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[Darth_Trethon]

ModForFun wrote...

The toolset is not mostly useless if you think it is then you need to actually learn to use it properly. Also There is a new tool being developed by John Vanderbeck called DaModder that will make all of the rest of your statement mute as well, http://dragonagemodd...s.com/damodder/

Sounds good in theory but considering that they couldn't even get the Character Creator working right it remains to be seen exactly how and IF it works. Plus nothing will ever make mute the argument that mods mixing with official DLCs can screw some major things up. You sound like you're fond of mods......I would hate to be in your place if a year or two down the road we get a major expansion pack and you can't rum it. You'll likely get little to no help if it's caused by mods and if you have dozens or hundreds of them then you'll have alot of work finding the needle in that haystack.

[Astalder]

We get it you got a grudge against the PC, or a need to defend your purchasing decision. I myself bought the game on PS3 first, wish I hadn't, it actually annoys my OCD to think of leaving such a great game on my trophy list incomplete. I'll probably 100% the PS3 version (may exercise some experience glitches) then make the PC version the one I use for decades to come (same goes for Modern Warfare 2). It's tough buying games on the right platforms these days, I'd say Mass Effect is a game that should be played on console whereas Dragon Age is a game meant to be played on PC.

Modifié par Astalder, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:48 .

[bjdbwea]

As long as the game runs on it, a PC will always be the better gaming platform. Everything you can do with a console, a PC can do as well, and often better. DA is the perfect example.

[Darth_Trethon]

Astalder wrote...

Sorry Darth that's simply not true. Even with zero player made modifications that's completely untrue. The differences in the pausing mechanic between PC and console are light and day, in console you have to move characters individually in real time, this reduces the effectiveness of micromanagement wholesale. Then you add on top of that the fact that on PC you can choose all of Morrigan's spells, or Shale's initial abilities (via mods), or script their AI as you see from the start, and it's a completely different game.

You can say that's not the case if you wish, you have every right to be wrong as any basic evaluation of the two versions makes it clear they're quite different. splend though, make no mistake, it's two entirely different games, and if your PC can handle it the PC version is the right choice. Darth feel free to continue with gross generalizations.

Splen: The only thing I'm not really sure about is your video card, how's it rank up against say an 8800 GT (that's what I run and DAO plays just fine)?

That's assuming you think controlling manually each of the 4 characters is a good thing......actually that's a pain best avoided even on PC despites the easier process. Besides you shouldn't have to do that if you do a half decent job using the tactics slots. The mods with a game that will have as much DLC as this are not something I have any interest in mixing with. They will cause problems for more and more people as more and more DLC is released and nobody will get any support for things that get screwed by mods.

[Setz69]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

ModForFun wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...
But the PC doesn't? It's the exact same identical game.....provided it can even run on the PC. I've playe through about 5 times on the 360.....there's nothing getting old about playing again with other classes, origins and making different choices. The only real difference between the two versions is that one is guaranteed to run and has nearly no issues while the other isn't and has tons of issues.

Player created content, ever heard of it? With the toolset players can create mods and then share them with the community, these mods can add to the story and extend it or do a whole buch of other stuff too.
they are typicaly shared on sites such as dragonagenexus or damods. If you are a console user however you are SOL so sorry

OK fine I'll paste my reply to the "but it has mods" argument for you as well:

Except the toolset is mostly useless......then mods can further
complicate things since they aren't always compatible with official
DLCs....and so on. With all the official DLC planned for this game I'd
hate to be the one whose saves are coorupted or whose game becomes
unplayable because of incompatibility between DLC and mods.

You've mentioned what CAN happen with the pc version. Yet you haven't said why the console would be better. It does have alot of bugs with it aswell, but its alot easier to patch a PC version, than go through microsoft or sony to get a console patch released. I guarantee you'll see alot more pc patches release alot sooner than the console patches.

I would still gamble my chances with the PC version, backup my saves before installing dlc's, and if something goes wrong, revert to old save and remove all my mods. 

[Sloth Of Doom]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

What's your video card? Anyhow I would strongly recommend staying far away from the PC version. It is currently plagued by numerous gamebreaking issues and if for whatever reason your PC can't play it(this can easily happen even with a PC that meets the recommended specs) then you'll get nothing but silence from BioWare.

WTF 'gamebreaking issues' are you muttering about?

Oh nothing.....except reports of DLC not working propperly....not at all actually....deleting one save wiping all the others...different characters too.....game not playing on PCs that more than meet the requirements....tons of instalation problems...the toolset beeing broken for a ton of people....and so on. Those are just a few that I remembered in 10 seconds.

DLC not working properly alwas boils down to improper installation or computer settings.  Also, not gamebreaking.

Deleting one save wipes all others?  Tell me how to recreate that and I will believe it.

Game not playing on PCs that meet rquirements:  Details?   Thats a vague-as-hell complaint.

Tons of installation problems.....such as.......?

Toolset is not part of the game.

So....your 'gamebreaking issues' are 'Some stuff sometims i think might not work maybe?  I don;t have details and most of it is probably user error but...DA sucks!

[Astalder]

Eh that's not always true... Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed, anything with platforming is usually better on console. Shooters are generally better on PC, but it depends on the developer. RPGs are mostly best on PC, but I liked ME1 more on console (I hated the PC controls, specifically regarding party members).

[Darth_Trethon]

Setz69 wrote...



You've mentioned what CAN happen with the pc version. Yet you haven't said why the console would be better. It does have alot of bugs with it aswell, but its alot easier to patch a PC version, than go through microsoft or sony to get a console patch released. I guarantee you'll see alot more pc patches release alot sooner than the console patches.

I would still gamble my chances with the PC version, backup my saves before installing dlc's, and if something goes wrong, revert to old save and remove all my mods. 

The consoles are mostly problem free. There are a couple of minor issues like a few achievements not unlocking but overall the console is a clean put the disc in the tray and start playing immediately.....no instalation required though we can install if we so choose to. So there are few patches on consoles because mostly they aren't needed. The problems on PC are far more and more severe as well.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:53 .

[ModForFun]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

ModForFun wrote...

The toolset is not mostly useless if you think it is then you need to actually learn to use it properly. Also There is a new tool being developed by John Vanderbeck called DaModder that will make all of the rest of your statement mute as well, http://dragonagemodd...s.com/damodder/

Sounds good in theory but considering that they couldn't even get the Character Creator working right it remains to be seen exactly how and IF it works. Plus nothing will ever make mute the argument that mods mixing with official DLCs can screw some major things up. You sound like you're fond of mods......I would hate to be in your place if a year or two down the road we get a major expansion pack and you can't rum it. You'll likely get little to no help if it's caused by mods and if you have dozens or hundreds of them then you'll have alot of work finding the needle in that haystack.

It's not bioware who is developing DaModder, its a modder from the community, and yes I am fond of modding I have been modding my own and playing other modders creations for ten years now.
 
There is also absolutely no reason that a player created mod should ever corrrupt your game, in the read me file that should be included with any mod that you download it should inform players exactly what content is added and where in the game world it was placed, if any changes were made to pre-existing content you should be informed of that as well. All competent modders include this information with thier mods, no read me file should allways = no install.

As far as future DLC and expansions go any player created MOD can allways be removed and the DaModder tool that Johns developing will make doing so a breaze, so again that wont be an issue

[Setz69]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Setz69 wrote...



You've mentioned what CAN happen with the pc version. Yet you haven't said why the console would be better. It does have alot of bugs with it aswell, but its alot easier to patch a PC version, than go through microsoft or sony to get a console patch released. I guarantee you'll see alot more pc patches release alot sooner than the console patches.

I would still gamble my chances with the PC version, backup my saves before installing dlc's, and if something goes wrong, revert to old save and remove all my mods. 

The consoles are mostly problem free. There are a couple of minor issues like a few achievements not unlocking but overall the console is a clean put the disc in the tray and start playing immediately.....no instalation required though we can install if we so choose to. So there are few patches on consoles because mostly they aren't needed. The problems on PC are far more and more severe as well.

I haven't heard of these severe problems. As far as I know, every problem people on these forums are having, i've had on my console version aswell. I know at initial launch there was a boat load of problems, but they seem to be fixed after the first patch.

Anywas, banter aside, after owning the console version, I would recommend the PC version.

[Kyogen]

I have been playing DA:O on the 360 because I do not have the option to play it on my pc right now, and I have loved it, but I can wholeheartedly recommend the pc version over console versions. It's a question of the menu interface. The radial menu on the 360 version is adequate but slow and awkward when compared to the mouseclick pc interface.

[splendadaddy]

wow thanks guys for all your comments, I really appreciate all your feedback. It's pretty obvious from everything I've read that the PC version is superior. I guess I'm still concerned that my PC just won't run it well given my specs. My laptop runs Oblivion ok, not at the highest resolution. It runs Mass Effect 1 with no issues. The only other game I'm running is Civ4, which I can't run giant maps because the slowdown is just too much. eck I dunno?!

[vortex590]

PC

[Kyogen]

splendadaddy wrote...

wow thanks guys for all your comments, I really appreciate all your feedback. It's pretty obvious from everything I've read that the PC version is superior. I guess I'm still concerned that my PC just won't run it well given my specs. My laptop runs Oblivion ok, not at the highest resolution. It runs Mass Effect 1 with no issues. The only other game I'm running is Civ4, which I can't run giant maps because the slowdown is just too much. eck I dunno?!

I think the pc version is the superior version, but if you are really worried about your laptop's specs, I don't think a console version will disappoint you as long as you are already able to tolerate a console's specific gameplay style. Since you are a PS3 owner, I would guess that this won't be a problem for you.

I am playing the 360 version (which is good) while I wait for a pc upgrade, but I have heard that the PS3 version is the prettier of the two consoles. Since that's your other option, it's not a bad one.

[Aezay]

PC

I've been a PC gamer since 98-99 or so, before that I had a PlayStation. Even though I enjoyed most of the games that I played on the PlayStation, PC gaming was just so much easier, and better. There are a few game types where I can see playing with a controller is easier, such as fighting or driving games, but pretty much anything else feels superior on the PC, at least to me. Plus PC games has far better graphics, the consoles are getting a bit outdated.

Could anyone explain to me why so many prefers console gaming over the PC, because for most parts, I do not understand it.

Modifié par Aezay, 05 décembre 2009 - 10:15 .

[LunSei Sleidee]

It will run. Get the pc version. I have a GeForce 8500 and 2gb or ram, and I can play this game at 1680x1050 with a 2x antialiasing. Not bad at all.

[splendadaddy]

LunSei Sleidee wrote...

It will run. Get the pc version. I have a GeForce 8500 and 2gb or ram, and I can play this game at 1680x1050 with a 2x antialiasing. Not bad at all.

really? thanks man that helps.  I guess I've noticed Bioware games run and look ok on older PCs.  I wish i had a desktop instead of a laptop.  oh well.  So the PC gameplay is really that awsome?   I guess I'll go for the PC version, I'm downloading the character creater thing now just to see how that runs.  

[B33ker]

It should run ok, but likely without everything cranked to max details.



Don't go just by how good it looks though, as how pretty it looks will quickly become the least of your concerns when the interface sucks and you can't deal with it.



The interface on the PC is far superior to the consoles, and with how often you'll be using it, that should be the more important aspect, with visuals second.

[ModForFun]

Aezay wrote...
Could anyone explain to me why so many prefers console gaming over the PC, because for most parts, I do not understand it.

The advantage a console has over the PC is that if its made for your console its going to play, end of story. For alot of gamers who get tired of "system specs" holding them back consoles are the way to go, they are cheaper and far more dependable then a pc gaming rig.

Honestly If I did not enjoy PC gaming so much I would go a console myself.

[splendadaddy]

B33ker wrote...

The interface on the PC is far superior to the consoles, and with how often you'll be using it, that should be the more important aspect, with visuals second.

Yea I'm in agreement too.  Plus I've read the visuals on the PC are sharper then all the consoles.  Probably won't be the case for my comp, but as long as it runs decently, I'll enjoy the PC gameplay more. 

[Aezay]

ModForFun wrote...

Aezay wrote...
Could anyone explain to me why so many prefers console gaming over the PC, because for most parts, I do not understand it.

The advantage a console has over the PC is that if its made for your console its going to play, end of story. For alot of gamers who get tired of "system specs" holding them back consoles are the way to go, they are cheaper and far more dependable then a pc gaming rig.

Honestly If I did not enjoy PC gaming so much I would go a console myself.

Hmm, I can sort of understand that, but today you don't have to pay much for a gfx card that will match that of a 360 or ps3, they are using four year old technology after all, and it will probably be another 2-3 years before they are replaced with something better.

[LunSei Sleidee]

splendadaddy wrote...

really? thanks man that helps.  I guess I've noticed Bioware games run and look ok on older PCs.  I wish i had a desktop instead of a laptop.  oh well.  So the PC gameplay is really that awsome?   I guess I'll go for the PC version, I'm downloading the character creater thing now just to see how that runs.  

The character editor amazingly run at superhigh settings when I installed it. So, I think if you remove a few antialiasing from it, then you'll get a look at how the game will run on your pc. The editor for me managed to keep a 8x antialiasing; but when I play the actual videogame I can't go further than 2x.
Your laptop seems better equipped than my pc - and Dragon Age miracolously looks quite good on my old pc. So I think you shouldn't have issues. Believe me, I myself was amazed that the game would run so well on my rusty machine.

Besides, I have played the PS3 version.... and I'm glad I could try it before buying it, because it's very inferior when compared to the pc version. Even the graphics look worse, and as I said, my pc is old. I'm usually a Sony fangirl and I only play with my PS3, but when it happens it happens: this game is really much better on pc.

[splendadaddy]

coolness everyone, thanks for all your input, I'm going with the PC.



Now all I have to do is finish my final papers in Grad school. Anyone want to write a 10 page paper for me on American Founders and then another 6 page paper on International Political Economy?

[ModForFun]

splendadaddy wrote...

coolness everyone, thanks for all your input, I'm going with the PC.

Now all I have to do is finish my final papers in Grad school. Anyone want to write a 10 page paper for me on American Founders and then another 6 page paper on International Political Economy?

hehe, if I wrote the paper concerning international political economy you might get branded as an economic terrorist.

[Astalder]

All things being equal except graphics I usually prefer consoles, I like the ease, the entertainment system, the couch, the controller, pretty much everything about it. However in the case of DAO all things are not equal. Enjoy splend (after you do your homework).