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[jijeebo]

Tapkomet wrote...

Did you guys know I have some magic of my own? Real magic. I don't know why, but after I post somewhere, the thread dies at least half of the time.

/thread

lol, the same happens to me 

WE should be the new solution, descending every 50k years to end all forum life. 

[Luzarius]

iorveth1271 wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

Sorry, but BS. Please present proof to these kinds of claims instead of telling us how we are all too stupid for everything in every single one of your posts (as much as I'm not used to anything else from you ).

We know that a child trusts the parent. We know that followers of a god trust in their god and follow his orders.  If you studied human culture you would know these basic principles.

The creator of the reapers did two simple things:

1. showed itself to you as a child.
2. gave you control

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility.

Sorry, but I don't have that big of an ego. In fact, I'm quite a selfless person and do not have a lot of pride. There was nothing like humility in what the Reapers did though.

The reapers gave you control and showed itself to you as a child. If that isn't humility I don't know what is.

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

Nice theory, again you lack any kind of established lore to prove any of it.

I can't prove that the starchilds homeworld was devastated by AI. But sometime in the starchilds life it must of been scarred by an AI somehow. This is a logical conclusion devoid of objective evidence. Bioware intended for us to speculate and this is a strong speculation.  Legion states that the mind of the reapers were once organic.  Given the fact that organics are destined to run into problems with an AI we can safely assume the starchild was harmed by AI at one point.

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

I don't believe in god or the bible and therefore not in sins as well. If that is some kind of explanation Bioware wants people to get, do that without me. Do not force religion down people's throats, it leads to a giant mess with people getting mad.

You don't have to, that is why I used the "parent" argument as well. The concept of sloth can be translated into "lazy".  If you were open minded you would interpret this with great ease.

(You my friend were a moderator in my channel. You chose to abuse your moderator privelages.  I am willing to forgive you for this as long as you ask. Then all will be well again).

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Modifié par Luzarius, 13 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[Ryven]

Sauruz wrote...

Luzarius' posts did always remind me of a televangelist's nonsensical ramblings. And recently he even made some nonsensical statement about how homosexuality had no place in the ME universe. Now he's directly speaking of deadly sins, of the pride that has befallen us and sloth and what not. That's a rising character arc. Or a falling one, I'm not so sure actually.

Give him a break. His twitch.tv account isn't going to advertise itself

[kaztas]

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

[The Night Mammoth]

Oh sure that makes sense.

"You bring it on yourselves", it says in a sneering tone.

"You have choice, more than you deserve."

No thanks Luzarius, but keep fighting that fight.

[Pottumuusi]

Pride is a virtue, not a sin.

[Jayelle Janson]

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

[The Night Mammoth]

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

You did good. 

[M Hedonist]

If you ever happen to experience the delight of catching one of Luzarius' live streams he keeps advertising in every single one of his posts, I recommend you to check out all of the rules on his site. I advise you not to do something foolish like trying to break as many of those at once or something. That would certainly be something I would never recommend anyone to do.

Modifié par Sauruz, 13 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[coolbeans]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

You did good. 

+1

Now lets derail this sucker with talk of how dreamy Steve is

[Xenoaroe]

 How are you not banned? Every post you make boils down to:

I understand x, and you fail to understand x because I am smarter than you.

[Luzarius]

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

Finally a good response to my thread.

You are saying the reaper manipulated Shepard by presenting itself as a child? Here is the problem and maybe you can help me out. I'm not sure if that child on earth was real or not. It's answer was odd.... "You can't help me" right? Isn't that what the child said? But by the end of the game it did ask for help.

This is why I made the thread to have clever questions like these asked. Maybe you can shed some more light.

Maybe indoctrination played a small role here at some point.

Luzarius

[Luzarius]

Xenoaroe wrote...

 How are you not banned? Every post you make boils down to:

I understand x, and you fail to understand x because I am smarter than you.

Hey man I apologize, that is not my intention. So I apologize to you.

Luzarius

[Ryven]

coolbeans wrote...


+1

Now lets derail this sucker with talk of how dreamy Steve is

I'll play along. I

I'm not even gay, but I did get a bro crush on Steve.

[M Hedonist]

Xenoaroe wrote...

 How are you not banned? Every post you make boils down to:

I understand x, and you fail to understand x because I am smarter than you.

Recently, he discovered a new argument:

I understand x, and you fail to understand x because you played the game in action mode.

[Xenoaroe]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

You did good. 

I'm proud of you.

[M Hedonist]

Luzarius wrote...

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

Finally a good response to my thread.

You are saying the reaper manipulated Shepard by presenting itself as a child? Here is the problem and maybe you can help me out. I'm not sure if that child on earth was real or not. It's answer was odd.... "You can't help me" right? Isn't that what the child said? But by the end of the game it did ask for help.

This is why I made the thread to have clever questions like these asked. Maybe you can shed some more light.

Maybe indoctrination played a small role here at some point.

Luzarius

I have no idea whether I'm supposed to be laughing or crying while reading that.

[Reth Shepherd]

Hexley UK wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
*snip*
"no death ruleset"

2/10 your not even trying anymore.

Actually, I disagree. I think Luz actually did hit on something new and interesting here. To my knowledge, we haven't really come up with any alternatives to why the ****-Catalyst would appear as a child other than having messed with Shep's head over the course of the entire game. This introduces a second possibility, and honestly isn't any more crazy than the idea I've seen floating around that says Hackett was either the one indoctrinated or one of the leaders of Cerebus. Under the circumstances, it's not impossible that it would have been seeking a new user to overcome a difficulty that it was unable to handle on its own.

That said, I do believe it's incorrect for three reasons. 1: Sovereign. 2: Harbinger. 3: the Rannoch Reaper. None of the Reapers that we've talked to have shown any capacity or desire for humility, nor have they shown any interest in ideas or plans not their own. Would you take orders or ideas from a centipede? The Reapers seem to consider us even lesser beings than the centipede. (Was originally going to use a microbe as an example, but then I remembered recent research that indicates that our intestinal bacteria may play a big part in determining our personalities.)



Oh, and this is completely off-topic, but did you guys read the latest Marauder Shields? I'm torn between , , and .

[iorveth1271]

Luzarius wrote...

We know that a child trusts the parent. We know that followers of a god trust in their god and follow his orders.  If you studied human culture you would know these basic principles.

The creator of the reapers did two simple things:

1. showed itself to you as a child.
2. gave you control

So you're saying that I should trust a child because it's a child and simply take whatever it says as granted?
Sorry, but if it had given me control, this child would be dead by now.

The reapers gave you control and showed itself to you as a child. If that isn't humility I don't know what is.

I know though. It's called deception.

I can't prove that the starchilds homeworld was devastated by AI. But sometime in the starchilds life it must of been scarred by an AI somehow. This is a logical conclusion devoid of objective evidence. Bioware intended for us to speculate and this is a strong speculation.  Legion states that the mind of the reapers were once organic.  Given the fact that organics are destined to run into problems with an AI we can safely assume the starchild was harmed by AI at one point.

That's not actually true. The Reapers' minds are organic. Legion says that as well - the Reapers are very similar in their way of thinking to the way the Geth think and work; as thousands of programs forming one hive mind but unlike the Geth, these programs do not form a network. They are completely independent. To quote Sovereign on that:

"We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness."

Legion has never said that their minds were once organic. All he said was that Nazara interacted with the Geth on the same level the Geth interact with each other - exchanging data FTL. That is a Synthetic ability, not an organic one. Reapers are simply made of organic genetic material but what the effect of this is has never been clarified.

As for the Starchild, you're grasping for thin straws there, Luz. It really is strong speculation, but nothing more. There is no real indication that the Starchild was in any way organic at all. It talks with logic, with nothing but mere logic, which is why the child-thing doesn't work as well. If this Reaper master would really want you to accept it's truth easier by showing itself in the form of a child, then it did not do a very good impression of a child. This is the coldest child I have ever seen, my Shepard would not have believed one word it said (and btw my Shepard is an atheist).

You don't have to, that is why I used the "parent" argument as well. The concept of sloth can be translated into "lazy".  If you were open minded you would interpret this with great ease.

I know what sloth means, don't worry. And again, the Reaper master did not do a very good job in imitating the form of a child to make Shepard more willing to accept it's logic. And it didn't give me any control either, other than me having to choose from 3 narrow-minded endings. Other than that it was the child exerting control on me.

As for the rest, does not belong here. Rest assured, I have nothing to feel bad about.

Modifié par iorveth1271, 13 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[jijeebo]

coolbeans wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

You did good. 

+1

Now lets derail this sucker with talk of how dreamy Steve is

I used to love womenz, then I took a arrow to the knee Steve to the Normandy. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Xenoaroe wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Jayelle Janson wrote...

kaztas wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

The deadliest foe in the galaxy chose to represent itself as a child before your Shepard.  This means that the reapers (with the help of the crucible) acknowledge your Shepard as a parent or god figure.  But you failed to see that. 

This means that you are so full of pride and ego you failed to realize that the reaper was showing humility. 

You didn't even try to understand the uploaded organic mind of the starchild, his origins, why it came to such a disturbing conclusion (to harvest advanced civilizations). Why did it resort to using AI to do its job? Maybe because the starchilds original homeworld was devastated by AI?

The reaper was clearly asking YOU for a solution to the problem of synthetic life aka the technological singularity that is inevitable based upon the sin of sloth.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

ohh ohh I'll play

*clears throat*

The catalyst appeared as a Child because it knew, through Space Magic, that Sheppard was distraught over that SAME EXACT LOOKING CHILD ON EARTH that died.

Yes Humility is showing your the enemy the face of the innocent child they failed to save and which haunts their dreams.

How'd I do. How'd I do!!!!???

You did good son.

You did good. 

I'm proud of you.

I was born in London. 

Everyone around the thread, join in, start a quote train, a quote train. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[Flatwhatgriff]

Luzarius wrote...
  If you were open minded you would interpret this with great ease.

Excuse me, but that's single-handedly one of the most hilarious things I've ever read coming from you. 
Anyway really luz, no one's paying attention anymore, no one cares. I highly doubt Iorveth is going to beg for forgiveness especially when your insulting everyones intelligence. 

I could argue with you, I could fight but in the end your going to say "You're wrong" it's not defeat I just know when to chose my battles. It's always been like this, I doubt it will change.

Anyway have a nice day with... whatever you're doing, with all your vitriol and obvious troll advertisements I'm beginning to see why your chat is turning into the beast that it is.

[Luzarius]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Actually, I disagree. I think Luz actually did hit on something new and interesting here. To my knowledge, we haven't really come up with any alternatives to why the ****-Catalyst would appear as a child other than having messed with Shep's head over the course of the entire game. This introduces a second possibility, and honestly isn't any more crazy than the idea I've seen floating around that says Hackett was either the one indoctrinated or one of the leaders of Cerebus. Under the circumstances, it's not impossible that it would have been seeking a new user to overcome a difficulty that it was unable to handle on its own.

Respect my friend. Hope remains.   Thank you for your first paragraph.  Hopefully this seed will spiral into new speculation about the starchild or reinforce existing speculation.

That said, I do believe it's incorrect for three reasons. 1: Sovereign. 2: Harbinger. 3: the Rannoch Reaper. None of the Reapers that we've talked to have shown any capacity or desire for humility, nor have they shown any interest in ideas or plans not their own. Would you take orders or ideas from a centipede? The Reapers seem to consider us even lesser beings than the centipede. (Was originally going to use a microbe as an example, but then I remembered recent research that indicates that our intestinal bacteria may play a big part in determining our personalities.)
.

I believe Sovereign, Harbinger and the rannoch reaper are VI fear puppets. That is why I never took them seriously and never acknolwedged them as "bosses". They were nothing in the eyes of my shep.  They deserve the lowest respect in the entire series.  

Some people asked that harbinger be brought to light at the end of the game, but harbinger is a puppet devoid of free will. He is worthless compared to the grand scheme of things. This is my belief.

Have you ever had a decent conversation with harbinger? No. He is just a "fear" puppet VI.  Same with sovereign and the rannoch reaper. The starchild was the true boss. There had to be an original creator a designer. The starchild showed reason, logic, humility and decided that Shep should take control like you said.

I respect your thoughts on this.

Ms.Fancynamehere wrote...

Luzarius wrote...
  If you were open minded you would interpret this with great ease.

Excuse me, but that's single-handedly one of the most hilarious things I've ever read coming from you. 
Anyway
really luz, no one's paying attention anymore, no one cares. I highly
doubt Iorveth is going to beg for forgiveness especially when your
insulting everyones intelligence. 

I could argue with you, I
could fight but in the end your going to say "You're wrong" it's not
defeat I just know when to chose my battles. It's always been like this,
I doubt it will change.

Anyway have a nice day with... whatever
you're doing, with all your vitriol and obvious troll advertisements I'm
beginning to see why your chat is turning into the beast that it is.

Listen man. It's very easy:

Sloth = Lazy

That's all I'm trying to say.

Luzarius

Modifié par Luzarius, 13 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Oldbones2]

RGC forces Shepard to further serve the Reapers will, much like Bioware forces players to accept their flawed philosophy.

[M Hedonist]

Oh come on you guys, was really nobody other than Luzarius suprised and outraged about how the ME universe suddenly had homosexual males?
I guess so.