223 réponses à ce sujet

[grey_wind]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Grey Wind. True, but claiming that in the future that an Admiral won't take precedence over a Commander is idiotic. Remember, Hackett was the one who oversaw the management, resupply, administration and strategy of the combined fleets. Shepard may be the one who recruited everyone, but considering that Hackett's been doing everything for much longer than Shepard, you can't blame him for being the one to give the speech.

That said, Priority Earth sucked.

Not arguing against your points, they're all valid. Just saying that for what could have been an awesome gameplay feature, I wouldn't mind them sidestepping the logical fact that Hackett and the other admirals should be the ones planning the attack.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

After all, no-one in the ME universe says, "Commander FemShep? We can't let her onto the front lines, after all, what if she gets PMS or gets her period during combat?"

If your Shep is a BoyShep, think Ashley or Miranda...

Ridiculous, right?

See, in the future they've realized the idiocy of that.

Women are kept away from those roles today because it's completely impractical due to the fact that having a period once a month in a combat zone inconveniences every other soldier in the unit, women are less capable of physical violence against an armed oponent and most men in a brawling fistfight with teeth, nails and pure unadulterated savagery would massacre a woman Not discrimination, just common sense.

Wow. Seriously?

The eighteenth century called. They want their Official Wife Beater back.

Until you've actually trained under both a male and female sensei, your speculations as to who's better at "unadulterated savagery" is just . . .

SPECULATION!!!

Not common sense at all.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go drill a hole in a patient's head. He has a headache, so we need to release the pressure.

Not discrimination, just common sense.

[Made Nightwing]

Yeah...like Tuchanka, when Shepard proposes a co-ordinated strike. Shepard gives advice to the Admirals...and depending on his Reputation level, they listen to him.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Yeah...like Tuchanka, when Shepard proposes a co-ordinated strike. Shepard gives advice to the Admirals...and depending on his Reputation level, they listen to him.

You play as default BoyShep, am I correct?

[Joeybsmooth4]

I did not like him.

First he was the person that sent Shep to mission on the DLC Arrival. Thus gets Shep locked up for 6 mos . In that type time Shep could have been getting ready for the reapers .

[kalasaurus]

No, I didn't hate him.  I still wish Manipulation Theory were true, though

[Made Nightwing]

@Lincoln MuaDib. Name calling has never been a valid form of argument.

I train as an amateur level MMA fighter. We have multiple women in the group who could kick my ass in the ring. As a cadet Corporal I was routinely outshot by female sharpshooters in my squadron. But war is not training.

For instance, a female police officer is given intensive training in aspects of law enforcement, yet you routinely hear of situations where a male perpetrator has majorly smashed up a female officer, not because of any fault of hers, but because men are naturally stronger and more violent. In actual combat you have to be able to kill the enemy in every single way. Shoot, stab, crush the skull, strangle to death or just beat them till they stop moving. Many men are incapable of this, and the amount of women who have the necessary inner savage to pull it off are so rare as to be non-existant.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Just felt like illuminating you, as you seem to be unaware of much beyond the USA.

From the beginning of the 1970s, most Western armies began to admit women to serve active duty.[2] Only some of them permit women to fill active combat roles, including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military

Welcome to Australia!
articles.cnn.com/2011-09-27/us/us_military-women_1_combat-roles-military-women-direct-combat

And one more.

uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index


Food for thought.

[Joeybsmooth4]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Many men are incapable of this, and the amount of women who have the necessary inner savage to pull it off are so rare as to be non-existant.

You don't know my ex ...

[shodiswe]

KaeserZen wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

I loved Hackett, the only thing that made me mad at him was when he stole my speech to the fleets before the battle at Earth. Still, I forgave him since he sounded so god damn badass.

Yeah, I was very very upset by this too.

Come on, Shepard's speech before the final Collector battle was truly epic !

He did all the work, only for Hackett to come and steal his 15 minutes of glory.

In a way it makes sense for Hacket to make that speech for the fleet, he will be there directing the fleet whiel shepard will be down in london, Hackett had to establish the chain of command and trust, and bolster the confidence of the fleets he would be commanding in orbit.

I wish Shepards speech to his crewmates and soldiers on earth was transmitted to the soldiers outside the command building aswell.. But maybe that's just me.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Lincoln MuaDib. Name calling has never been a valid form of argument.

Really? Remember this?

Made Nightwing wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

See,
in the future they've realized the idiocy of that (plus Steve and
Kaiden and Kelly and Diane and Samantha don't have to do the whole
"don't ask, don't tell" thing).

So surely they can get over the whole Rank is Everything! Schtick.

You're an idiot.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Made Nightwing]

@ Lincoln. I live in Australia. Every combat veteran we have is saying this is a bad idea. Every trooper we have in active duty in Afghanistan is saying this is a terrible idea. Every psychological specialist in the field of human violence is saying this is a bad idea. But the government did it anyway because CIVILLIAN feminist advocates wouldn't leave the issue alone.

Fact statement, not name calling. Saying that in the future the military will not respect rank as it does now IS idiotic

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 19 avril 2012 - 08:41 .

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Many men are incapable of this, and the amount of women who have the necessary inner savage to pull it off are so rare as to be non-existant.

You don't know my ex ...

But seriously, how does Made Nightwing actually know this? Any kind of survey as to how savage women on the front lines actually are?

Oh, that's right. The USA don't allow women on the frontlines, so such a survey is impossible.

Once again, opinion dressed up as fact.

[Made Nightwing]

The Israeli military discovered that while female snipers were as effective as killing as male snipers, they suffered above average casualty rates in units where close quarters battle was happening.

Male vs Female psychology states that a man is naturally more inclined to violence than a woman. That is fact, not opinion.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Fact statement, not name calling. Saying that in the future the military will not respect rank as it does now IS idiotic

Really? 200 years ago to disrespect an officer was punishable by death. Hell, in Gallipoli to disobey your officer and desert your post led to execution. Nowadays that does not happen, as I am sure you are aware.

Thus, the military of the present does not respect rank as it did back then.

To think that it has no possibility of change IS idiotic.

Remember- I wasn't saying that rank would disappear. Just that, in the future, ALL things are possible- including the military not having to salute officers.

Unless you've been to the future in your Tardis to prove me wroing? No? You haven't?

Then you're being idiotic. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Male vs Female psychology states that a man is naturally more inclined to violence than a woman. That is fact, not opinion.

My partner has studied psychology at postgraduate level.

That is not fact, it is bullsh*t.

There are more cases of men being physically violent than women, yes.

But it makes no correlation towards women.

The fastest man in the world is black, right?

So blacks run faster than whites?

No country should EVER field a white competitor in the Olympics?

Of course not.

Sooo . . .

you getting me yet?

Test recruits for proficiency. Train them well. Then put the best into the best roles that their tested profiiency makes them best suited for.

Gender is unrelated.

[Made Nightwing]

That's nice. And if he/she has a nice certificate framing it on the wall that's even better. However it doesn't change the fact that men are biologically and psychologically more suited for the strain of an infantryman's job than a woman.

See, the job of the infantry isn't just killing. It's to take, hold and defend that terrain in all conditions and against all opponents. That means being able to go without food and water for long periods of time. It means being able to sustain grievous wounds and still be able to operate without relief. It means being able to carry damn heavy loads, including your fellow troopers. And it means doing it for months on end without relief...and without your body going through a natural biological function every month that makes them mentally and physically weaken.

Your point is a logical fallacy, considering that the position of fastest man in the world is an individual's achievment. Are all blacks faster than white? No, and we know that because it's been proven again and again across many years of academic sport. Can women kill? Undoubtedly, they have and will again. Can women be good frontline soldiers, live in blood, mud, their own filth, be able to kill a man with their bare hands, be able to withstand the psychological strain of battle, the psychological after effects such as PTSD? Most of that stuff we know they can't, and if we try to find out the rest of it we'll only get people killed.

[Made Nightwing]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Fact statement, not name calling. Saying that in the future the military will not respect rank as it does now IS idiotic

Really? 200 years ago to disrespect an officer was punishable by death. Hell, in Gallipoli to disobey your officer and desert your post led to execution. Nowadays that does not happen, as I am sure you are aware.

Thus, the military of the present does not respect rank as it did back then.

To think that it has no possibility of change IS idiotic.

Remember- I wasn't saying that rank would disappear. Just that, in the future, ALL things are possible- including the military not having to salute officers.

Unless you've been to the future in your Tardis to prove me wroing? No? You haven't?

Then you're being idiotic. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png

Yes. Nowadays, refusing to follow a legitimate order will result in disciplinary action. Continued disobedience will result in a court martial and dishonourable discharge. Just because you don't get killed for it doesn't mean that you won't be punished. Rank is respected as much today as it was back then, the punishments for disrespecting it have just changed.

If it's a military, if it has functioning hierarchy, if there are the separate caste structures of officers and enlisted men, then there will be some form of saluting. If you're not on a battlefield, you're saluting your superior officer to show respect (in Australia, for the Queen, in the US for whatever) for that person's rank. Since saluting still exists in the Mass Effect universe, soldiers are still saluting their superiors, thus saluting an Admiral is compulsory and BioWare showed a commendable knowledge of military protocol.

[ticklefist]

70 yr old dude that could prolly kick Shepard's ass. I'd be a mad fanboy too!

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Really? 200 years ago to disrespect an officer was punishable by death. Hell, in Gallipoli to disobey your officer and desert your post led to execution. Nowadays that does not happen, as I am sure you are aware.

Thus, the military of the present does not respect rank as it did back then.

To think that it has no possibility of change IS idiotic.

Yes. Nowadays, refusing to follow a legitimate order will result in disciplinary action.  Just because you don't get killed for it doesn't mean that you won't be punished. Rank is respected as much today as it was back then, the punishments for disrespecting it have just changed.

Since saluting still exists in the Mass Effect universe, soldiers are still saluting their superiors, thus saluting an Admiral is compulsory

Just because Shepard does it doesn't mean it's compulsory.

Case in point- Admiral Michaelovich.

In fact, that's proof that it's NOT compulsory.

I'm not suggesting disrespect of rank- just that, in the future, the apex of respect may not lie in the salute- just as it no longer lies in the freedom to kill insubordinate officers.

Being respectful of skill without being obligated to salute?

Makes sense to me.

Hey, do you bow to your MMA sensei? If not, isn't that disrespectful?

[Lincoln MuaDib]

ticklefist wrote...

70 yr old dude that could prolly kick Shepard's ass. I'd be a mad fanboy too!

Maybe your Shepard. Without his guard, my biotic would throw him into the wall. If she felt so inclined.

If your Shepard thinks Hackett is the bigger badass, he's being a coward sending Shepard off to the job.

[nicocap24]

The fact that he was born in Buenos Aires makes him the best character in the history of anything... ever.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Made Nightwing wrote...

 it doesn't change the fact that men are biologically and psychologically more suited for the strain of an infantryman's job than a woman.

Can women kill? Undoubtedly, they have and will again. Can women be good frontline soldiers, live in blood, mud, their own filth, be able to kill a man with their bare hands, be able to withstand the psychological strain of battle, the psychological after effects such as PTSD? Most of that stuff we know they can't, and if we try to find out the rest of it we'll only get people killed.

Not a fact.

Without testing, it's just conjecture.

How do you know women can't do these things?

Were they tested for it?

No?

Quote your sources, if you have them, not the grumblings of disgruntled grunts.

[Made Nightwing]

@Lincoln MuaDib. My MMA sensei is not my lawful superior in the way that my CO at cadets was. Yes, I bow, but out of honour, not legal necessity such as in the military. Saluting is not just a preference or some mark of respect, it is a reminder of who is in charge. You will notice that while Shepard doesn't necessarily salute (Spectre, after all, legal requirement isn't there), Ashley and Kaidan will immediately snap to attention and render the honorific.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

nicocap24 wrote...

The fact that he was born in Buenos Aires makes him the best character in the history of anything... ever.

Anyone know where Earthborn Shepard was born?