anyone would WANT to bring an unprepared Shepard to the final conflict is beyond me.

Modifié par Gallifreya, 13 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[eddieoctane]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

Many, many people (myself included) feel like our choices did not matter to begin with. The resurection fo the Rachni queen, everything being reduced to EMS score, large increase in auto-dialog. We already feel like there is little/no choice, making the ending meaningless as well fits the established pattern.

And ever hear of Aura's Wrath? People thought the ending was written for a sequel, but Capcom is simply going to release an ending DLC at a later date. Incomplete games are officially a thing. There is now a precedent to assume that ME3 was intentionally released unfinished.

[Silver-Gryphon]

Master Che wrote...

Astrogenesis wrote...

cdancidhe wrote...

I believed on the IT but thought BioWare was going to reveal it once everyone had time to finish the game. I believe there were some statements from BW saying they wanted to wait for players to finish the game before making comments. So I waited and waited and nothing.

If IT was true would have been on BW best interest to reveal it, so people would hold to the games. Really disappointed on the lack of explanation from BW. All they release is PR stuff that does not tell anything.


My 2 cents.

Even if IT was bioware's original plan, they will never reveal it now.

Why?

Because, if the come out and say that the ending was in Shep's head, then that would mean that the game would pick up right it the end of the final push, meaning that the REAL ending was not in the game.
FANS RAGE, BIOWARE DIES!
Now they could hold back info on th extended cut and then reveal that IT is true and give us an awsome REAL ending and most people will be OK with it.

I'd be curious to know how many ME3 owners have access to XBOX Live or PSN (i'm assuming if you use a computer then Origin access is a given...it's a COMPUTER).  If a good number of people don't access DLC because they can't (i.e. no internet), then I think it would be nuclear death if they go with IT in the DLC. 

HOWEVER, if the majority of players DO access those networks, then I think it won't blow up in their face too much.  And it's free!

Ofc the other option they could go with is to release a stand alone expansion pack wiith a physical disc.  I'm not sold on the idea and I personally hink they wont go with IT.  My reasoning is thta after all this time it would look like they used IT as a get out of jail free card that the fans provided.  They COULD say it was their plan all along but there will still be the element of doubt.

I am ambivilent about the idea of IT I dont really believe but i don't really disbelieve either ;-)

[KevShep]

Gallifreya wrote...

I can conretely say that this is actually true. I've heard it. It's there. I can hear it WITHOUT headphones, I can hear it even better WITH headphones. It is three voices combined to make one. And the child DOES smile when you pick control or synthesis. He disappears when you shoot the tubes. Look closely, listen closely. It's there.

I'm not in any way saying this is evidence in support of IT. All I'm saying is that it is an actual fact that Jennifer Hale, Mark Meer, and the boy voice actor all recorded the same lines for the Catalyst. This is irrefutably true. I play the violin (very well), so I'd like to think I've got a pretty good ear. Voices and music are kind of my thing.

And your squadmates are only dead on the streets of London if you brought an unprepared Shepard to the fight. This is also true. It's extremely sad, but it's true. Though why anyone would WANT to bring an unprepared Shepard to the final conflict is beyond me.

Finally, someone else that has heard it! 

All these people bash the IT but its right there in front of there face and they will not go and hear it for themselves!

[OdanUrr]

Gallifreya wrote...

And the child DOES smile when you pick control or synthesis.

No, he doesn't.<_<

[NM_Che56]

eddieoctane wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

Many, many people (myself included) feel like our choices did not matter to begin with. The resurection fo the Rachni queen, everything being reduced to EMS score, large increase in auto-dialog. We already feel like there is little/no choice, making the ending meaningless as well fits the established pattern.

And ever hear of Aura's Wrath? People thought the ending was written for a sequel, but Capcom is simply going to release an ending DLC at a later date. Incomplete games are officially a thing. There is now a precedent to assume that ME3 was intentionally released unfinished.

Lack of choice does not address the theory or exploits flaws with it's logic

[KevShep]

OdanUrr wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

And the child DOES smile when you pick control or synthesis.

No, he doesn't.<_<

Anyone notice that you(shepard) will burn up like you do in the last dream. That last dream is a wanrning to the player to not give into the catalyst "suggestion" which lead to indoctrination.

[pfellahX]

cdancidhe wrote...

I believed on the IT but thought BioWare was going to reveal it once everyone had time to finish the game. I believe there were some statements from BW saying they wanted to wait for players to finish the game before making comments. So I waited and waited and nothing.

If IT was true would have been on BW best interest to reveal it, so people would hold to the games. Really disappointed on the lack of explanation from BW. All they release is PR stuff that does not tell anything.


My 2 cents.

That's my current sticking point with I.T. as well. I honestly do believe the hooks are in there for something more ambitious -- the in-game "proof" looks plausible to me, and it does fit with the lore. But from a business/PR standpoint, you get the feeling that if they had another card in the deck, they would've played it by now. Waiting a few weeks until all geographies get the game or even waiting for PAX so you can do a big reveal make SOME sense. Waiting 3-5 months while outraged fans rip you a new one and even publications outside the gaming industry are slapping you around... it hardly seems like it's worth it.

[TheTrueObelus]

Master Che wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

You mean prove a negative? Umm if somebody sees the face of Jesus in their mash potatoes does that mean there's a god? How could I prove there isn't?

That's IT theory. It's people seeing what they want to see. Every hole in the theory is easily glossed over by people saying it's "indoctrination"...it's like a dream. It doesn't have to make total sense.

Basically IT theory makes a basic assumption...Shepard is being indoctrinated...which cannot be proven.

IT theory does not involve Jesus or mashed potatoes. 

Please select a key element of the theory.

I repeat...in simpler terms...

IT theory assumes Shepard is being indoctrinated...which can neither be proven nor disproven with the information given us in the ending. It is neither confirmed nor denied ingame. So you go ahead and see what you want to see. 

Regardless it's still a crappy ending.

Finally Bioware all but admitted at PAX that the IT theory wasn't the ending they intended but simply the invention of clever fans. They weren't willing to dismiss it though because...well it makes them look smarter than they were.

Modifié par TheTrueObelus, 13 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[Bill Casey]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

"Shepard dying or being indoctrinated means the Reapers automatically win" is a fallacy...

[tetsutsuru]

Astrogenesis wrote...

cdancidhe wrote...

I believed on the IT but thought BioWare was going to reveal it once everyone had time to finish the game. I believe there were some statements from BW saying they wanted to wait for players to finish the game before making comments. So I waited and waited and nothing.

If IT was true would have been on BW best interest to reveal it, so people would hold to the games. Really disappointed on the lack of explanation from BW. All they release is PR stuff that does not tell anything.


My 2 cents.

Even if IT was bioware's original plan, they will never reveal it now.

Why?

Because, if the come out and say that the ending was in Shep's head, then that would mean that the game would pick up right it the end of the final push, meaning that the REAL ending was not in the game.
FANS RAGE, BIOWARE DIES!
Now they could hold back info on th extended cut and then reveal that IT is true and give us an awsome REAL ending and most people will be OK with it.

Let's pretend Indoctrination Theory is their plan.  So what if "the REAL ending was not in the game"?  ME3 DLCs are still "ME3".  The closing scenes of Return of the Jedi are the celebrations on Endor, Coruscant, and a number of other planets/cities, but THAT wasn't the end of the Empire.  There were still major engagements after the destruction of Death Star II.

The Suicide Mission wasn't the end of ME2.  So really, what is the big deal if the "story" isn't finished in the "core game" of ME3?

[NM_Che56]

pfellahX wrote...

cdancidhe wrote...

I believed on the IT but thought BioWare was going to reveal it once everyone had time to finish the game. I believe there were some statements from BW saying they wanted to wait for players to finish the game before making comments. So I waited and waited and nothing.

If IT was true would have been on BW best interest to reveal it, so people would hold to the games. Really disappointed on the lack of explanation from BW. All they release is PR stuff that does not tell anything.


My 2 cents.

That's my current sticking point with I.T. as well. I honestly do believe the hooks are in there for something more ambitious -- the in-game "proof" looks plausible to me, and it does fit with the lore. But from a business/PR standpoint, you get the feeling that if they had another card in the deck, they would've played it by now. Waiting a few weeks until all geographies get the game or even waiting for PAX so you can do a big reveal make SOME sense. Waiting 3-5 months while outraged fans rip you a new one and even publications outside the gaming industry are slapping you around... it hardly seems like it's worth it.

You'd have to look at the numbers to see how big of an impact this is taking (beyond BSN). 

I DO think that they planned on releasing bits and pieces of ending clarification content with each DLC.  Like putting together a puzzle.  But enough people were squawking and it forced them to put it all into ONE DLC.

I seriously believe this.

[TheTrueObelus]

Bill Casey wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

"Shepard dying or being indoctrinated means the Reapers automatically win" is a fallacy...

Who cares. You lost. You're dead. You can't affect the end any more. 

[Bill Casey]

Random Internet Person wrote...

I don't like this theory because it is reading into things way too much. These conspiracy theorists pick and choose what parts of the story fit their conclusion and try to impose it on everyone else. Try to have a discussion without telling people how to think, theorists. You accuse Bioware of talking down to their fans when you're doing the same thing.

ART INTERPRETATION IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY...
Saying it's a conspiracy theory is stupid...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[NM_Che56]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Master Che wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

You mean prove a negative? Umm if somebody sees the face of Jesus in their mash potatoes does that mean there's a god? How could I prove there isn't?

That's IT theory. It's people seeing what they want to see. Every hole in the theory is easily glossed over by people saying it's "indoctrination"...it's like a dream. It doesn't have to make total sense.

Basically IT theory makes a basic assumption...Shepard is being indoctrinated...which cannot be proven.

IT theory does not involve Jesus or mashed potatoes. 

Please select a key element of the theory.

I repeat...in simpler terms...

IT theory assumes Shepard is being indoctrinated...which can neither be proven nor disproven with the information given us in the ending. It is neither confirmed nor denied ingame. So you go ahead and see what you want to see. 

Regardless it's still a crappy ending.

Finally Bioware all but admitted at PAX that the IT theory wasn't the ending they intended but simply the invention of clever fans. They weren't willing to dismiss it though because...well it makes them look smarter than they were.

That's the thing with theories: By definition, you cannot prove them to be true.  You can only prove them to be false.  That's a reality.  That's science.  I promise.  Once you prove them, they are fact. 

I wasn't at PAX.  Do you have a quote from an article or vid to share?

[KevShep]

Bill Casey wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

"Shepard dying or being indoctrinated means the Reapers automatically win" is a fallacy...

No its not, BioWare has said that there will be an Eiplogue (final chapter) after the cut scenes explaining what the current ending was about.

[NM_Che56]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

"Shepard dying or being indoctrinated means the Reapers automatically win" is a fallacy...

Who cares. You lost. You're dead. You can't affect the end any more. 

Who was breathing in the end with the N7 dog tag if not shepard...remember that Liara gave Shep his dog tags in his cabin. She found them...

[Bill Casey]

KevShep wrote...

No its not, BioWare has said that there will be an Eiplogue (final chapter) after the cut scenes explaining what the current ending was about.

Yeah... And?
Shepard is already dead in most of the endings...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[KevShep]

Master Che wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Master Che wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

You mean prove a negative? Umm if somebody sees the face of Jesus in their mash potatoes does that mean there's a god? How could I prove there isn't?

That's IT theory. It's people seeing what they want to see. Every hole in the theory is easily glossed over by people saying it's "indoctrination"...it's like a dream. It doesn't have to make total sense.

Basically IT theory makes a basic assumption...Shepard is being indoctrinated...which cannot be proven.

IT theory does not involve Jesus or mashed potatoes. 

Please select a key element of the theory.

I repeat...in simpler terms...

IT theory assumes Shepard is being indoctrinated...which can neither be proven nor disproven with the information given us in the ending. It is neither confirmed nor denied ingame. So you go ahead and see what you want to see. 

Regardless it's still a crappy ending.

Finally Bioware all but admitted at PAX that the IT theory wasn't the ending they intended but simply the invention of clever fans. They weren't willing to dismiss it though because...well it makes them look smarter than they were.

That's the thing with theories: By definition, you cannot prove them to be true.  You can only prove them to be false.  That's a reality.  That's science.  I promise.  Once you prove them, they are fact. 

I wasn't at PAX.  Do you have a quote from an article or vid to share?

There are alot of things that point to IT but the biggest PROOF and yes I said proof is the one about shepard's voice with the catalyst! THAT is actuall proof!

[tetsutsuru]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Main issue with IT...you have less choice than the crappy ending that Bioware actually wrote.

Lets break down the ending choices.

With "control" or "synthesis" you are indoctrinated. You dont wake up. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick "destroy" and you escape indoctrination but you die (because of low war assets). Nothing is resolved. Reapers win. Everyone dies. Everything you did up till that point was completely meaningless. Game over.

You pick destroy and escape being indoctrinated and wake up (because you have enough war assets). But that means you didn't actually witness the end of the game...you still have to defeat the Reapers. So this would also mean they gave us a totally unfinished game. This is beyond lame.

So basically the only way to win and the only choices that mattered were the few that gave you the "perfect" destroy ending. Having only one choice basically means you have no choice.

"Shepard dying or being indoctrinated means the Reapers automatically win" is a fallacy...

Who cares. You lost. You're dead. You can't affect the end any more. 

Exactly.  This is akin to having Morinth as your Romantic Interest in ME2.  It results in a Critical Mission Failure.  Control and Synthesis choices are essentially Critical Mission Failures.  But instead of a CMF screen and Saren's Theme playing in the background, CGI or even slides showing the Reapers' victory would be nice.  Kind of like endings in Fallout reveal the fates of people and places based on your actions and decisions.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 13 avril 2012 - 05:30 .