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[zarnk567]

YOU SHALL NOT PASS TROLL!!! (breaks bridge)

[Adamantium93]

Its a shame we got neither.

[Kuari999]

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

I don't mind a lack of boss fight...  I do mind that thinking about the ending in any sort of criticizing thought process reveals probably more plot holes then I've seen in any triple-A storytelling of any sort in a very very short amount of time.  Not to mention to me it comes off as a child trying to do an arty fanfiction.  That last bit is just my opinion, but seriously, when you have to go against established characteristics to make your symbolism, its a terrible idea, no matter how good the concept could have been?  Why?  Because the story and characters weren't written with the concept in mind.  That's already been proven by the original lead writer stating what his intentions were.

[Turkeysock]

Luzarius, my challenge to you, try to actually create an actual logical argument.

So far, you've argued that anyone who did not understand the ending did not pay attention to the game, comics and books; that people who've questioned the ending are idiots; and now you're saying that the people who don't understand it are "kids." Many of us have asked for one thing, an ending that makes sense and fits into the ME universe.

Mass Effect 3's ending does not make sense, nor does it fit into the ME themes or it's universe.

[Kanon777]

There is no point in coming here to say the OP is a troll or whatever, if you really believe he is a troll, just dont post on the thread and let it sink from the first page.
If you think his argument is worth discussing then fine, but posting here just to call him a troll only enables the "trolling" by giving him more visibility...

[die-yng]

Dridengx wrote...

die-yng wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

10x more mature? You mean the parts with the drunk singing quest line or the part with the pokemon sex cards?

Witcher 2, not Witcher 1, please read what others really wrote before mouthing off.

I wasn't mouthing off, do you even know what that means? lol

Secondly, derp. He said

"You want to play an actual mature game with actual mature storytelling that is actually deep and thought provoking? Go play The Witcher"

Do you see Witcher 2 there? no, you don't. Stay free

Since somebody else already showed you that you were wrong with nothing being written about the Witcher 2, let me just say, you were right. I shlould probably have written. 
"please read what others have written, before you start spouting nonsensical replies.

[mad825]

Boss fights are meant to be the climax of the computer game, the hardiest part of the game where the player has to use all resources and knowledge that is gathered through the gameplay. And, in pretty much in all stories have the hero fights the villain (protagonist vs Antagonist[sub Antagonists]).

Having a boss fight and having a deep, thought provoking, mentally stimulating endings are not mutually exclusive.

Modifié par mad825, 14 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[ericjdev]

Ok but the ending was neither deep nor thought provoking. Also not original coherent or palatable.

[Evil Minion]

I'm an adult and I approve of boss fights.

[stysiaq]

1/10. Trolling too obvious. But its really tricky to strike the balance between reasonable arguments and lulzy bull**** for successful trolling.

[Rashala]

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

One problem the ending of me3 Gives us NEITHER of these.

[Mixorz]

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Modifié par Mixorz, 15 avril 2012 - 12:08 .

[AxisEvolve]

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

You have gone beyong trolling and are now posting pure satire.

Bravo, good sir. I respect your aristic vision. 

[iorveth1271]

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Again we're getting insulted as the intellectually inferior...

[Mixorz]

iorveth1271 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Again we're getting insulted as the intellectually inferior...

Not really. If someone keeps yelling grass is purple, and I tell them it's green it's not insulting them, simply pointing out something obvious that they fail/refuse to understand, while at the same time displaying that I'm right.

[Catroi]

oh it's you again...

[Narayan23]

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Hmm if i recall this correctly I had to read 30 pieces of dutch literature 20 pieces of english literature and 20 pieces of german literature in high school so i'm fairly sure i have an understanding and appreciation for good storytelling. Mass Effect 3's ending was not  a powerful work of art

[iorveth1271]

Mixorz wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Again we're getting insulted as the intellectually inferior...

Not really. If someone keeps yelling grass is purple, and I tell them it's green it's not insulting them, simply pointing out something obvious that they fail/refuse to understand, while at the same time displaying that I'm right.

Well then, first off: I did not like the ending. It has nothing to do with art, absolutely nothing. It wasn't thought-provoking, it wasn't powerful, it was plain shallow and unoriginal as well as plain nonsensical. The reasons for that have been explained a thousandfold on these forums, I'm not gonna give you a rundown here.

As for your problem with public schools... I'm not even American, so I don't know their school system or any other school system aside from the German one. What I do know is that the education here in Germany is anything but cutting art and PE. In fact, cultural education and sports are highly advertised here. I know a thing or two about art, the only problem this entire idiotic art argument boils down to is: Art cannot be fully defined. Everyone has a different definition of it and everyone is equally more or less right or wrong. So attacking other people or even an entire educational system because they do not share your liberal interpretation of the word "art" only shows that you either are a socially awkward penguin or that you simply don't know that opinions vary from person to person. I can't do anything about the former, but the latter could easily have been solved by taking a few classes of social studies.

EDIT: In addition, I should maybe mention that right now I'm studying both German literature and English literature at a university... so yeah, I understand a thing or two about writing and art.

Modifié par iorveth1271, 15 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Taking Higher Art & Design, P.E and English right now in school. 

I hate the ending. 

But you're a massive ****ing troll who himself can't admit people don't like something he thinks is perfect. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 15 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[Myrmedus]

Too bad we didn't get either a boss fight OR a "deep, thought provoking, mentally stimulating ending."

Modifié par Myrmedus, 15 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[usmack5]

TX-Toast wrote...

sadly, we got neither.

Yeah I agree. It seems like the OP thought that just because there was an absence of a boss fight, there was thought-provoking priority in the ending of ME3. That certainly was not the case: in the context of the lore and themes established in the first two games, ME3's ending made absolutely NO sense.

[Mixorz]

Narayan23 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Hmm if i recall this correctly I had to read 30 pieces of dutch literature 20 pieces of english literature and 20 pieces of german literature in high school so i'm fairly sure i have an understanding and appreciation for good storytelling. Mass Effect 3's ending was not  a powerful work of art

Reading=\\=Understanding. Anyone can sound out words, but not everyone understands what they read. Understand, nubcake.