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[Davnort]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Wrex is busy leading the krogan. Let the guy do his job.

Besides, Vega was fine.

i liked vega, he was a pretty cool bro

[Trentgamer]

I didn't mind Vega and I could understand why Wrex wasn't a party member. He had an awful lot to do with getting the Krogan back in shape, dealing with Eve, etc.

[alterIncogn1T0]

I still don't understand what makes Vega "the dumb one". As far as I'm concerned, he exhibits equal intelligence to other characters like Garrus or Ashley. Perhaps his backstory isn't quite as dramatic as other squadmates, but I believe that the simplicity of his background makes him a refreshing change from "My father!" and "My sister!"

As for Wrex not being in the squad selection, I actually would have liked to see BioWare do something where you can go to the Citadel and swap out certain characters for your crew. It would allow fans of particular people to have them along for missions, conversations, and snu-snu time before the Cerberus Base assault.

Perhaps too much work for the team though, considering how lack luster the ending was.

[Nobrandminda]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Garrus and Tali were still valid party members, but they were also available in the first.  Although, now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if he was added just to make sure you had a valid party of 3 at all times.

Although I have no major issues with Vega.  I was actually pretty impressed with Freddie Prinze Jr.'s performance.

I liked Vega more than I thought I would, but part of that is because the initial description of him (a character for new players to relate to) just made him sound like he would be the annoying guy who doesn't know anything.  And that's not what he turned out to be, at all.

My only real problem with him is that nothing really happens with him.  He's just sort of there, occasionally bantering with Cortez or playing poker on the Citadel.

Modifié par Nobrandminda, 14 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[TurambarEA]

I have nothing in common with Vega. I know some people will be able to relate to him but I don't think he was put in there so you could relate to him as a HUMAN but rather he's there to fill an archetypal role (big, dumb, kill everything).

Edit: imo that role could have been easily filled by a Krogan such as Grunt. Would have far preferred that too.

Modifié par TurambarEA, 14 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[malikstarks2]

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun, also had Barrier and Stasis) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Modifié par malikstarks2, 14 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[Coachdongwiffle]

Wrex was the leader of the Krogan he needed to fill that roll. Vega was a new arc line an new character with unique traits. He tells a bit about the N7 which is unique and interestng.

Modifié par Coachdongwiffle, 14 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[grey_wind]

malikstarks2 wrote...

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Actually, there's a lot of potential for Grunt if he was used right in ME3. Since he's the "perfect Krogan", having him fight on the front lines with Shep would be a huge morale boost to the rest of the Krogan, especially if Wrex knows how best to use him as propaganda. Add in something like Wrex hoping Grunt is his potential future successor, and there could be a great arc as Grunt struggles with a desire to be accepted by the Krogan versus the responsibilty he bears as the "perfect Krogan", a conflict which is fleshed out under Shep's tutelage.

[Bfler]

They could allow Wreav as squad mate. This would be a possibility to develop his character to a more tolerant and less arrogant Krogan.

[malikstarks2]

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Actually, there's a lot of potential for Grunt if he was used right in ME3. Since he's the "perfect Krogan", having him fight on the front lines with Shep would be a huge morale boost to the rest of the Krogan, especially if Wrex knows how best to use him as propaganda. Add in something like Wrex hoping Grunt is his potential future successor, and there could be a great arc as Grunt struggles with a desire to be accepted by the Krogan versus the responsibilty he bears as the "perfect Krogan", a conflict which is fleshed out under Shep's tutelage.

I don't disagree per se, and wouldn't have objected to grunt being a squadmate, but I also think much of what you write is basically either hinted upon in ME 3 (Grunt as perhaps future successor), or dealt with as a secondary plotline in ME 2 (balancing Okeer's vision with being accepted into Krogan culture).

[grey_wind]

malikstarks2 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Actually, there's a lot of potential for Grunt if he was used right in ME3. Since he's the "perfect Krogan", having him fight on the front lines with Shep would be a huge morale boost to the rest of the Krogan, especially if Wrex knows how best to use him as propaganda. Add in something like Wrex hoping Grunt is his potential future successor, and there could be a great arc as Grunt struggles with a desire to be accepted by the Krogan versus the responsibilty he bears as the "perfect Krogan", a conflict which is fleshed out under Shep's tutelage.

I don't disagree per se, and wouldn't have objected to grunt being a squadmate, but I also think much of what you write is basically either hinted upon in ME 3 (Grunt as perhaps future successor), or dealt with as a secondary plotline in ME 2 (balancing Okeer's vision with being accepted into Krogan culture).

Fair enough, but it being fleshed out would have been a lot more interesting than just getting hints about. Then again, the same can be said for the rest of the ME2 squad, where all their potential is thrown out an airlock.

[malikstarks2]

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Actually, there's a lot of potential for Grunt if he was used right in ME3. Since he's the "perfect Krogan", having him fight on the front lines with Shep would be a huge morale boost to the rest of the Krogan, especially if Wrex knows how best to use him as propaganda. Add in something like Wrex hoping Grunt is his potential future successor, and there could be a great arc as Grunt struggles with a desire to be accepted by the Krogan versus the responsibilty he bears as the "perfect Krogan", a conflict which is fleshed out under Shep's tutelage.

I don't disagree per se, and wouldn't have objected to grunt being a squadmate, but I also think much of what you write is basically either hinted upon in ME 3 (Grunt as perhaps future successor), or dealt with as a secondary plotline in ME 2 (balancing Okeer's vision with being accepted into Krogan culture).

Fair enough, but it being fleshed out would have been a lot more interesting than just getting hints about. Then again, the same can be said for the rest of the ME2 squad, where all their potential is thrown out an airlock.

I can agree, to add to that when comparing the two squads ME1 to ME2. The ME 2 squad actually has a bit more depth and potential in terms of story (but instead we get stuck with ME 1 squad only this time).

While, as I said, Grunt himself is not that deep a character his story, I will agree, has plenty of potential that is somewhat wasted. However I think the greater crimes are Thane, Jack and even Miranda to some extent.

Also would have been interesting to see the Geth (through Legion) interacting with "The Old Machines" perhaps using subtitles.

Alot could have been done, but as I have said in other posts, Bioware did JUST ENOUGH with this game, and nothing more. They seemed to have grown tired and lost the passion for the series, which is a shame.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 14 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Primalrose]

Considering the amount of squadmates that could die in the suicide mission, it was a good idea to introduce a new character, but still doesn't excuse the fact that none of the squadmates introduced in ME2 will actually rejoin your team. I liked Vega and didn't mind him, but I think people wouldn't be so bugged about him if more ME2 squadmates could rejoin you again.

Modifié par Primalrose, 14 avril 2012 - 05:39 .

[Marcus Lee]

James is a boring character.....

[Nostradamoose]

I liked vega, he was somewhat cool...

But hell, I'd have paid to have Wrex again...

[Mad-Max90]

Grunt...I had hopes of being able to fight along side him. He had soooooo much potential in ME3 but we were stuck with Vega, why, so new players could have somebody "dumber" than them in the game

[Sephistrife21]

I'd like to point out the glaringly obvious plan Bioware has to release DLC where you get a Krogan companion. Mass Effect 3 is the only game where you can't get a Krogan companion normally, and there is really no reason why Grunt can't join you after the Rachni mission. Just saying, I think it's really obvious Bioware wants some extra cash for that Krogan pal being in the campaign.

[Lord Stark]

Wrex has to lead the Krogan.

[We Tigers]

alterIncogn1T0 wrote...

I still don't understand what makes Vega "the dumb one". As far as I'm concerned, he exhibits equal intelligence to other characters like Garrus or Ashley. Perhaps his backstory isn't quite as dramatic as other squadmates, but I believe that the simplicity of his background makes him a refreshing change from "My father!" and "My sister!"

I agree.  James is in no way written as a dumb character, and he's in fact quite thoughtful.  Actually, I found his demeanor more like Kaidan than any other previous squadmate.  People just assume he's dumb because he's a big beefy dude.  I enjoy his storyline and thought his friendship and banter with Cortez was one of the better NPC relationships in the game.

Also, he's an absolute beast in combat.  My adept Shep ran with him and Garrus for most of the game.  Those frag grenades and the +20% to team health and shields are some of the best abilities you can get.

[grey_wind]

malikstarks2 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

Wrex would have been way overpowered (extremely high health, biotic, Krogan rage, assault rifle/shotgun) as he was in ME 1 in my opinion. Also as has been mentioned he is basically the defacto Krogan king, it just wouldn't be appropriate given his responsibilities.

As far as Grunt, don't get me wrong, I love Grunt, but he would add nothing to the story as a squad mate at this point. His story in ME 2 was about being brought up under Shepard's tutelage. We see that in ME 3 as he is now leading a squad of his own. Plus he was always VERY proud of being Krogan and wondering how he would fit in. Again this also comes to a culmination in ME 3.

To go back now, and take orders from Shepard would be stunting his development (and what Okeer envisioned for him). He was never that deep of a character.

I also like Vega and want to see what else they do with his character going forward

Actually, there's a lot of potential for Grunt if he was used right in ME3. Since he's the "perfect Krogan", having him fight on the front lines with Shep would be a huge morale boost to the rest of the Krogan, especially if Wrex knows how best to use him as propaganda. Add in something like Wrex hoping Grunt is his potential future successor, and there could be a great arc as Grunt struggles with a desire to be accepted by the Krogan versus the responsibilty he bears as the "perfect Krogan", a conflict which is fleshed out under Shep's tutelage.

I don't disagree per se, and wouldn't have objected to grunt being a squadmate, but I also think much of what you write is basically either hinted upon in ME 3 (Grunt as perhaps future successor), or dealt with as a secondary plotline in ME 2 (balancing Okeer's vision with being accepted into Krogan culture).

Fair enough, but it being fleshed out would have been a lot more interesting than just getting hints about. Then again, the same can be said for the rest of the ME2 squad, where all their potential is thrown out an airlock.

I can agree, to add to that when comparing the two squads ME1 to ME2. The ME 2 squad actually has alot more depth and potential in terms of story (but instead we get stuck with ME 1 squad only this time).

While, as I said, Grunt himself is not that deep a character his story, I will agree, has plenty of potential that is somewhat wasted. However I think the greater crimes are Thane, Jack and even Miranda to some extent.

Also would have been interesting to see the Geth (through Legion) interacting with "The Old Machines" perhaps using subtitles.

Alot could have been done, but as I have said in other posts, Bioware did JUST ENOUGH with this game, and nothing more. They seemed to have grown tired and lost the passion for the series, which is a shame.

Oh yes. Grunt was far from the worst crime in terms of wasted story potential. In fact, the entire Cerberus conflict was begging for Miranda and Jack, and to a lesser extent, Jacob.
I agree with you on how they did 'just enough'. It really feels like everytime they had an option, they mostly took the lazy and easy way out. I can understand some of these being design constraints, but a lot of them don't feel like it was because there were limited resources but rather that they just didn't care to put in the effort.

[noobcannon]

tali was able to join us after rannoch. why couldn't wrex join us after tuchanka? i don't mind vega, but would much rather have wrex.

Sephistrife21 wrote...

I'd like to point out the glaringly obvious plan Bioware has to release DLC where you get a Krogan companion. Mass Effect 3 is the only game where you can't get a Krogan companion normally, and there is really no reason why Grunt can't join you after the Rachni mission. Just saying, I think it's really obvious Bioware wants some extra cash for that Krogan pal being in the campaign.

 

i have a feeling you're right. although i hope we get wrex instead of grunt.

Modifié par noobcannon, 14 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[TeaCokeProphet]

I Liara can be the Shadow Broker while running around with you, Wrex can lead the Krogan while kicking ass. At least let him be temporary on Tuchanka. I was begging for it...

[SilentK]

grey_wind wrote...

SilentK wrote...

But there has to be a full squad from the beginning of the game, you start with Liara. And, you need 1 soldier, 1 tech and 1 biotic no matter the choices that were done in the previous games. Don't believe that a new player would feel much incentive to by the older games if the gameplay doesn't work.

Besides, I can say that after losing Tali when playing blind on my 1:st FemShep, thought I could paragon myself out of that situation, yes you can make bad decisions and I suffered for it. Killing Wrex also makes life very very different.

Then the game shouldn't be designed to screw over newcomers. They could make it that you got most of your squad out alive for a newcomer, instead of giving them the worst situation possible.
And yes, while your decisions can matter in the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs, BW still took the easy and lazy way out in a lot of situations. I'm looking at you, Padok Wiks.

Hmm... haven't played ME3-new so I take it that no one from ME2 is there? Well, I guess that's the reward for those who imported games then. But, as you need someone who is "new" to all the info in the game and a soldier. Getting this in one go is pretty clever. I think it's a good solution and since I really like Vega I wouldn't trade him for anything.


Now they just have to release the last bit to the romance-arc with FemShep. They allready have the start of it in the game   =)    

[rpgfan321]

Wrex is busy during the game for Tuchanka.

[HiddenKING]

noobcannon wrote...

tali was able to join us after rannoch. why couldn't wrex join us after tuchanka? i don't mind vega, but would much rather have wrex.

There are other Admirals, and she is the youngest and the one with less... responsibilities (maybe not the word I'm lookin for but it works). Where Wrex has to keep the Krogan's thick skulls in line.

Modifié par HiddenKING, 14 avril 2012 - 06:48 .