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[david46]

Bioware did not want to spend the money to write different scenarios based on the character choices in the suicide mission unless there were thousands of forum pages devoted to the character. Grunt did not get enough love on the forums. His part in the game could have easily been changed to a generic Krogan, maybe even Wreav.

The paragon Shep who values honesty gives a full report to the admirals at the trial, loses Tali's loyalty and she does not survive. So for the Geth/Quarian war they wrote two scripts, one for Tali and one for Admiral Raan. If you have Raan she goes along but not as a squad mate. If you do not broker a peace and choose the Geth she puts a gun to her head and pulls the trigger. No face shot or reverse dive.

[the red boon]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

The answer is simple any character you had the option to kill couldn't be a character in 3.

Garrus and Tali were still valid party members, but they were also available in the first.  Although, now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if he was added just to make sure you had a valid party of 3 at all times.

Although I have no major issues with Vega.  I was actually pretty impressed with Freddie Prinze Jr.'s performance.

He didn't sound Hispanic at all. 

[grey_wind]

the red boon wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

The answer is simple any character you had the option to kill couldn't be a character in 3.

Garrus and Tali were still valid party members, but they were also available in the first.  Although, now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if he was added just to make sure you had a valid party of 3 at all times.

Although I have no major issues with Vega.  I was actually pretty impressed with Freddie Prinze Jr.'s performance.

He didn't sound Hispanic at all. 

Doesn't have to. Not every Hispanic who lives in the US talks with a foreign accent. To boot, Freddie Prinnze is also part-Hispanic. 

[The Night Mammoth]

ajm317 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

ajm317 wrote...

A point that hasn't been mentioned yet is that I'm sure Bioware felt they needed to have at least a couple human squadmates. Developers, both in games and in movies, get very hung up on how people supposedly can't relate with aliens and robots. The main character is always human, and he always needs at least a couple human support characters.

Vega and VS are it. Wrex and Grunt are about as far from human as you can get. Throw in the fact that they needed a soldier character who was guaranteed to be alive and their only real option was to create a new human soldier.

Thus Vega.

Surely Shepard fills that spot. Liara, Tali and Garrus are more relatable than Vega, even EDI is pretty relatable with her journey to find 'humanity'. Grunt and Javik would be the two alien characters. 

Every ME game has had at least 2 human squadmates.

There is a very real perception in the entertainment industry that many viewers will not relate as well to non-human characters.  That's not to say you can't have them, but there has to be a core of humans that the rest of the show/movie/game can revolve around.

Star Wars, Star Trek, B5, all of them have got a core human cast.  Even Transformers has humans at the center.

No arguments there, to be honest. 

What I really don't understand is why we have so few teammates when there are a group of ME2 characters that could have joined you on the Normandy. 

Sure, keep Vega, I don't actually mind his character and I think the actor who voiced him was great, but for players who completed ME2 and did everything right, just give the opportunity.

Wrex is busy doing other things, I'd never argue for him to join your squad. Same with Mordin, and Legion, Thane, and Jacob. The rest though have little else to do, so there's no reason why the couldn't. 

[SaladinDheonqar]

I didn't mind Vega too much, and I understand he was there for the newer players. However, it would've been nice to have Wrex or some of the other ME2 squadmates available as well. Still, it made sense that Wrex had other things to worry about during the events of ME3 and couldn't tag along (though it would've nice if he joined you temporarily for the tuchanka/genophage missions).

[Kroepoek]

Vega was pretty ok, but to sacrifice an already established character for it... no.

Don't get me started on EDI in a body. Stupid as hell. They probably put more work in her body than they did in the ending.

[digby69]

cos wrex is dead

[Necrotron]

Vega was a cool character.

I was kinda confused about why I was 'buddy buddy' with this guy I'd never met before though.

[Y3Y00]

He's got his aggressive, irrational people to keep at bay, those Krogan cannot be tamed, and I'm sure Wreav would've taken Wrex's absence for his advantage and try to take over the Urdnot clan, but I would've loved to have Grunt, unfortunately he's busy with his own team of Krogan.

[Candidate 88766]

You need a soldier, a biotic and a tech squadmember to ensure a balanced party even if all other possible characters have died. Liara and EDI cover the biotic and tech bases, so they needed a soldier to fill the last role.

I quite liked him.

I would've liked for Grunt to join the crew if you saved him though. The Normandy didn't feel right without a krogan, and Wrex has better stuff to be doing.

[ExtendedCut]

Grasich wrote...

Vega seemed rather unnecessary to me. There's not really any reason to have a "team noob" on the final part of a trilogy that is so focused on the previous games. All he really added even for that was just a couple instances of having things explained to him really early on. Kind of a waste to make a full character just for that.

Totally agree.  Take the best Sci-Fi trilogy of all time, for example - the original Star Wars trilogy.  They didn't introduce a random, new protagonist in Return of the Jedi, did they?  George Lucas didn't see the need to "re-explain" the trilogy to the noobs who never saw the first two movies.

Unless you count the Ewoks as new protagonists, I guess.  So, is Vega the "Wicket the Ewok" of Mass Effect?

[wiggums91]

With the 'new players can relate to' thing, It would have made more sense to have grunt, cause EVERYTHING in the ME universe is new to him

[Scott2998]

Wrex became over rated after ME 1. He was cool in ME 1, then went all responsible adult on us.

[Qutayba]

I think they missed some opportunities with Vega and Allers. Neither get fleshed out very much. Vega has some interesting quirks introduced early in the game that set him up as a foil for Shepard - he is what Shepard used to be, learning to deal with the responsibilities of command. But then they just seem to drop it. You do get that N7 story later on, but we don't really get to see Vega evolve as a character. He seems to have fewer dialogues between missions than the other squadmates - it's usually "What is there to talk about?" or one-liners. It's almost as if they wanted to keep him one-dimensional.

And whether you liked Chobot or not, there was some potential with the Allers character - a civilian on a military ship during a war. There were many interesting issues about the press in wartime that were hinted at but never developed - censorship from above, and self-censorship, etc. And what about the stresses of a civilian discovering the horrors of war? I'm not saying she should have been a main character, but there was so much opportunity to give depth to her character in ways that supported the story rather than just tacking her on. Take a look at Cortez and Traynor, by comparison. They don't get that much screen time, but they react to the story and evolve as characters over the course of the narrative.

[txmn1016]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

The answer is simple any character you had the option to kill couldn't be a character in 3.

Garrus and Tali were still valid party members, but they were also available in the first.  Although, now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if he was added just to make sure you had a valid party of 3 at all times.

Although I have no major issues with Vega.  I was actually pretty impressed with Freddie Prinze Jr.'s performance.

I didn't even recognize that it was him until they did the little character featurette.  When I found out I was really surprised.  Surprised but pleased.  Good for him! 

[DamonD7]

Vega's okay, I just didn't have a clue whatsoever who he was and why my Shep seemed like friends with him.

He was the Jacob for ME3. Without the creepy come-on lines.

Modifié par DamonD7, 14 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Gemini1179]

I had no issues with Vega. My femShep tortured him a bit.

[Zuka999]

Honestly, Wrex should have at least been a temporary squadmate during the time he was on the Normandy, with the ability to use him, or not. I get that the excuse is, "he has to lead a race!" or whatever, but the Krogan still value warriors. For Wrex to go out and kick ass on the frontlines like a true krogan sets an example for all of them, they'd respect him even more.

[ExtendedCut]

And whether you liked Chobot or not, there was some potential with the Allers character - a civilian on a military ship during a war. There were many interesting issues about the press in wartime that were hinted at but never developed - censorship from above, and self-censorship, etc. And what about the stresses of a civilian discovering the horrors of war? I'm not saying she should have been a main character, but there was so much opportunity to give depth to her character in ways that supported the story rather than just tacking her on. Take a look at Cortez and Traynor, by comparison. They don't get that much screen time, but they react to the story and evolve as characters over the course of the narrative.

I understand your opinion here, but they could have easily used Kalisa Bin Sinan Al-Julani in this spot, who's voice actor was MUCH better and wouldn't be despised from the start due to the "IGN in-game-ad" rumor.

[Catroi]

I understand why they didn't put Wrex as a squadmate, Hell PS3 gamers can't have him! But seriously Grunt should have been there instead of Vega even though I don't really mind him

[Turran]

Didn't they want a character new players to the series could relate to?

So even though Vega wouldn't of been my first choice, he makes sense to have around when a new player is thrusted into the universe. Ah well, Wrex and Grunt both had badass roles anyway.

[Navasha]

To me its pretty simple. Wrex is a bigger character on his own. He is fast becoming the leader of the Krogan people... kind of a hard thing to do riding around on a human ship playing sidekick.

[tvman099]

Wrex is busy trying to hold the krogan together in part so that they'll be ready to contribute when the Reapers show up. He's one former teammate whose absence from the Normandy makes perfect sense and that I never had a problem with.

[shrimprahmen]

he has a bigger responsibilty as the leader of the krogan race. he wants to go with you but he has to stay where he is and lead his people in the defense of the future of his home and his people. Vega is not so bad. had no issues other than wish we could have gotten a little more back story.

[Brother Takka]

I miss having a Krogan. But Vega is a bad ass.and I do like him.