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[Ultra Prism]

Hah this was good!

[nomoredruggs]

Yeah I was gonna say Kaidan for Lawful Good, but he breaks regs romancing Femshep in ME1, plus he freaked out and killed his "teacher" when he was in BaAt, so I don't know...maybe if he does a quest to redeem himself?

Samara maybe though as pointed out she leans towards neutral...

What about Ashley?
Edit: well duh, Ashley romances maleshep, so technicaly breaks regs too 

Anyway good job OP, you got us thinking

Modifié par nomoredruggs, 13 avril 2012 - 09:16 .

[Marixus99.9]

The Angry One wrote...

Samara: Lawful Evil
Jack: Chaotic Neutral (ME2) > Chaotic Good (ME3)
Hackett: Lawful Stupid (built the Crucible)
Catalyst: Chaotic Stupid
Harbinger: Chaotic Evil
Javik: True Neutral

Lol .. you don't forgive him? I agree with the starbrat's position though 

Edit: I mean where you put him not his logic ..

Modifié par Marixus99.9, 13 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[nomoredruggs]

Nobrandminda wrote...

Mr_Blue wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

Based on D&D

Ah, my bad. Had no idea. I was born in the 90s. I just remember the Batman alignment being a popular picture, so I based it on that.

Bah, you kids and your internet.

I dread the day when people just assume that "Inception" means "a thing with in a thing."

:lol:

[OutlawInk]

Samara is Lawful Good. She's the closest you'll get to a Paladin in Mass Effect.
Garrus is Neutral Good. He's not afraid to break the law when necessary. I think Mordin fits here better, too, but not as much as Garrus.
Morinth is Chaotic Evil. No explanation needed.
The Reapers are Lawful Evil. They're for order in the universe even if that means trillions die.
I'm not sure where TIM fits. You could probably fit him in with Saren under Neutral Evil.

[OutlawInk]

The Yahg Shadow Broker for Chaotic Evil?
Thane for True Neutral?
Just throwing it out there.

Modifié par OutlawInk, 13 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[KingNothing125]

Thane is a good True Neutral. Good thinkin'.

[johhnytrash]

Alignment don't apply to the Reapers. They are more like a force of nature.

I'd do:

Lawful Good: Kaiden or Ashley
Neutral Good: Tali
Chaotic Good: Garrus
Lawful Neutral: Samara
True Neutral: Thane
Chaotic Neutral: Jack
Lawful Evil: Zaeed
Neutral Evil: Yahg Shadow Broker
Chaotic Evil: Morinth

[Oldbones2]

This is way off, the Reapers shouldn't even be on the scale at all, since they say their motives are beyond our comprehension.

Also Garrus is not lawful, he is neutral or chaotic, Liara is (in ME 1) lawful good, (in ME 2) Neutral good.

Wrex would probably be true neutral.

Legion is lawful neutral.

jack is accurate.

Rest need some tweeks too, but so tired.,

[omphaloskepsis]

dafangirl wrote...

@drewelow I disagree T.I.M. would not be willing to "serve" as easy as rule.

Sovereign however, the Reapers follow a strict code, pattern for killing and he, evidently "serves" the Catalyst.

I can see an argument against an LE TIM.  But, I've never thought that Lawful didn't necessarily mean willing to serve, so much as desiring order.  And with an LE -type in a leadership position, it means enforcing order on others.

Or that's how I've always interepreted.

Also, for the people who say Samara is neutral (there's no way I buy evil for her).  What's the difference between Samara's character and a paladin or a samurai?  I just think she's a better fit than Hackett or Anderson, personally.

Modifié par drewelow, 13 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[byne]

OutlawInk wrote...

The Yahg Shadow Broker for Chaotic Evil?
Thane for True Neutral?
Just throwing it out there.

From the site describing alignments linked on the first page:

"A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can be made to work together only by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him."

Except for the part about lasting as leader only until assassinated, that doesnt seem to fit the yahg Shadow Broker.

He was pretty calm and collected until Liara started messing with him, not arbitrarily violent or anything, and his plans arent exactly haphazard.

If you look past the fact that the Broker was a villain just because he had captured Feron, he does what he does mostly out of practicality. I'd say if anything, he's best described by that site's neutral description:

"A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn't feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutral characters exhibit a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil-after all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she's not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way."

He only worked with the Collectors because it was a 'mutually beneficial arrangement', and Liara says he was looking into ways to stop the Reapers.

Modifié par byne, 13 avril 2012 - 09:35 .

[OutlawInk]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Thane is a good True Neutral. Good thinkin'.

Thanks. Scanning through the character list he stood out. Fella doesn't think his body is anything more than a tool when he's being paid to do something.

Possible quotes:

"The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone."

"The law is only a defence against those who agree to be bound by it. We don't."

[LeTtotheC]

Kanon777 wrote...

Chaotic Evil = Morinth, the reapers are Lawfull Evil

Yep, that pretty much fits it.  The Repears are Evil, but they follow their own internal logic and rules.   Morinth just does it for the thrill, thus is chaotic...and evil. 

[metawanderer]

I don't think Garrus is lawful good. Neutral or Chaotic Good fits him more. A lawful good character will never break the rules like Garrus did or form a mercenary group to take on Omega.

[byne]

LeTtotheC wrote...

Kanon777 wrote...

Chaotic Evil = Morinth, the reapers are Lawfull Evil

Yep, that pretty much fits it.  The Repears are Evil, but they follow their own internal logic and rules.   Morinth just does it for the thrill, thus is chaotic...and evil. 

Yeah, I agree the Reapers are Lawful Evil.

I think using Sovereign's quote from ME1 would probably fit better if you put them as Lawful Evil:

"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it"

[MaaZeus]

Garrus is a textbook Chaotic Good character. He wants to do good, but absolutely hates rules and regulations and prefers to follow his own moral compass. Dangerous route that can blind you, but in any case thats the reason why he ditched C-Sec and turned Vigilante instead. Cant get more Chaotic Good than that.

Samara could be Lawful Good, but his codes are so ruthless and absolute at the times that she may instead be closer to Lawful Neutral, even if they all are done in the name of good. Not sure.

Reapers follow their cycle by the book and they apparently have a reason to do it. Lawful Evil in my eyes. TIM also fits LE category. He leads his evil organisation carefully with strict goals in mind which must be achieved. Even with morally questionable methods, he doesnt care even though he claims otherwise.

Morinth is easily Chaotic Evil. He gets high from murder and enjoys every second of it without remorse. He doesnt follow anything, self preservation and gaining power are the most important things for her.


I think Thane used to be True Neutral before meeting her future-wife. Got a change of heart and now carefully chooses to kill only evil people. I think he is now Neutral Good now. Not sure.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 13 avril 2012 - 09:49 .

[omphaloskepsis]

[quote]drewelow wrote...

[quote]dafangirl wrote...

@drewelow I disagree T.I.M. would not be willing to "serve" as easy as rule.

Sovereign however, the Reapers follow a strict code, pattern for killing and he, evidently "serves" the Catalyst.[/quote]
I can see an argument against an LE TIM.  But I've never thought that Lawful necessarily meant "willing to serve", so much as "desiring (or demanding) order".  And with an LE -type in a leadership position, it means enforcing that order on others.

Or that's how I've always interepreted it.

Also, for the people who say Samara is neutral (there's no way I buy evil for her).  What's the difference between Samara's character and a paladin or a samurai?  I just think she's a better fit than Hackett or Anderson, personally.

...sorry for the re-post.  I was trying to edit the horrible grammar in my quickly typed previous post.

Modifié par drewelow, 13 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[KingNothing125]

Lawful Good: Samara
Neutral Good: Liara
Chaotic Good: Garrus

Lawful Neutral: Aria
True Neutral: Thane
Chaotic Neutral: Grunt

Lawful Evil: The Reapers
Neutral Evil: The Illusive Man
Chaotic Evil: Morinth

[lillitheris]

The alignments don't mean that you NEVER do anything outside of them. (That's what the Stupid alignment modifier is used to denote.)

LG: Tali, Kaidan, Anderson (all a bit tenuously)
NG: Liara, Shepard
CG: Garrus, Wrex, Mordin
LN: Samara
TN: Thane (tenuously, strongly tends toward NG)
CN: Jack (ME2)
LE: TIM (ME2)
NE: Reapers (they make their own rules)
CE: Morinth, …Thorian? Thorian's probably more Neutral Incomprehensible.

[lillitheris]

I honestly think that Tali is the closest you can get to LG.

[Karrie788]

Mr_Blue wrote...

I've got all the others.

Still stuck on lawful good. Hackett has virtually nothing worthy of putting in the subtext, and I can't find any for Ashley either.

Maybe Liara for LG? I dunno. On second thought she's probably NG.
And I'd put Ash as a LN. Not in the same sense as Samara, but she says herself that she's first and foremost an Alliance soldier. She's not particularly good though, nor evil.

Modifié par Karrie788, 13 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[Skvindt]

Well this is interesting.

My two top favorite characters are Liara and Legion, who both happen to be neutral.

And out of the villains in the series, though I disagreed with Saren I did sympathize with him. Sort of.

I guess I have a thing for neutral?

o.O

[byne]

Hmm, my only criticism is that I think the Reapers represent Lawful Evil better than TIM does.

Also, while Saren's quote is his most memorable one, for some reason I feel like "I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed." would fit better, but thats just me.

[Lyrebon]

Mr_Blue wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

Based on D&D

Ah, my bad. Had no idea. I was born in the 90s. I just remember the Batman alignment being a popular picture, so I based it on that.

I was born in the 90's and knew it was from D'n'D xD Then again I owned a ZX Spectrum, Atari 2600, SNES and N64 and painted Warhammer models before everyone else thought they were cool.

I'm old fashioned like that.

Modifié par Lyrebon, 13 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[Nomad1888]

Samara should definitely be the Lawful Neutral as she is the best representation of that. TIM might lean more towards lawful neutral too because he seeks to advance himself without regards for others. No argument with Garrus or Morinth though, as perfect as it can get.