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[Myrmedus]

Mixorz wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Again we're getting insulted as the intellectually inferior...

Not really. If someone keeps yelling grass is purple, and I tell them it's green it's not insulting them, simply pointing out something obvious that they fail/refuse to understand, while at the same time displaying that I'm right.

Except your original post is an opinion, not a statement of fact.

Now, I know it's hard for you to conceive of the possibility that those two concepts are different but I'm afraid they actually are!

[casadechrisso]

Whybother wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I DEMAND WERNER HEROZOG DO THE THE VO FOR THE EXTENDED CUT. DO YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?

You're quite right however. Imitation in art means nothing if it is a direct attempt to copy something. I really wish people would watch a Tarkovsky or Herzog film to understand what true philosophical meaning is. Those two are just............immaculate.

Herzog should do the documentary on the fall of Bioware.  It'd be like "Grizzly Man" but with Casey instead of Timothy Treadwell.

Is Herzog the guy who directed Rescue Dawn? I think that's my only contact with him. That movie was incredible.

That's the guy, but he's directed much better.  "Grizzly Man" is an incredible documentary.  "Fitzcarraldo" is a legendary film.  It's hard to go wrong with Herzog.

So, this "Troll Thread" just made me watch "Grizzly Man"... I'm familiar with Herzog and the Kinski classics, but never knew I should watch that Grizzly Man documentary.
And wow... it's fantastic... didn't even know one of my absolutely favorite musicians made the soundtrack.

So +1 for BSN and Troll threads, thank you. <3

[Lookout1390]

I actually wouldn't have minded either.

Though seeing as how we got neither...I'm pretty disappointed.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 15 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[Narayan23]

Mixorz wrote...

Narayan23 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Hmm if i recall this correctly I had to read 30 pieces of dutch literature 20 pieces of english literature and 20 pieces of german literature in high school so i'm fairly sure i have an understanding and appreciation for good storytelling. Mass Effect 3's ending was not  a powerful work of art

Reading==Understanding. Anyone can sound out words, but not everyone understands what they read. Understand, nubcake.

I'm telling you i'm reading books in 3 languages and you are telling me I could not understand them. Can you even read 3 languages on a level that you can read and comprehend literature I wonder.

[The Night Mammoth]

Mixorz wrote...

Narayan23 wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

It pretty much seems to boil down to people unable to understand such a powerful work of art. I place some blame on public schools. With cutting art and PE programs kids have been proven to get fatter, and unable to understand something unless every minuscule detail is written in permanent marker on the inside of their eye lids.

Hmm if i recall this correctly I had to read 30 pieces of dutch literature 20 pieces of english literature and 20 pieces of german literature in high school so i'm fairly sure i have an understanding and appreciation for good storytelling. Mass Effect 3's ending was not  a powerful work of art

Reading==Understanding. Anyone can sound out words, but not everyone understands what they read. Understand, nubcake.

Aw, like a child discovering a new phrase from a friend at school, he thinks nubcake is cool!

Cry somewhere else. 

[jinxter69]

Wow OP...I wish I was a cultured and concerned adult such as your self. Don't know about you, but I was born in 1967. As a Navy Brat, I lived in Hawaii and Japan, and I graduated at a DOD High School in Japan. I was 17 before I lived within the Continental US when my Dad decided to retire from the Navy in the Puget Sound area of WA state. I then served 10 years in the USAF and 6 years in the Army NG. I even took time out to test games as a Software Test Engineer. I am now an IT Specialist for the US NAVY. I may not be as cultured as some, but I consider myself to be an adult. An adult that as read a great many books and played more games than I can remember, and I KNOW a poorly written ending when I read or play one.

Mass Effect was an amazingly well written and voice-acted series only that received an ending so contrived, poorly paced, poorly conceived and written that thematically and logically it doesn't fit with what precedes it. We don't care about a boss-battle, and cannot remember even one thread here that is asking for one.

This ending was NOT thought provoking in the way you mean...it WAS thought provoking along the lines of WTF was this? HOW does this ending make ANY sense.

Also OP, your very title to this thread is insulting.

Troll elsewhere...

[IntoTheDarkness]

You are THE Luzarius, the famous hardcore player? But then why are you trolling?

[goose2989]

jinxter69 wrote...

Wow OP...I wish I was a cultured and concerned adult such as your self. Don't know about you, but I was born in 1967. As a Navy Brat, I lived in Hawaii and Japan, and I graduated at a DOD High School in Japan. I was 17 before I lived within the Continental US when my Dad decided to retire from the Navy in the Puget Sound area of WA state. I then served 10 years in the USAF and 6 years in the Army NG. I even took time out to test games as a Software Test Engineer. I am now an IT Specialist for the US NAVY. I may not be as cultured as some, but I consider myself to be an adult. An adult that as read a great many books and played more games than I can remember, and I KNOW a poorly written ending when I read or play one.

Mass Effect was an amazingly well written and voice-acted series only that received an ending so contrived, poorly paced, poorly conceived and written that thematically and logically it doesn't fit with what precedes it. We don't care about a boss-battle, and cannot remember even one thread here that is asking for one.

This ending was NOT thought provoking in the way you mean...it WAS thought provoking along the lines of WTF was this? HOW does this ending make ANY sense.

Also OP, your very title to this thread is insulting.

Troll elsewhere...

Well said

[Taboo]

casadechrisso wrote...

Whybother wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I DEMAND WERNER HEROZOG DO THE THE VO FOR THE EXTENDED CUT. DO YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?

You're quite right however. Imitation in art means nothing if it is a direct attempt to copy something. I really wish people would watch a Tarkovsky or Herzog film to understand what true philosophical meaning is. Those two are just............immaculate.

Herzog should do the documentary on the fall of Bioware.  It'd be like "Grizzly Man" but with Casey instead of Timothy Treadwell.

Is Herzog the guy who directed Rescue Dawn? I think that's my only contact with him. That movie was incredible.

That's the guy, but he's directed much better.  "Grizzly Man" is an incredible documentary.  "Fitzcarraldo" is a legendary film.  It's hard to go wrong with Herzog.

So, this "Troll Thread" just made me watch "Grizzly Man"... I'm familiar with Herzog and the Kinski classics, but never knew I should watch that Grizzly Man documentary.
And wow... it's fantastic... didn't even know one of my absolutely favorite musicians made the soundtrack.

So +1 for BSN and Troll threads, thank you. <3

Herzog > Bioware's attempt at sophistication.

[Lookout1390]

The ending was absolute ****.

Boss-battles have been hand-in-hand with the end of a video game since forever.

The fact that they deemed too 'videogamey' is beyond ridiculous.

The ending, bar-none was terribly written.

[krayt298]

To put it simple :

Modifié par krayt298, 15 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[FSOAH]

7/10.

You got people talking talking, I'll give you that. Got have gotten a few more points by being a bit more subtle. Too obvious.

[jijeebo]

Err... No.

Gamers like boss battles, pretentious gits like "deep and thought provoking" piles of fail.

[EsterCloat]

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

You're wrong.

[Monster20862]

Boss fights are for shooters and arcade games, not deep RPGs... Not saying there shouldn't be a couple boss fights, just saying, don't put so much emphasis on them.

[httinks2006]

No boss fights are not just for shooters and arcade games , boss fights have always been a part of great and not so great rpgs and can make or break a game.
ff7, ff8 , ff9 , ff10 , ff12 ,skies of arcadia , breath of fire , wildarms , legend of dragoon, legend of legia , star ocean , kingdom hearts, xenosaga , xenogears , magna carta , magna carta 2, chrono trigger , chrono cross, suikoden , grandia , rogue galaxy , lost odsyssey, lunar and infinite undiscovery .I'm sure i may have left a couple out but you get the picture ,,,,,,,

[Jagri]

OP is right intelligent games don't need boss battles! Just look at Portal 1 and Portal 2... Oh wait... ^_- Disregard.

[Isichar]

EsterCloat wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

You're wrong.

Yeah dead wrong. And a bit insulting in the process.

[Filanwizard]

As long as the boss fight has meaning, Now something involving Harbringer would have had meaning. but you are not going to fight a ship on foot.

Part of me wants to shoot up Harby from the inside. With a Mako! and Tali riding shotgun of course.

[Nostradamoose]

Troll is troll?

[JyrikGauldy]

I was even thinking about the lack of a boss fight after i finished it, i was more annoyed with the other glaring problems with the ending

[Laverick]

Filanwizard wrote...

As long as the boss fight has meaning, Now something involving Harbringer would have had meaning. but you are not going to fight a ship on foot.

Part of me wants to shoot up Harby from the inside. With a Mako! and Tali riding shotgun of course.

I was thinking something along the same lines. They could have made Harbinger the catalyst instead of the Citadel/Starchild, then the final "boss fight" could involve attacking Harbinger's brain/ai core/reaper-equivilent-of-a-brain from the inside. Victory within a certain time frame would allow control of Harbinger, forcing it to act as the catalyst. Victory too late would still allow control of Harbinger but would prevent the ideal ending of saving Earth. The allotted "time frame" would be determined by how prepared your fleet was to provide the distraction. Defeat inside of Harbinger is Game Over galaxy and the Reaper cycle continues.

The effect of the Crucible could also be nerfed from "Ultimate Deus Ex Machina" that stops the Reapers outright, to a more limited one that simply weakens the Reapers to the point where conventional warfare becomes possible. The final conventional battle against the Reapers could play out differently depending on how prepared you were and what choices were made throughout the trilogy. It would be cinematic based, with Shepard making strategic calls via dialogue wheel.

"Deep, thought provoking decisions" can still be thrown in there in places. For example, choosing to use the Crucible at full power will have the best effect on the Reapers, but also wipes out the Geth, EDI, and possibly the Mass Relays (Geth and EDI theory turns out to be true, Relays turn out to be safe but you don't know that at the time.) Using the Crucible at weakest power might mean the Geth and EDI survive, but it also increases the chance of ultimate failure in the conventional battle if the fleet wasn't strong enough.

Possible endings then could include (among others):
-Reapers destroyed, cycle ends, earth saved, Geth dead, EDI dead.
-Reapers destroyed, cycle ends, earth saved, fleet decimated. 
-Reapers destroyed, cycle ends, earth destroyed, Geth dead, EDI dead.
-Reapers destroyed, cycle ends, earth destroyed, fleet decimated.
-Reapers victorious, cycle continues, earth saved. (If you beat Harbinger but failed the final conventional battle due to poor choices.)
-Reapers victorious, cycle continues, earth destroyed. (Failed in Harbinger.)

[the red boon]

Monster20862 wrote...

Boss fights are for shooters and arcade games, not deep RPGs... Not saying there shouldn't be a couple boss fights, just saying, don't put so much emphasis on them.

Every Mass Effect had a boss fight except this one, the worse of the three. 

[DangerousPuddy]

May or may not be true, except we got neither - which is worse.