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[Taboo]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I DEMAND WERNER HEROZOG DO THE THE VO FOR THE EXTENDED CUT. DO YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?

You're quite right however. Imitation in art means nothing if it is a direct attempt to copy something. I really wish people would watch a Tarkovsky or Herzog film to understand what true philosophical meaning is. Those two are just............immaculate.

Herzog should do the documentary on the fall of Bioware.  It'd be like "Grizzly Man" but with Casey instead of Timothy Treadwell.

Is Herzog the guy who directed Rescue Dawn? I think that's my only contact with him. That movie was incredible.

Yes. You know those "Most Interesting Man in the World" ads? Yeah, Werner Herzog is that guy (not really). Herzog has done just about everything you possibly can in the film world AND has remained deep and philosophical while doing it. Go watch some Herzog films if you want some deep stuff.

[Mirdarion]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I DEMAND WERNER HEROZOG DO THE THE VO FOR THE EXTENDED CUT. DO YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?

Herzog... Wasn't that the guy who worked with Klaus Kinsky, that totally insane actor?

[Taboo]

Mirdarion wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I DEMAND WERNER HEROZOG DO THE THE VO FOR THE EXTENDED CUT. DO YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?

Herzog... Wasn't that the guy who worked with Klaus Kinsky, that totally insane actor?

Yes. Klaus Kinski was.............an interesting man.

Check out Aguirre, Wrath of God if you want to know how crazy. Kinski IS the character. I kid of course but that's a pretty good description of him. It's a great film too.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 14 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[wryterra]

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Your argument would hold if we got either. Sadly we got no boss fight, nor a deep, thought provoking, mentally stimulating ending. 

[Zix13]

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Boss fights follow the typical story model: you know, the whole rising action/climax bit. Defeating the antagonist is just a little bit important as well. Of course, creating a boss fight for the sake of a boss fight is stupid, but having one because there's a baddy that needs to die by the end of the game is not any issue of "mainstreamery/ lowest- common-denominatory. 

Now. The ending was not intellectual. It was an insult to my intelligence. It did not belong in the game, the game was never about symbolism and pretty colours. It was a quite literal story and changing it at the last minute breaks so many unspoken rules of narrative that anyone can understand. There's a difference between mentally stimulating and incoherent, and it should be pretty obvious which one is a better descriptor of the ME3 ending. 

Also, polls on the ending seem to suggest opinion on it has very little to do with age. Furthermore, after ~20 years of age, maturity has less and less to do with age. Hell, I was more mature than one of my uncles when I was 15. 

Any yea, you do come off as arrogant, pretentious and childish. 

[FlamingBoy]

irrelevant to the point that mass effect 3 ending still sucks

[Vexia2070]

TJX2045 wrote...

Vexia2070 wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

Vexia2070 wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Is this guy for real? I mean, just look at his signature. Nobody could be that pretentious without some kind of mental illness.

Deluded at best. Or Troll, or worst case...actually does look to vido games for deep moral content and thought.

Shh, quiet everyone, the almighty intelligent and oh so wise and enlightented teacher is lecturing the class.  Let's all put up our books on the table half open and then put our head down and sleep.

Gee, thanks ....LOL

I meant Lulz.  LOL.  I agree with you.

Missunderstood, (hugs) TY

[Dikjuh]

wryterra wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Am I right or wrong?

I believe Bioware is choosing NOT to cater to the MTV generation of "kids" who are 13-25.  Instead Bioware is choosing to cater to their more mature audience and striving to push the limits of todays youth.

Bioware i respect you for this.  Most Bioware writers are probably over the age of 28 right? 

My challenge to the young generation of ME players is this.  Try to think like a mature adult instead of a silly kid wanting a boss fight at the end of the game.  I say this with the deepest respect possible since the youth have to carry the torch. Consider your limits pushed.

If I come off arrogant then I apologize in advance.

Luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Your argument would hold if we got either. Sadly we got no boss fight, nor a deep, thought provoking, mentally stimulating ending. 

I didn't really want a boss fight, that's not why I played these games, so that was no problem for me.
It could've been a deep ending, but for that, some of the "plotholes" would need to get fixed (IMHO the way bioware envisioned it, as long as it stays true to the story/lore of the ME universe).

Judging by the theories on these forums though, it was indeed thought provoking and mentally stimulating.
But it seems most effort is being put into filling the plotholes, and trying to make sense of it, instead of putting that same effort in theories about what will happen to the ME universe, after you chose one of the endings (combined with everything you did before that).

I am looking forward to see how bioware will fix this by clarifying certain aspects of the ending.
And also, how the BSN community will react to it, it seems quite a few already made their decision on what has happened/will happen.
I'm curious to find out who was and who was not right.

PS.
English is not my native language, so please excuse any grammatical errors and/or wrong words (I hope in context it still makes sense).

[Blue Liara]

TRROOOOLLLLLL

[Vexia2070]

Please Mod, lock this mess up. to quote an Old character "His head Jim"

[eddieoctane]

A "big final boss fight" is one of the core tenets of Christianity. Revelations is big part of the teachings of every denomination. Does that mean every single Christian is an immature little child for believing there will be a final. decisive confrontation between God and Satan? Or is it more likely the OP did the impossible and formed a completely incorrect opinion?

[GuilleCuba]

Why is it that people who claim to be more mature and smarter than every one else, are usually the opposite

[Trentgamer]

Well they didn't include either..so...

[Fl1xx]

Then fun be damned, I am a child.

[SirBob1613]

I dont need a boss fight and am a young person i just want a ending that matter since i invested my childhood into it

[Xenoaroe]

How about a no troll ruleset?

[Astbruchgefahr]

Well then by this logic, BioWare failed to please either group, because there was no boss fight for kids and nothing deep for adults in that ending.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Yep, you come off as arrogant and pretentious. Thanks for the apology.

[Ticonderoga117]

Said before, I'll say it again: Any would be nice, we got neither.
The only thing I can say the endings are is that they are provoking speculation, which is a BIG no in my book for the end of a trilogy.

Nice try OP.

[Quietness]

Aww good job, this is the first time i haven't seen you pathetically attempt to pimp your twitch channel. Im proud of you.

[Joccaren]

I'm sorry, but no.

A mature adult would take information in, and judge whether something is fitting or not by context and material, not simply saying "Only kids like boss fights" - a misinformed, incorrect and generally rude statement - but instead saying "A boss fight in this context may not be appropriate". Any fool can rule things out simply because of what they are, but if you want to come across as being intelligent, you will think about what you believe, why you believe what you believe, and either provide evidence to back it up, or simply state that that is how you feel about something - not coming straight out and insulting a large number of people because they like things different to what you like.

Now, those are somewhat loaded words I have just written, and here is my disclaimer: I am not saying anyon who doesn't do the above is not mature, or is not intelligent - merely that you won't come across that way, at least to me and most of those I know.

If you are not a troll [Which judging by your threads so far - you most certainly are] perhaps you would think about starting the next thread as a discussion where you make it abundantly clear that you are not necessarily right, and make sure not to insult anyone. Calling those who don't agree with you 'Silly kid[s]' and implying they are not mature is not a way to earn support. It is a way to get people to report you for trolling and harassment. If you want an intelligent discussion, start your next thread without calling anyone childish, immature, or trying to imply that you are more mature and less childish than they are. Simply put forward the subject you wish to bring up, your views on the subject [In a "I believe this is good" sort of way, not a "All those who don't like this are silly kids" sort of way], and mabe people will start listening and talking about the subject.

As an example, I would have put your title as "We have too many boss fights", and your statements as "I feel we have too many boss fights in games these days, and I think it is refreshing to see an attempt at a more thought provoking end".
Many will still disagree with you. Many would still say that the end wasn't thought provoking [Which is a lie. It provoked thoughts, just not the ones it was meant to], or that boss fights can be thought provoking too [Which is completely true]. You would, however, have gone to the effort of not insulting people, and would have made a thread that people might actually give proper responses too, not constantly calling you out on your trolling.

[KingKhan03]

Wow you must have alot of friends.

[GuardianAngel470]

I love you OP. You're my favorite person here. In fact I love you so much I want to give you an internet hug.

[Icinix]

I'm over the age of 28 - the ending provoked but one thought - "What dafuq?"

Also - the amount of turret sequences through ME3, including one pointlessly on Earth leads me to believe there was little intent to go with thought provoking design points.

[KingKhan03]

lol so horde mode for the final mission is thought provoking?