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[BiancoAngelo7]

LOL I think there might be something wrong with OP's logic....

Mass Effect 3 was the highest selling game in March so it's going to be the GOTY?

....No.

[pikey1969]

HenchxNarf wrote...

kbct wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

nvm, its useless trying to explain anything to a brick wall.

Yeah, here was your link before you ninja-editted it.

http://www.vgchartz....e=Mass Effect 3

Now what does it say about North America, professor?

NPD cares about global sales, not just NA.

Actually I m 99 percent sure, NPD still only measures NA. They're not some hackjob operation like VGChartz where they throw around 'guesstimates'. They use proper sources and far better techniques actually credited by industry analysts, and part of that is why NPD focuses on one region that they actually know about and have proper connections for.

Modifié par pikey1969, 13 avril 2012 - 09:05 .

[kbct]

pikey1969 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

kbct wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

nvm, its useless trying to explain anything to a brick wall.

Yeah, here was your link before you ninja-editted it.

http://www.vgchartz....e=Mass Effect 3

Now what does it say about North America, professor?

NPD cares about global sales, not just NA.

Actually I m 99 percent sure, NPD still only measures NA. They're not some hackjob operation like VGChartz where they throw around 'guesstimates'. They use proper sources and far better techniques actually credited by industry analysts, and part of that is why NPD focuses on one region that they actually know about and have proper connections for.

Read what someone in the industry said:

"I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

kbct wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

nvm, its useless trying to explain anything to a brick wall.

Yeah, here was your link before you ninja-editted it.

http://www.vgchartz....e=Mass Effect 3

Now what does it say about North America, professor?

NPD cares about global sales, not just NA.

Actually I m 99 percent sure, NPD still only measures NA. They're not some hackjob operation like VGChartz where they throw around 'guesstimates'. They use proper sources and far better techniques actually credited by industry analysts, and part of that is why NPD focuses on one region that they actually know about and have proper connections for.

Read what someone in the industry said:

"I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."

No ground to stand on, I am the president of the united states. See how that works? Just because some random nobody posts in the comment section claiming to be part of the industry does not make it factual. Like said earlier your cherry picking parts of data to back up your statements and rest of the time relying on massive assumptions. Your magic 8 ball must be working overtime right now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No ground to stand on, I am the president of the united states. See how that works? Just because some random nobody posts in the comment section claiming to be part of the industry does not make it factual. Like said earlier your cherry picking parts of data to back up your statements and rest of the time relying on massive assumptions.

You never said if you thought NPD's 1.3 million sales figure was correct or if VGC's 2.14 million sales figure was correct.

Pretty big difference, right? The disparity does make it sound like VGC's data "doen't care where it came from." I assume you want to believe VGC's data? What about the most accurate data?

NPD has a much better reputation, right? Personally, I trust NPD over VGC.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No ground to stand on, I am the president of the united states. See how that works? Just because some random nobody posts in the comment section claiming to be part of the industry does not make it factual. Like said earlier your cherry picking parts of data to back up your statements and rest of the time relying on massive assumptions.

You never said if you thought NPD's 1.3 million sales figure was correct or if VGC's 2.14 million sales figure was correct.

Pretty big difference, right? The disparity does make it sound like VGC's data "doen't care where it came from." I assume you want to believe VGC's data? What about the most accurate data?

NPD has a much better reputation, right? Personally, I trust NPD over VGC.

Thats your choice, your free to use it. You also believe those figures represent bad sales, again free to do so. I personally consider both to be nothing more than general ideas about numbers not exact figures. But I also think those numbers are good in both cases for that region alone. NPD does also not have a better reputation just becomes some anon who says he is part of an industry tells you so. In the article itself they admit they have not asked the same questions of NPD that they did of VGC or got answers from them about it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:10 .

[Blastback]

Dang it Bioware, I should be able to feel happy for you.

[Father_Jerusalem]

But it didn't sell 7 million units like some dude on the internet claimed that EA was shooting for as its goal, yet can't provide any kind of source for that claim, so it's CLEARLY a failure.

Because some guy. On the internet. Said so.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No ground to stand on, I am the president of the united states. See how that works? Just because some random nobody posts in the comment section claiming to be part of the industry does not make it factual. Like said earlier your cherry picking parts of data to back up your statements and rest of the time relying on massive assumptions.

You never said if you thought NPD's 1.3 million sales figure was correct or if VGC's 2.14 million sales figure was correct.

Pretty big difference, right? The disparity does make it sound like VGC's data "doen't care where it came from." I assume you want to believe VGC's data? What about the most accurate data?

NPD has a much better reputation, right? Personally, I trust NPD over VGC.

Thats your choice, your free to use it. You also believe those figures represent bad sales, again free to do so. I personally consider both to be nothing more than general ideas about numbers not exact figures. But I also think those numbers are good in both cases for that region alone. NPD does also not have abetter reputation just becomes some anon who says he is part of an industry tells you so. In the article itself they admit they have not asked the same questions of NPD that they did of VGC or got answers about.

The NPD data, which does have a better reputation, is only 61% of the VGC data.

If we apply that same percentage to VGC's global sales, it's only 2.1 million sales.

2.1 million in global sales for an AAA title is not that good, right?

[Vasarkian]

What was the count of refunded and returned copies of the game? I'm curious of that number.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No ground to stand on, I am the president of the united states. See how that works? Just because some random nobody posts in the comment section claiming to be part of the industry does not make it factual. Like said earlier your cherry picking parts of data to back up your statements and rest of the time relying on massive assumptions.

You never said if you thought NPD's 1.3 million sales figure was correct or if VGC's 2.14 million sales figure was correct.

Pretty big difference, right? The disparity does make it sound like VGC's data "doen't care where it came from." I assume you want to believe VGC's data? What about the most accurate data?

NPD has a much better reputation, right? Personally, I trust NPD over VGC.

Thats your choice, your free to use it. You also believe those figures represent bad sales, again free to do so. I personally consider both to be nothing more than general ideas about numbers not exact figures. But I also think those numbers are good in both cases for that region alone. NPD does also not have abetter reputation just becomes some anon who says he is part of an industry tells you so. In the article itself they admit they have not asked the same questions of NPD that they did of VGC or got answers about.

The NPD data, which does have a better reputation, is only 61% of the VGC data.

If we apply that same percentage to VGC's global sales, it's only 2.1 million sales.

2.1 million in global sales for an AAA title is not that good, right?

For a Bioware title in comparison to previous titles in the series it is good. Your also jumping to wild assumptions again, trying to paint a picture without facts. One says one thing the other says another. That is what they say, your just jumping to assumptions about how right or wrong one or the other is. They are estimates, both of them not actual factual numbers. Both estimates have an element of assumption but they actuall have sample data to back up their assumption while you do not. They each use retailers maybe some same and others different retailers but it is sample vs sample both projecting upwards based on each of their samples. You have no proof one is 10% off outside of some random guy telling you that in the comment section on the article. You also have no proof the other is around 60% off in this case. Like said wild assumptions trying to push your own agenda.

[kbct]

Vasarkian wrote...

What was the count of refunded and returned copies of the game? I'm curious of that number.

And what is the profit margin on all the games sold at discounted prices?

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

What was the count of refunded and returned copies of the game? I'm curious of that number.

They are going to ignore you, or not give you a straight answer.

There is not data to post about it smart arse, it is not ignoring because do not wish to answer, it is not making false statement based on no data. That element is not up for debate because there is no data to talk about. Apply some common sense.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[TRISTAN WERBE]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

What was the count of refunded and returned copies of the game? I'm curious of that number.

They are going to ignore you, or not give you a straight answer.

There is not data to post about it smart arse, it is not ignoring because do not wish to answer, it is not making false statement based on no data. That element is not up for debate because there is no data to talk about.

Right, because no data means that it is false, it merely means that there is no data for you to use against him.

LOL nice one

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

What was the count of refunded and returned copies of the game? I'm curious of that number.

They are going to ignore you, or not give you a straight answer.

There is not data to post about it smart arse, it is not ignoring because do not wish to answer, it is not making false statement based on no data. That element is not up for debate because there is no data to talk about.

Right, because no data means that it is false, it merely means that there is no data for you to use against him.

Nope, try again. Never said was false, never said was true, said was no data so never replied. L2R.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You also have no proof the other is around 60% off in this case. Like said wild assumptions trying to push your own agenda.

0.61 = 1.3 / 2.14

Basically, you're telling me you want to believe the VGC data because it's higher.

This is what the dude from VGC said about their European estimates:

"Firstly, Walton freely admits the numbers were based on zero actual data for the entire European market, just pure extrapolation."

Their estimates sound really good...

[Vasarkian]

So there is no data about returned copies or mandatory refunds? I see.

Without pertinent information like that these charts can not be considered accurate then, they leave out vital statistics that may total a significant portion.

Modifié par Vasarkian, 13 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You also have no proof the other is around 60% off in this case. Like said wild assumptions trying to push your own agenda.

0.61 = 1.3 / 2.14

Basically, you're telling me you want to believe the VGC data because it's higher.

This is what the dude from VGC said about their European estimates:

"Firstly, Walton freely admits the numbers were based on zero actual data for the entire European market, just pure extrapolation."

Their estimates sound really good...

I didn't say that. Again assumption and wrong interpretation by you.

Secondly the situation he talked about was one title from the past, not this one. Again cherry picking and leaving out context to paint a false picture. Something you do so well but hide so badly.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Vasarkian wrote...

So there is no data about returned copies or mandatory refunds? I see.

Without pertinent information like that these charts can not be considered accurate then, they leave out vital statistics that may total a significant portion.

They are called estimates for a reason.

[kbct]

Vasarkian wrote...

So there is no data about returned copies or mandatory refunds? I see.

Without pertinent information like that these charts can not be considered accurate then, they leave out vital statistics that may total a significant portion.

They also don't address the add production costs from creating multiplayer, delaying the release date, the additional advertising, or inflation.

Everyone wants to look at the sales estimates from VGC (and not the more reputable NPD) and pretend we live in a static world with no other variables.

Heh, what we do know is that EA lost money for the last six years. You can't hide from those facts.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

So there is no data about returned copies or mandatory refunds? I see.

Without pertinent information like that these charts can not be considered accurate then, they leave out vital statistics that may total a significant portion.

They also don't address the add production costs from creating multiplayer, delaying the release date, the additional advertising, or inflation.

Everyone wants to look at the sales estimates from VGC (and not the more reputable NPD) and pretend we live in a static world with no other variables.

Heh, what we do know is that EA lost money for the last six years. You can't hide from those facts.

Neither does NPD.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Vasarkian]

kbct wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

So there is no data about returned copies or mandatory refunds? I see.

Without pertinent information like that these charts can not be considered accurate then, they leave out vital statistics that may total a significant portion.

They also don't address the add production costs from creating multiplayer, delaying the release date, the additional advertising, or inflation.

Everyone wants to look at the sales estimates from VGC (and not the more reputable NPD) and pretend we live in a static world with no other variables.

Heh, what we do know is that EA lost money for the last six years. You can't hide from those facts.

More so from TOR than anything else.

They went down 10 stock points and have relatively stayed at that level since November.