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Hudathan wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Also if you like this guy's vids.

then i suggest also watching this guy's vids. Very well informed and are completely unbiased.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBtongue

You can't possibly believe that.


How many people pay him for reviews?

None

How many people does he answer to as his 'boss'?

None

He went on his own and made his own videos. Therefore, completely unbiased by outside advertisement/media. 

just another fan who loves mass effect..he says it himself in the video.

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Lookout1390 wrote...

How many people pay him for reviews?

None

How many people does he answer to as his 'boss'?

None

He went on his own and made his own videos. Therefore, completely unbiased by outside advertisement/media. 

just another fan who loves mass effect..he says it himself in the video.

Just because no one paid him to make this video doesn't mean that he can't have a completely biased opinion on the whole topic.

You can say that he speaks eloquently for a lot of fans, but that doesn't make him unbiased.

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Hudathan wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

How many people pay him for reviews?

None

How many people does he answer to as his 'boss'?

None

He went on his own and made his own videos. Therefore, completely unbiased by outside advertisement/media. 

just another fan who loves mass effect..he says it himself in the video.

Just because no one paid him to make this video doesn't mean that he can't have a completely biased opinion on the whole topic.

You can say that he speaks eloquently for a lot of fans, but that doesn't make him unbiased.


You're right, he is totally biased against bioware and is purposely making these videos to attack them.
<_<

He has loved and supported bioware's games for a long time...once again..MENTIONED in the video.

He is staying neutral and just pointing out the fallacies and plot-holes that is this horrible ending we got to ME3.

He doesn't get any self-benefit from this video, other than to share the video/facts with other people of the fanbase for further discussion.

I still don't get how that makes him biased though...

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That's just my thoughts. THERE IS NO ENDING TO ME3!!! The endings are missing, it's unfinished.

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szkasypcze wrote...

That's just my thoughts. THERE IS NO ENDING TO ME3!!! The endings are missing, it's unfinished.


I certainly hope you're right.

Cause I'm sure as hell not content with this bowl of dog**** they fed us, that which they call the 'ME3 ending'.

Though alot of people seem to be okay with subpar/plot-hole riddled writing.

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His best point was about how the game is ours as well as theirs. I've been saying it for a while, but he puts a lot of feeling into it which makes it completely effective. He's right too. BioWare created something special, and they should be proud. The second Mass Effect 1 left the studio, they gave us a shared experience; it took on a life of its own. It just seems wrong to shackle it like this.

Personally, if I was given the task of writing the ending, I would have written something where I could proudly say that I came up with something that both I and the fans would love. It seems like they ran with an idea they liked, but didn't consider what it would do.

With a game like Mass Effect, you have a responsibility to yourselves as creators, but your supporters are as important. They do understand this from parts we see elsewhere in the game, but the writing of the ending just felt a little... selfish. I don't intend that to sound condescending, but it's kind of true. Someone ran with what they wanted, and didn't consider everyone else.

Honestly, the ending of this game should have practically written itself. There was no need to sit down and think up a cool ending because it would have had one anyways. All they needed to do was stick by the great work that had already been done.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 14 avril 2012 - 06:59 .


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The man was able to eloquently sum up how many of us feel. Guys who can speak and convey their thoughts this well are the ones companies want to ignore.

They would rather paint the vocal unhappy fans as whiny teens. Sure, some of us are, but just about any large group with a negative opinion is going to have some whiny teens. You see many late 20's/30's/40's gamers on here who never posted on a gaming forum all of a sudden speak up, me included.

Modifié par Blc949, 14 avril 2012 - 07:02 .


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This basically summarizes the emotional attachment many have to the series. Excellent video.

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Lookout1390 wrote...

szkasypcze wrote...

That's just my thoughts. THERE IS NO ENDING TO ME3!!! The endings are missing, it's unfinished.


I certainly hope you're right.

Cause I'm sure as hell not content with this bowl of dog**** they fed us, that which they call the 'ME3 ending'.

Though alot of people seem to be okay with subpar/plot-hole riddled writing.




I do not think it will get better. IT WILL GET WORSE. They will still pretend that they do not understand why we are angry for stealing our shoes, and will feed us with unrelevant DLC like the multi packs and stuff. Look how many DLCs ME2 had. ME3 is far more complex and it gets some videos??? This is another example of their asking us: Hey, what is your problem?? What do you want??

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My opinion on ENDINGS and STOP, which I find very accurate comparison. If you look at ME1 and ME2, you know that they are parts of a bigger picture. They have their own stories, self contained and written form the beginning to The End. You would never say that they are not ended or concluded. Although they are a small part of a bigger story - they are concluded. The story in them ended, even though it was continued afterwards.

ME3 did not END. There is confusion here. THERE ARE NO ENDINGS. There are EXCUSES. And the most bacsic question here is WHY?? THE ARTISTIC VISION they are proud of?? This is good for 10 year olds.

Face it Bioware. You have spoiled 5 years of your hard work, not to mention lost trust of MANY fans. The Artistic Vision has nothing to do with this. It's just another excuse.

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The guys' shoe analogy was, . . . different; I mean I can understand it at least. He made sense though in his opinion of the extended cut, I feel the same way.

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Damn Bioware for stealing his shoes. I really agree with his points. I love listening to people like him.

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Ok the guy is 100% biased, he states his point of view. But how does that make all of his points moot ??

I mean I don't agree with all of his point but some are quite irrefutebale.

To resume what he said the extended cut failed because it is supposed to bring closure to something that does not need it. If you like the current endings or if you hate them you don't need Bioware to explain them now, do you ? I mean they are pretty self explanatory.
Also what pains him is the attitude Bioware takes regarding their complaining consumers, and I think everyone can agree that they have been pretty smug.

The analogy meant to make you see his point, not to be taken literally, Loyalty was earned, it is now lost, that's it. It is HIS opinion, he's not trying to make you do anything, just to explain why he (and a fair number of people) will be prudent regarding future bioware products. Personnaly I think the analogy is a little too strong, the loyalty I have to my friends is not the same as the loyalty I can have for a company (and it is easier to lose), but I see his point.

So yeah the guy states mostly his opinion and why he thinks that way but his points are valid, don't dismiss them just because you happen to like the ending.

Modifié par julio77777, 14 avril 2012 - 07:33 .


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julio77777 wrote...

Ok the guy is 100% biased, he states his point of view. But how does that make all of his points moot ??


People need to understand that bias is not innately bad. Doing something, completely bias free, is virtually impossible. As humans, the vast majority of our existance is based on intellectually ingesting the messages of our environment. When it comes to complex intellegence, we are the cumulative result of thousands of years of development, which in turns bends and molds our perception, behavior and complex thinking. Seeing as bias is a predisposition, it is a parallel with what we are. To successfully and completely remove bias, where it is applicable, would require circumventing thousands of years, (or easily more), of development with a pure and unbiased definition of "bias"- i.e., largely impossible.

What is important is that we acknowledge our predispositions and explain them. If they are logically founded, (logic being developmentally biased, as well), then we call them "Sensible Judgements".

What this video portrays, largely, is sensible judgement. Outstanding bias is almost always declared and the rest is explained qualitatively, which is the most we can logically expect.

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Yes, he does very well to offer both sides while sharing his own opinion. I respect that.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Ok the guy is 100% biased, he states his point of view. But how does that make all of his points moot ??


People need to understand that bias is not innately bad. Doing something, completely bias free, is virtually impossible. As humans, the vast majority of our existance is based on intellectually ingesting the messages of our environment. When it comes to complex intellegence, we are the cumulative result of thousands of years of development, which in turns bends and molds our perception, behavior and complex thinking. Seeing as bias is a predisposition, it is a parallel with what we are. To successfully and completely remove bias, where it is applicable, would require circumventing thousands of years, (or easily more), of development with a pure and unbiased definition of "bias"- i.e., largely impossible.

What is important is that we acknowledge our predispositions and explain them. If they are logically founded, (logic being developmentally biased, as well), then we call them "Sensible Judgements".

What this video portrays, largely, is sensible judgement. Outstanding bias is almost always declared and the rest is explained qualitatively, which is the most we can logically expect.

That is correct. Most opinions will always be biased, because its subjective and mostly shows only one side of the story. He is not a journalist, he is not comitted to showing Bioware's side of the story. The Media though, IGN and all of those are supposed to try to be unbiased and show all sides of the story with a neutral point of view, but we've seen it doesn't happen.

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I totally agree with this guy.

He has cool voice btw.

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Lookout1390 wrote...

You're right, he is totally biased against bioware and is purposely making these videos to attack them.
<_<

He has loved and supported bioware's games for a long time...once again..MENTIONED in the video.

He is staying neutral and just pointing out the fallacies and plot-holes that is this horrible ending we got to ME3.

He doesn't get any self-benefit from this video, other than to share the video/facts with other people of the fanbase for further discussion.

I still don't get how that makes him biased though...

Just because he has liked Bioware's games doesn't mean that he can't be biased in the case of ME3. His entire argument is based on his opinion that Bioware is now making bad games after being bought by EA.

Someone who is trying to stay neutral would present the material with zero spin on it. In fact, someone who is trying to stay neutral shouldn't even be talking to begin with, because letting people play the game and make up their own minds is what being neutral truly means.

If you're neutral, you do not use loaded language in your videos such as "silly" while showing montages of car crashes as you describe a story you're supposed to be neutral about. That's about as subtle as, well, a car crash and about as unbiased as Wrex was on the Genophage.

Modifié par Hudathan, 14 avril 2012 - 08:32 .


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I completely agree with this video. And we really need to take strong consideration into no longer supporting BioWare games. Allowing something as awful as the ME3 ending to go completely without consequence just opens the door for more disappointment and mediocre games. It's a shame to see such an amazing franchise get so brutally destroyed in its finale. And the only way to truly express this displeasure in a way that BioWare will notice is through financial support. We could all say we hate the game and that we're upset, but until they have a sales problem, they're not REALLY going to care (pro tip: them saying they care and they're listening =/= them caring and listening. It just means they're going to read and respond to our responses in a way that makes us feel like our opinion counts for something, which is the job of PR. The only way to make them genuinely care is to show that we won't put up with such terribly products. The main defense of BioWare standing by their god awful ending is "if you don't like it, no one's forcing you to buy it", so we'd all do best to oblige by that and make them actually put effort into something worth our money again)

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Unbiased, neutral people have nothing interesting to say. It's just how it goes.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 14 avril 2012 - 08:36 .


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julio77777 wrote...

Also what pains him is the attitude Bioware takes regarding their complaining consumers, and I think everyone can agree that they have been pretty smug.

I don't agree with that and I know I'm not the only one. But that's only because I don't equate the ending with Bioware killing my kid after I asked them to babysit.

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Hudathan wrote...

Just because he has liked Bioware's games doesn't mean that he can't be biased in the case of ME3. His entire argument is based on his opinion that Bioware is now making bad games after being bought by EA.


FALSE ! He stated clearly he liked dragon age 2 and ME 2 for example, he is only talking about ME 3 endings please don't put words in his mouth.

Hudathan wrote...

Someone who is trying to stay neutral would present the material with zero spin on it. In fact, someone who is trying to stay neutral shouldn't even be talking to begin with, because letting people play the game and make up their own minds is what being neutral truly means.

If you're neutral, you do not use loaded language in your videos such as "silly" while showing montages of car crashes as you describe a story you're supposed to be neutral about. That's about as subtle as, well, a car crash and about as unbiased as Wrex was on the Genophage.


Yeah yeah see above posts, it's been stated the guy is biased, the very fact that he has an opinion makes him biased, but he tries as much as possible to be objective (not possible to be completely objective but he tries).

Hudatthan wrote..

I don't agree with that and I know I'm not the only one. But that's only
because I don't equate the ending with Bioware killing my kid after I
asked them to babysit.


Yeah he agrees with you and so do I, you should rewatch the video I think you didn't understand it....

Modifié par julio77777, 14 avril 2012 - 08:43 .


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This guy is good, watched a few days ago. He really deserves higher viewer numbers than what he's currently getting.

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julio77777 wrote...

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You should know that we were talking about another YouTuber's videos, not the one posted in the OP.

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This guy is great. Just love his vids. His shoes analogy is briliant!  
He gets exactly how people are feeling and has a nice way of explaining why we feel that way do about this mess. 

I don't want a dinner, I want my shoes back! <_<:bandit: