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[cruc1al]

ItsRed wrote...

Felhand wrote...

This crap is why I like my valiant, I will put all three shots in the face.

Damn your Valiant. I'm stuck with the Widow. Which next to the Black Widow and Valiant, is completely useless in Gold.

Not really. The reload trick speeds up your fire rate considerably, and widow does substantially higher damage allowing you to often just aim for the body even without cloak

Modifié par cruc1al, 14 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[Kittstalkur]

ItsRed wrote...

Damn your Valiant. I'm stuck with the Widow. Which next to the Black Widow and Valiant, is completely useless in Gold.

Mantis X, Barrel V, Piercing V, Salarian Infiltrator. Takes out Marauders/Centurions/Rocket Troopers in ED/body shot just fine, and it's nice and light.

[a ViciousFerret]

This is why I use Black Widow.

(Until I can get my hands on the Valiant of course. Damn you resurgence packs.)

[TOMMOEX]

Wow thanks for posting this, I did not know of this and found it very interesting. 
I can definitely see why this was implemented and its useful to know it affects shotguns too.

[Currylaksa]

This article missed an important point: how shield gate causes sniper rifles like Valiant/BW to outclass the rest.

[ItsRed]

Currylaksa wrote...

This article missed an important point: how shield gate causes sniper rifles like Valiant/BW to outclass the rest.

Yeah... 

[x-president]

It's possible to 1 hit on gold with power melee on enemies with a full shield. I don't know if it's a class specific thing or they patched it, but I was able to do it on a Nemsis on gold.

I'll continue testing and post any results. I'm using a Batarian Sentinel build setup for pure melee.

[ItsRed]

x-president wrote...

It's possible to 1 hit on gold with power melee on enemies with a full shield. I don't know if it's a class specific thing or they patched it, but I was able to do it on a Nemsis on gold.

I'll continue testing and post any results. I'm using a Batarian Sentinel build setup for pure melee.

Melee Attacks do not suffer from the Shield Gate effect. It is only applied to bullets.

[x-president]

ItsRed wrote...

x-president wrote...

It's possible to 1 hit on gold with power melee on enemies with a full shield. I don't know if it's a class specific thing or they patched it, but I was able to do it on a Nemsis on gold.

I'll continue testing and post any results. I'm using a Batarian Sentinel build setup for pure melee.

Melee Attacks do not suffer from the Shield Gate effect. It is only applied to bullets.

Yea it's pretty cool.  I just wonder which character can have the strongest melee.  Unless there is a cap, then it probably wouldn't matter.  Imo I think the Batarian Sentinel seems to be harder hitting then the Krogan Sentinel.  But I've never had a Krogan melee build.

[Radwar]

Stenun wrote...

Blue Froman wrote...
It keeps from every player choosing an infiltrator class, just one shotting every enemy, thus removing any sort of strategy or skill to complete any wave. God forbid we need to use teamwork to work around the shield gate

But the 100% Shield Gate on Gold means that hardly anyone takes snipers on Gold.  They've nerfed an entire class of weapons just because they don't want you to be able to one shot a Centurion.  Um, why?
Even the most powerful of sniper won't be able to one shot an Atlas or a Prime even without the Shield Gate but I fail to see it's necessity for enemies like a Centurion  or a Hunter.

Lol, are you kidding me? Infiltrator is one the most popular classes on gold and I'd say only a few of them use shotguns instead of sniper rifles. In the last game I played, there were 3 Inf, and all of them used sniper rifles. The BW doesn't care about Shield Gate.

[PaperAlien]

Shield Gate is pathetic. They seriously thought it would balance automatic weapons and snipers/pistols? It might have worked in a different game but here in Mass Effect, you also have abilities that drain shields, like ED, which means that snipers cans till work regardless, and also tilts the balance of the classes towards ones with such abilities. Meanwhile, it also gives people even more reason to use semi-auto snipers (BW, Valiant) over single shot ones (Javelin, Widow) apart from just being more lenient on mistakes. The damage modifier system in ME2 was enough, they didn't need to replace it, especially not with such a crappy mechanism.

[ItsRed]

PaperAlien wrote...

Shield Gate is pathetic. They seriously thought it would balance automatic weapons and snipers/pistols? It might have worked in a different game but here in Mass Effect, you also have abilities that drain shields, like ED, which means that snipers cans till work regardless, and also tilts the balance of the classes towards ones with such abilities. Meanwhile, it also gives people even more reason to use semi-auto snipers (BW, Valiant) over single shot ones (Javelin, Widow) apart from just being more lenient on mistakes. The damage modifier system in ME2 was enough, they didn't need to replace it, especially not with such a crappy mechanism.

They had good intentions, just bad methods. I do certainly agree that the Shield Gate system is a little too basic, in that it just cuts of X amount of damage. However if they got rid of this system the sniper rifle would become completely overpowered and require some kind of ridiculously harsh Nerf, that would no doubt be worse than Shield Gating. At least the Shield Gate is applied to all bullet projectiles and isn't unique to the Sniper. 
Sniper Rifles are still used on 40% of the players I see, so the Shield Gate doesn't scare anyone away. Mostly because abilities like Overload or Energy Drain work around the Shield Gate so well.

[PaperAlien]

I know.

[T1l]

Fascinating. I love knowing exactly how things work. Thank you for the original post.

[peddroelm]

how regular shoguns (katana, scimitar, eviscerator, disciple, claymore, wraith) work with the shield gate

Each of the 8 pellets is dealt with separately - at most 1 pellet damage is wasted due shield gate ...

Shotguns and Shield gate

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test Shotgun shield gate insanity marauder Scimitar V


0 shield HP  || body shot vs health


1800 - 1226.0576 = 573.9424 (/8 = 71.7428 damage per pellet) 

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1 shield hp  || body shot

1800 - 1297.8004 = 502.1996 (71.7428 * 7 = 502.1996)  {one pellet stopped by the

shield gate}

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75 HP shield  | | body shot

1800 - 1369.5432 = 430.4568 (71.7428 * 6 = 430.4568) {1 pellet does normal damage to shield, 2-on pellet gets wasted on shield gate , rest 6 damage health}

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[CyRaK MJ0LNIR]

What Shields? Say hi to my little Widow!

[shnellegaming]

I don't mind the Shield gate itself, I mind the 100% on Gold of the Shield Gate. I take health damage when my shields go down the enemies should too. I wouldn't mind if the shield gate was 90% damage but 100% is just ludicrous. What's the point of having head shot damage buffs, lining up head shots and getting good at doing head shots if all that is just negated?

[RaptorSolutions]

shnellegaming wrote...

I don't mind the Shield gate itself, I mind the 100% on Gold of the Shield Gate. I take health damage when my shields go down the enemies should too. I wouldn't mind if the shield gate was 90% damage but 100% is just ludicrous. What's the point of having head shot damage buffs, lining up head shots and getting good at doing head shots if all that is just negated?

You also have shield gate... the extra damage is only from grenades and rapid fire.

[XXIceColdXX]

So does Shield gate effect Armor? Still a bit confused .

[Badpanzer]

I see a lot of people claiming that no one plays infiltrators on gold because of the shield gate.
Well when I play gold the infiltrator is one of the more common classes I see and many of them use the widow.
Maybe they dont know about shield gate but their scores suggest they do.
Remember the SI has energy drain and they can all do the reload trick.

[XXIceColdXX]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

So does Shield gate effect Armor? Still a bit confused .

Bump my own post lol

Like how Shileld gate works, Is there a similar type of protection on gold difficulty that makes armor harder to take down?

[david_demos484]

So if I use a claymore on my GI I will be able to 1 shot shielded enemies in gold?

[Xhitaa]

david_demos484 wrote...

So if I use a claymore on my GI I will be able to 1 shot shielded enemies in gold?

A GI speced for weapon damage, with a Claymore X / percing / smart shocke and with AP ammo III + Shotgun Rail III can 1 shot ANY ENEMY on gold except for Atlas, Prime and Banshee.

For these 3, a four cloak cicle ( cloak + proxy + shot + reload cancel + shot) will kill the big guys, if you are the only one shooting it. You can make it 3 on Atlas + Prime if you always hit the canopy / headshot. Can't promise 3 cicles for the Banshee, because the b*tch never stands still...

[upinya slayin]

i hate the shield gate with the widow on gold and geth rocket guys. you shoot them once to take down shield and by the 2nd shot sometimes they have 1 bar of shield left meaning i can only take the one bar down. The harpoon gun ignores the shield gate. I can 3 shot a prime to death. 1st headhsot takes it to 2 bars of shield left, 2nd one takes it to about half health, 3rd is the kill shot. its charge gun, cloack 1 shot, 2nd shot, cloack breaks, charge, cloak 3rd shot.

my widow takes 4 shots due to the shield gate.

I can also 1 shot hunters, pyros, and rocket guys with a charged cloak shot. harpoon gun is awesome for geth

[Ryath Waylander]

Not true on Pyros. If you hit them in the head and the shot passes through to their flame tank, their shields will go down and they'll explode about a half second later.

You can also knock Combat Engineers down to two bars of health by hitting them from the front and going through to their backpack. Or if you get them from behind, you can kill them in one shot.

Ah, that's enlightening! I wondered why some of my headshots on the pyro's were killing only some of them. So I need to ensure I hit them front and center? Hmm

Modifié par Ryath Waylander, 19 août 2012 - 01:27 .