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EnerPrime wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

 I'm looking at you, Padok Wiks.

Hey now. Padok Wiks is awesome too.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Padok Wiks as a character. My problem lies in the fact that he completely invalidates any reason to save Mordin and do his loyalty mission in ME2, because he fulfills THE. EXACT. SAME. ROLE.

[Sangheili_1337]

I'm not sure why so many people dislike Vega. Just because hes muscular doesn't mean he is a meat head. I found the character interactions involving him well written.

[EnerPrime]

grey_wind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Padok Wiks as a character. My problem lies in the fact that he completely invalidates any reason to save Mordin and do his loyalty mission in ME2, because he fulfills THE. EXACT. SAME. ROLE.

Well, doing Mordin's loyalty mission is the only way to save Bakara's life.

And Mordin's role gets filled because the 'scientist who make genopahge cure' role is critical. It makes sense that another member of the modification team Mordin was on would step up if Mordin was dead. But yeah, it would have been nice if you had gotten both if Mordin is alive and that the cure required an extra side mission or something if Mordin was dead.

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EnerPrime wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Padok Wiks as a character. My problem lies in the fact that he completely invalidates any reason to save Mordin and do his loyalty mission in ME2, because he fulfills THE. EXACT. SAME. ROLE.

Well, doing Mordin's loyalty mission is the only way to save Bakara's life.

And Mordin's role gets filled because the 'scientist who make genopahge cure' role is critical. It makes sense that another member of the modification team Mordin was on would step up if Mordin was dead. But yeah, it would have been nice if you had gotten both if Mordin is alive and that the cure required an extra side mission or something if Mordin was dead.

I propose something simpler that requires only some changes in dialogue and a codex entry. If Wiks cures the genophage, it backfires. After the Miracle of Palevan, the Krogan exhibit an unforeseen mutation from the cure that wipes them out. So while you get the Turians on your side, you lose the Krogan. Would have made saving Mordin much more meaningful and given so much more power to the line "Someone else might've gotten it wrong".

[EnerPrime]

grey_wind wrote...

I propose something simpler that requires only some changes in dialogue and a codex entry. If Wiks cures the genophage, it backfires. After the Miracle of Palevan, the Krogan exhibit an unforeseen mutation from the cure that wipes them out. So while you get the Turians on your side, you lose the Krogan. Would have made saving Mordin much more meaningful and given so much more power to the line "Someone else might've gotten it wrong".

I don't think that would really be fair though, considering is is really easy to get Mordin killed in the collector base. He's the most likely squaddie to die on the hole the line segment, and fails at any role except crew escort. A lot of people seem fond of Wrex and the Krogan, so wiping them out because of one easy to make mistake seems very unfair to players. Maybe just have it so that the cure legitimatly doesn't work if Mordin's dead, and you lose half your Krogan support because of it. Less crippling for players who like to keep their first blind playthrough Shepard going.

[Aethgeir]

I can understand why we wouldn't get Wrex back what with the whole new Krogan Emperor thing. But what I want to know is, why did we get Vega over Grunt? There was a perfect opening for him to come back to the Normandy.

[N7Infernox]

As much as I would have liked to see Wrex as a temp squadmate, understood his reason for not joining us story-wise. I can also undertsand the point of having Vega around (sadly, he's easily overshadowed by the returning characters).

My really question is why we were forced to have Liara on the team. >_> I know she had plot relevance, but she shows zero facial expressions in this game and has extremely few dialogues on the Normandy. I would have been so much happier if I could have got Miranda to take her place b/c she just seems so boring now.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Vega was there for the Gears of War crowd.

The Gears of War crowd can't understand single player unless there is a ripped hispanic there to call out the elephant in the room.

And ever since Dom confused his lefts and rights, they've been without their center.

[EnerPrime]

N7Infernox wrote...

As much as I would have liked to see Wrex as a temp squadmate, understood his reason for not joining us story-wise. I can also undertsand the point of having Vega around (sadly, he's easily overshadowed by the returning characters).

My really question is why we were forced to have Liara on the team. >_> I know she had plot relevance, but she shows zero facial expressions in this game and has extremely few dialogues on the Normandy. I would have been so much happier if I could have got Miranda to take her place b/c she just seems so boring now.

Beacuse you need a guarunteed 'soldier-engineer-adept' triangle for squaddies, and she is the only 'adept' Squaddie who can't be dead going into ME3. She's the only Squaddie who can't be dead period going into three, but that's just dev team favoritism.

[Lyrandori]

Honestly, if Wrex is not physically present on Tuchanka to lead Urdnot and the Krogran clans, things will go bad, very bad, especially prior to finding Eve. I adore Wrex, heck I love Grunt too, and I don't like Vega much, but I would NOT have risked (as Shepard) to "force" Wrex come on the Normandy, I would have known that Wrex is needed physically on the planet rather than chasing some Cerberus mobs around the galaxy. The Krogran clans without Wrex would just turn out a blood bath, Wrex is a stabilizer over there, then Eve comes in and she helps the cause.

Instead, I would have replaced Vega with either Grunt or one of the other ex-ME2 teammates. I would have chosen Samara, Jack, Miranda or perhaps Zaeed to "replace" Vega, but not Wrex.

[slimshedim]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

well wrex can be dead.

Grunt can be dead as well but I would have preferred Grunt story wise because Wrex's attention is required elsewhere.

why didn't we at least get the option of who to recruit.

Railroad Shepard ftw! Wrex.....I could understand why he isn't a permanent squadmate (allthough it pisses me off, they could have easily given us Wrex as a temporary squadmate on Sur'Kesh ), but every teammate from ME2 being Cameos, most of them dieing in cutscenes regardless of your actions? Come on, why did we even bother an entire game gaining their loyalty or saving them in the suicide mission if they die anyway?

Vega is the human token Krogan on the Normandy. Unfortunately he's an utterly bland character that was poorly introduced, does not have enough dialogue in the game to get me to actually care about him. I think most people would have preferred a good old Krogan, like Wrex or Grunt...

Modifié par slimshedim, 14 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[Herr Igor]

Vega enjoys playing multiplayer games...

Modifié par Herr Igor, 14 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[wryterra]

Shwiggliness wrote...

 No. This is not a Vega hate thread. I dislike Vega but that's not going to be a part of this. 

But... let's take a look at Vega for a sec

-Gigantic, Burly dude
-Soldier class
-Resident dumb brute of the Normandy

Vega is Wrex without any of the charm.

It seems very obvious that Vega was created to be our new Krogan stand in.

But, we had a perfectly servicable Krogan already!

Who is Wrex?

-A Shepard Veteran
-A Close friend of Shepard (Seriously, replay Tuchanka in ME2. He ****ing loves you.)
-Someone Shepard has had a lot of personal history and experience with
-Loved by the fanbase
-Pure Badass
-Leader of the ****in' Krogan.

Now, I know every poster is about to yell about how Wrex is pre-occupied.
This could've been easily retconned or shoehorned.
E.G) Have Wrex reveal he's been training Grunt as a protege. Grunt is in charge in Wrex's abscence.
Have Wrex command the Krogan through Normandy computers


So, I just ask.... Why did Bioware choose to replace the slot of a well loved character with some new guy who's pandering to the Gears crowd?

James is the odd one out on the Normandy. Literally everyone else on the squad is an old friend (or lover) of Shepard, not counting Javik(As he is DLC, I don't count him) Hell, with the exception of EDI, it's the ME1 squad minus Wrex.

So, why didn't Wrex get off his ass and get back in the Storage Bay?

1. You need an everyman for new players to relate to.
2. He represents the Earth agenda. Shepard is human but Vega is nescessary to provide the 'return to Earth' urgency that Shepard, space-born for years, doesn't have. 
3. 'Dumb brute' only fits the description of first glance. Vega actually has a personality if you get to know him. 
4. Because everyone else on the squad is an old friend (or lover) of Shepard. New blood is not a bad thing. Mass Effect 2 proved that. That said, your argument that everyone else on board is an old friend doesn't hold water. I don't remember Traynor being in any previous game. Or Steve Cortez. 

If you think Wrex, who is holding Tuchunka together through force of will and force of personality, can do the same job by comm you're being ridiculous. No one would have been happy, from a narrative point of view, with Wrex being warped that badly to fit into an on-ship role. Arguing to have Grunt back makes more sense. 

However, Vega was one of the best additions to the game.

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EnerPrime wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

I propose something simpler that requires only some changes in dialogue and a codex entry. If Wiks cures the genophage, it backfires. After the Miracle of Palevan, the Krogan exhibit an unforeseen mutation from the cure that wipes them out. So while you get the Turians on your side, you lose the Krogan. Would have made saving Mordin much more meaningful and given so much more power to the line "Someone else might've gotten it wrong".

I don't think that would really be fair though, considering is is really easy to get Mordin killed in the collector base. He's the most likely squaddie to die on the hole the line segment, and fails at any role except crew escort. A lot of people seem fond of Wrex and the Krogan, so wiping them out because of one easy to make mistake seems very unfair to players. Maybe just have it so that the cure legitimatly doesn't work if Mordin's dead, and you lose half your Krogan support because of it. Less crippling for players who like to keep their first blind playthrough Shepard going.

That's the point though. Something small having such massive consequences would be absolutely amazing, and while it would ****** off players in the short run, in the long run it would be seen as the far more impressive route to take storytelling-wise and would really cement the idea of bad decisions on your part having terrible consequnces.
I can see your point, and the alternative you propose works, but my point is Bioware really seemed too scared to punish anybody for past choices and played it too safe in order to avoid pissing off fans on their first playthrough.

[darthnick427]

Yeah....Wrex should have been a squadmate....damn it bioware...

[Action Bawstard]

I recall one of their complaints being OMG we have so many characters to remember from the second game, how are we going to fit them all in. I feel some characters suffered as far as importance goes in order to fit the new guys in. Seriously, the fact that Diana Allers existed still baffles me.

[Herr Igor]

Vega is in Mass Effect 3 for the very same reason MULTIPLAYER is...

[incinerator950]

I like James.

I will compromise...give us both Wrex and James. **** Clan responsibility.

[FlamingBoy]

i was wondering why we got vega over a lot of characters
he is just so stupid compared to me1 and me2 characters
diana allers is the real crime

[zaeeds rage]

He wasn't terrible. He had a few funny lines, but he still ranks in my bottom 3 characters in the series. I would take any of the ME2 characters over him

[darthnick427]

I support Wrex or Grunt as the final DLC squadmate

[Pockydon]

Sod Vega, I don't hate him, but it really annoys me that we miss out on the traditional krogan squad mate because of him. Grunt could have easily filled his role.

[Allan Schumacher]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

The answer is simple any character you had the option to kill couldn't be a character in 3.

Garrus and Tali were still valid party members, but they were also available in the first.  Although, now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if he was added just to make sure you had a valid party of 3 at all times.

Although I have no major issues with Vega.  I was actually pretty impressed with Freddie Prinze Jr.'s performance.

[SirBob1613]

Well Wrex is you know a leader of a clan planning a better tomorrow for the krogan you know more important then being shepards follower

[devilsgrin]

Its enormously funny how people keep going on and on about Wrex not being in the squad. Its pretty clear... he has an entire species to lead to war. He has no business whatsoever joining Sheperd on dangerous missions whilst his species is fighting.
As much as people like him, your all thinking far too small picture.

Grunt is a great character, and in fact i like him far more than Wrex, yet considering BioWare's idiocy in making all the ME2 squadies killable, there was no chance he'd be one in 3. Garrus and Tali are a given of course. fan-service to keep us all happy.

James Vega... whats actually not to like about him. Aside from taking a spot any of our previous squadmates could have filled, he's actually a genuinely likable person. COMPLETELY unlike most of the rest of the squadmates, who are divisive at best. (both within the squad, and with the fans).
I didn't realise his voice was Freddy Prince Jr. till long after i'd decided i found it seriously sexy. "Hey." I died just a little when i realised it was FPJ... not a fan. But i guess i like his voice well enough.