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[-Skorpious-]

I would have loved Vega if they gave him a proper introduction. Forcing players to read non-game related media to become familiar with a squadmate was a horrible, horrible decision.

[drawnacrol]

Vega was useful up until you get Garrus.

[stysiaq]

1. There is enough Wrex in the game, you don't really need him in squad anymore
2. Vega has charm. If the endings wouldn't be so appaling, I'd play ME3 again and took Vega constantly, just to hear his lines, cause the first Time Garrus and Javik were my first choice.

[IElitePredatorI]

I sorta prefer Wrex...

[txmn1016]

I liked him as a squad mate but would have preferred if he was an LI. Instead he was just a big tease.

[panamakira]

Tommyspa wrote...

One reason you listed...He's the leader of the Krogan...

Exactly plus like it was said earlier, also so new players can relate. Vega is cool, man. Never got the Vega-hate.

[CroGamer002]

1. Wrex can die in ME1
2. Wrex is leader of clan Urdnot, most powerful clan on Tuchanka
3. We needed new squadmate since only 3 people will always live for ME3. Correction, 2. Ashley or Kaidan has to die in ME1
4. Help to introduce new players with characters that doesn't know much outside of Alliance space by asking questions to other characters or Shepard instead of Shepard being a derp and asking stuff he/she should already know
5. Vega is, imo and I know I'll get a lot of heat for it, better then Wrex and in same level as Garrus

[Siansonea]

Because Vega has nothing better to do.

Seriously, why do people think it's a good thing if the leader of the krogan decides to chuck all that so he can run around as part of Shepard's fire team? Instead of being a leader in his own right, people would rather have Wrex be a follower. What a neutered badass that would be. You know, like Garrus. The only time Garrus was ever really making a difference was when he wasn't on the Normandy. Well, except for in ME3. He worked so hard to get the turians to prepare for the Reapers. But if Garrus died in the Suicide Mission in ME2, you know how much less prepared the turians are? 0%. That's right, Garrus' efforts make absolutely no difference in the way things play out on Palaven. If Garrus isn't around, the big difference is GARRUS ISN'T AROUND.

Same with Wrex, I'm afraid. If he's out of the picture, Wreav says and does pretty much the same thing, with a more "OMG the krogan are so going to dominate the galaxy after the war" twist. But the events of ME3 play out EXACTLY THE SAME, with only cosmetic differences. Wreav is as capable a leader as Wrex, only less chummy with humans and other aliens than Wrex is. And when you think about it, Wrex might be the better krogan leader for the rest of the galaxy, but Wreav might be the better krogan leader for the krogan.

[zaeeds rage]

Siansonea II wrote...

Because Vega has nothing better to do.

Seriously, why do people think it's a good thing if the leader of the krogan decides to chuck all that so he can run around as part of Shepard's fire team? Instead of being a leader in his own right, people would rather have Wrex be a follower. What a neutered badass that would be. You know, like Garrus. The only time Garrus was ever really making a difference was when he wasn't on the Normandy. Well, except for in ME3. He worked so hard to get the turians to prepare for the Reapers. But if Garrus died in the Suicide Mission in ME2, you know how much less prepared the turians are? 0%. That's right, Garrus' efforts make absolutely no difference in the way things play out on Palaven. If Garrus isn't around, the big difference is GARRUS ISN'T AROUND.

Same with Wrex, I'm afraid. If he's out of the picture, Wreav says and does pretty much the same thing, with a more "OMG the krogan are so going to dominate the galaxy after the war" twist. But the events of ME3 play out EXACTLY THE SAME, with only cosmetic differences. Wreav is as capable a leader as Wrex, only less chummy with humans and other aliens than Wrex is. And when you think about it, Wrex might be the better krogan leader for the rest of the galaxy, but Wreav might be the better krogan leader for the krogan.

Well said. That's one of problems I have with the series. It beats the drum about choices, but consequences are minimal at best. Events play nearly identical no matter what you do. I thought in ME3, we'd finally see the consequences of our decisions, but as you said, they are cosmetic. The rachni queen has a clone, Legion has a clone, Wiks replaces Mordin and can cure the genophage, Wreav replaces Wrex. I could go on. We get choices, but little in the way of consequences. I quit my 2nd play through 2/3rds of the way when every character I let die had a replacement with the same animations, similar dialogue, and outcomes. 

[General User]

An Alliance Marine serving on an Alliance warship?  Shocking!

One of the things I like about Wrex in ME2+3 is that he doesn't make Shepard the centre of his existence.  Garrus and especially Tali, even Liara to an extent, could learn a thing or two from Wrex.

[matthewmi]

Vega is a great squadmate, good voice acting etc...was surprised I liked him. Also umm Wrex was busy leading the Krogan.

[Stegoceras]

Just think of the outcries when people realize they got the exact line-up from ME1 (minus Virmire casualty aka EDI the replacement for Kaiden or James for Ashley)

[General User]

Shwiggliness wrote...
But... let's take a look at Vega for a sec

-Gigantic, Burly dude
-Soldier class
-Resident dumb brute of the Normandy

Vega is Wrex without any of the charm.

Vega has a charm all his own.  If you can't or don't find it particularly... charming, I don't know what to tell you... more's the pity you I guess.

Shwiggliness wrote...
It seems very obvious that Vega was created to be our new Krogan stand in.

The krogan race never had a monopoly on hard-hitting, straight-up combatants.

Shwiggliness wrote...
But, we had a perfectly servicable Krogan already!

You mean Grunt?  Grunt, as a serving infantry officer in the krogan military, would have been a sensible potential addition to the team in ME3.  The most powerful Clan Chief on Tuchanka would not.

Shwiggliness wrote...
Who is Wrex?

-A Shepard Veteran
-A Close friend of Shepard (Seriously, replay Tuchanka in ME2. He ****ing loves you.)
-Someone Shepard has had a lot of personal history and experience with
-Loved by the fanbase
-Pure Badass
-Leader of the ****in' Krogan.

All of which makes Wrex worthy of inclusion in the game.  None of which speaks strongly for his inclusion as a squadmate.

Shwiggliness wrote...
Now, I know every poster is about to yell about how Wrex is pre-occupied.
This could've been easily retconned or shoehorned.
E.G) Have Wrex reveal he's been training Grunt as a protege. Grunt is in charge in Wrex's abscence.
Have Wrex command the Krogan through Normandy computers

Every poster is telling you that because it's true.  Besides putting in as squadmates characters who have (or should have) moved on with their lives (*coughtalicough*) just because they're fan favorites is lame all by itself.

Shwiggliness wrote...
So, I just ask.... Why did Bioware choose to replace the slot of a well loved character with some new guy who's pandering to the Gears crowd?

Gears is a good game.

Shwiggliness wrote...
James is the odd one out on the Normandy. Literally everyone else on the squad is an old friend (or lover) of Shepard, not counting Javik(As he is DLC, I don't count him) Hell, with the exception of EDI, it's the ME1 squad minus Wrex.

I don't know why Bioware made the right decision in Wrex's case and left him out of the squad (I half suspect that it was by accident) but I'm glad that they did.

Modifié par General User, 14 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[miekojn]

Replaying ME1 atm, and it reminds me why I friggin' love Wrex. His voice, his badassness, his lines. (Heard a new one at the Thorian level: "And they say I'm ugly" lol) Gotta say I like him even more than Garrus. I love having him on the team, but I like it how it is now as well. Wrex has a very important role as the Krogan leader.
But Vega.... he's too much of a stereotype, which makes him boring. And I like aliens more than humans. They're more interesting. I think him and Ash would make a good couple by the way
But what really annoys me is that he just is there, out of nowhere, and shepard's acting like they've known each other for months. No explanation whatsoever. It's like a big part of the beginning is missing. The trial, the things shepard did in the past months, all that.
What I would like as a squaddie is another asari, but one that's not that much into biotics, but more tech.

Modifié par miekojn, 14 avril 2012 - 06:20 .

[Sohlito]

Vega was cool. He grew on me. Now that big ole bulky, bean burrito is permanent and card-carrying member of my ME Bro Squad.

[BinaryHelix101]

Wrex's role among the Krogan had changed. He doesn't have the time to run around the galaxy with you.

Vega was fine, Wrex's role as an NPC was fine. That's my opinion at least.

[Random Geth]

I love how the OP says that Vega whining isn't going to be part of this and then immediately starts whining about Vega. Good old BSN.

[BatmanPWNS]

Dragoni89 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Wrex is a Vanguard. Vega is a soldier. Without Ash, you don't have any soldier in the team. Guess who they added to compensate?

um Garrus?
um last I check Javik says he is a solider.
did I mention soldiers suck in mp gold? and in general

Uh? I meant the soldier class. Garrus is an Infiltrator and Javik is an Adept. Secondly, even if the Soldier class sucks, the ME games have always had squadmates with the 3 main classes (Soldier, Adept and Engineer). Grunt and Wrex could die in previous games. If their dead then some people may be without a powerhouse.

I would like Grunt/Wrex too but it's pretty obvious why Vega was added.

[lazorblast]

Its not just the absence of Wrex that annoys me, its the absence of ANY krogan in the squad. To be fair though, I like Vega. Hes pure soldier. Its in his blood. I like that It helps hes acctualy likeable and not a total jerk

[zenogeasu]

As others have said, they needed a viable option for the 3 character types (soldier, tech, biotic) available to the player. Storywise, Wrex, if he's alive, is leading the Krogans.

For Grunt (if he was let out of the tank and is still alive), do you think Grunt would stick with Shepard on Earth with nothing to fight from the end of Arrival until the beginning of 3? At the earliest, you would have gotten him once you got to Tuchanka. And if you got him early enough to use him on the bomb mission on Tuchanka, they would have needed to rewrite that a bit. The Turians are trying to hide a bomb they planted from the Krogans, and yet there's a Krogan from the most powerful clan involved in the mission.

[Noatz]

Shwiggliness wrote...

 No. This is not a Vega hate thread. I dislike Vega but that's not going to be a part of this. 

But... let's take a look at Vega for a sec

-Gigantic, Burly dude
-Soldier class
-Resident dumb brute of the Normandy

Vega is Wrex without any of the charm.

It seems very obvious that Vega was created to be our new Krogan stand in.

But, we had a perfectly servicable Krogan already!

Who is Wrex?

-A Shepard Veteran
-A Close friend of Shepard (Seriously, replay Tuchanka in ME2. He ****ing loves you.)
-Someone Shepard has had a lot of personal history and experience with
-Loved by the fanbase
-Pure Badass
-Leader of the ****in' Krogan.

Now, I know every poster is about to yell about how Wrex is pre-occupied.
This could've been easily retconned or shoehorned.
E.G) Have Wrex reveal he's been training Grunt as a protege. Grunt is in charge in Wrex's abscence.
Have Wrex command the Krogan through Normandy computers


So, I just ask.... Why did Bioware choose to replace the slot of a well loved character with some new guy who's pandering to the Gears crowd?

James is the odd one out on the Normandy. Literally everyone else on the squad is an old friend (or lover) of Shepard, not counting Javik(As he is DLC, I don't count him) Hell, with the exception of EDI, it's the ME1 squad minus Wrex.

So, why didn't Wrex get off his ass and get back in the Storage Bay?

You make a poor criticism of it, comparing Vega to Wrex like that. The only thing they actually have in common is both being "gigantic, burly dudes". Wrex is a Vanguard, and far from the resident dumb brute of the Normandy. You can argue for Vega being less interesting, and you'd be right, but they are not the same character at all. Vega is definitely more like Grunt than Wrex.

More reasons

• He's a bit busy leading his people (been covered), and "retconning or shohorning" him in would break Wrex's character and create a far worse problem than what this thread was wrote about.
• Since its possible he died in 1, it would add yet another squadmate slot that could simply be empty. With Garrus and Tali dead in a save this could reduce your max available squadmates without the DLC to two. Nice variety. Not to mention after Kaiden/Ash gets punked on Mars you would be unable to field a second squadmate until after Priority: Palaven under these circumstances.
• At the point Vega joins you (right after the intro), it would make zero sense for Wrex to join.
• There's nothing wrong with them writing a new character. Most of your squad is made from returning characters (4/7, or 5/7 depending on how you view EDI). There's quite enough fan favourites already in the game.