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[DangerSandler]

Changing my vote. Mass Effect is still the best.

[Allan Schumacher]

Dendio1 wrote...

And then go play kotor 2, but make sure u get the fan mods that add in the missing content and fix the bugs....kotor 2 really was a great game, a shame lucas arts didnt care about art and allow iit to be finished. Kreia is one of the best characters ive ever seen in a game.

I actually really prefer KOTOR 2's writing as well.  I'm super stoked that Chris Avellone is a part of the Wasteland 2 project!  Kreia is amazing.  As far as I'm concerned pretty much anything MCA touches turns to gold.

It's just unfortunate that the ending seems to be... missing :\\

[Provo_101]

Tommy6860 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Fallout.

Fallout never really had that deep of a storyline. But then again, Mass effect isn't the RPG that Fallout is either.

Maybe not a deep overall storyline, but when it comes to telling stories of specific locations, through atmosphere and subtlety throughout, Fallout is king. Take a look at the vaults in New Vegas for instance, or just about any location where there is a dead body, you can usually find out who killed them, why they killed them, and the object used to kill them, just be observing the environment, a lot of locations have stories to tell. Certain Vaults gave me nightmares, just by how ridiculously unnerving they were. That's the kind of horror I like though, not cheap scares or anything, plain old psychological torment.

Bioshock is another.

And I love my Bioshock. If there was ever a game that could trump Bioshock 1, and how they filled you in to minute details on the story of Rapture through audio logs, visual cues and environment detail.. I would be all over it.

[Legendaryred]

Halo actually has a deep (not in the artsy way) story that not even what 6 books can tell the whole story. There are so many stories that have happened in the Halo Universe that would me a great games. Half life has a good story and a well built universe, fallout too has great story behind.

[Thanagherion00]

Eve online is prett fun, but it has a learning curve which can only be described as "harsh" to say the least and it's a sandbox MMO, so... maybe not for most mass effect fans (single player with objectives)

[Allwillbeforgotten]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

My vote would be for Halo. It's got the big, epic, galaxy-spanning storyline and a rich fiction that is constantly and carefully expanded and built upon. Dead Space looks promising, although it's still somewhat new and meddling by EA executives might derail it in the same way that ME was derailed.

Disgusting.
Just because you dislike the last ten minutes of an otherwise extremely good game, the whole trilogy is just robbed of its greatness? I dare you to remember every great moment in the whole trilogy starting with Eden Prime, to the Collector Base to the final showdown on Earth, and still make the claim that Halo or Dead Space measures up.

Modifié par Allwillbeforgotten, 14 avril 2012 - 09:35 .

[Flextt]

Freespace

[Legendaryred]

Allwillbeforgotten wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

My vote would be for Halo. It's got the big, epic, galaxy-spanning storyline and a rich fiction that is constantly and carefully expanded and built upon. Dead Space looks promising, although it's still somewhat new and meddling by EA executives might derail it in the same way that ME was derailed.

People really seem to like Starcraft and Eve Online as well, but I've never played either of them so I don't know how they stack up.

Disgusting.
Just because you dislike the last ten minutes of an otherwise extremely good game, the whole trilogy is just robbed of its greatness? I dare you to think about every great moment in the whole trilogy starting with Eden Prime, to the Collector Base to the final showdown on Earth, and still make the claim that Halo or Dead Space measures up.

Actually the ME universe is really small compared to the Halo Universe. Story wise you only have as early as the rachni wars on ME, following the revolt of the Geth and the First contact war. On the other side on Halo you probably have 100 times more story than ME offers. ME has only released a few comics while Halo has released a bunch of books, like 6 and each one is about 300+ pages and those books tell a small piece of the universe that was not shown in games.

[legion999]

Provo_101 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Fallout.

Fallout never really had that deep of a storyline. But then again, Mass effect isn't the RPG that Fallout is either.

Maybe not a deep overall storyline, but when it comes to telling stories of specific locations, through atmosphere and subtlety throughout, Fallout is king. Take a look at the vaults in New Vegas for instance, or just about any location where there is a dead body, you can usually find out who killed them, why they killed them, and the object used to kill them, just be observing the environment, a lot of locations have stories to tell. Certain Vaults gave me nightmares, just by how ridiculously unnerving they were. That's the kind of horror I like though, not cheap scares or anything, plain old psychological torment.

Bioshock is another.

And I love my Bioshock. If there was ever a game that could trump Bioshock 1, and how they filled you in to minute details on the story of Rapture through audio logs, visual cues and environment detail.. I would be all over it.

Vault 11 in particular was just depressing. And if Infinite is good then I would agree with you on Bioshock.

[Bobamelius]

Allwillbeforgotten wrote...
Just because you dislike the last ten minutes of an otherwise extremely good game, the whole trilogy is just robbed of its greatness?

I guess when you put it that way... yes, absolutely. That's why we hate it. Right there. Spot on.

[Allwillbeforgotten]

Actually the ME universe is really small compared to the Halo Universe. Story wise you only have as early as the rachni wars on ME, following the revolt of the Geth and the First contact war. On the other side on Halo you probably have 100 times more story than ME offers. ME has only released a few comics while Halo has released a bunch of books, like 6 and each one is about 300+ pages and those books tell a small piece of the universe that was not shown in games.

The topic of discussion was the greatest sci-fi video game saga, not the one with the most comics or books.
Your statement is disqualified by the fact that quantity never triumphs over quality. 

[pablosplinter]

Back to KOTOR for me....

It should have been ME!

[Legendaryred]

Allwillbeforgotten wrote...

Actually the ME universe is really small compared to the Halo Universe. Story wise you only have as early as the rachni wars on ME, following the revolt of the Geth and the First contact war. On the other side on Halo you probably have 100 times more story than ME offers. ME has only released a few comics while Halo has released a bunch of books, like 6 and each one is about 300+ pages and those books tell a small piece of the universe that was not shown in games.

The topic of discussion was the greatest sci-fi video game saga, not the one with the most comics or books.
Your statement is disqualified by the fact that quantity never triumphs over quality. 

The Halo games are considered one of the best sci fi games out you know. Plus Halo has 6 games, and a 7th comming out so that's pretty impressive for a game to go that far. It would have to be  a really good game to span over 7 games don't you think? 

[CaptainMonday]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I actually really prefer KOTOR 2's writing as well.  I'm super stoked that Chris Avellone is a part of the Wasteland 2 project!  Kreia is amazing.  As far as I'm concerned pretty much anything MCA touches turns to gold.

It's just unfortunate that the ending seems to be... missing :

Exacly! Funny how an ending can corrupt an otherwise stellar experience =)

See what I did there? 

[Allwillbeforgotten]

Legendaryred wrote...

The Halo games are considered one of the best sci fi games out you know. Plus Halo has 6 games, and a 7th comming out so that's pretty impressive for a game to go that far. It would have to be  a really good game to span over 7 games don't you think? 

The same can be said about Call of Duty or Twilight, don't you think? I like the Halo games but not your reasoning. Just because something is popular does not necessarily make it good. Again, quality over quantity.

Modifié par Allwillbeforgotten, 14 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[Legendaryred]

Allwillbeforgotten wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

The Halo games are considered one of the best sci fi games out you know. Plus Halo has 6 games, and a 7th comming out so that's pretty impressive for a game to go that far. It would have to be  a really good game to span over 7 games don't you think? 

The same can be said about Call of Duty or Twilight, don't you think? I like the Halo games but not your reasoning. Just because something is popular does not necessarily make it good. Again, quality over quantity.

Obviously you never played nor know anything about Halo, making a reference to CoD or Twilight is utterly pointless. Also yea, ME1 and ME2 were masterpieces (sarcasm) and may I remind you that ME3 was more about combat than actual story? compared to the first 2 games? 

[beyondsolo]

Well, the way the ending is now destroyed not only ME3 for me, but the entire series. I did play ME1 since finishing ME3 and loved it, but all the awesomeness had a bitter taste to it. It just isn't the same if you know that everything you do is going to end in three abysmally horrible and painful choices that in no way reflect any of your actions and are completely out of narrative context. I still have some hope that the Priority: Earth mission might improve with the Extended Cut, but as for the ending, I doubt it will or can be fixed. So yes, the Mass Effect series is tainted.

I read some people mentioning Halo. I love Halo, mostly because it's decisively military (something that Mass Effect attempted but never quite got there). Halo has a rich lore and universe, which unfortunately is hard to make out between all the multiplayer. And while I have to say that the writing in some Halo games has been weak, they've at least kept with their style. I'm curious in which direction 343 is going to take the series. Bungie definitely loved the universe they created and wanted it to go out with a bang with Reach (a game that had awesome gameplay, though the story was a bit lacking in the details). Note: Reach's ending would have been awesome for a worst case ending in ME3 in which everything utterly fails. ;-)

In the end, no other sci-fi game universe has quite fascinated me as much as these two. I wonder if it's just me who is getting more critical or if new games are actually decreasing in quality with every release. I think it's a mix of both, but gaming is starting to lose it's appeal with the amount of laziness and cutting corners that's going on just to make each installment of a franchise (how I hate that word) as profitable as possible.

Going away from gaming, there are many treasures in sci-fi literature that are just waiting to be discovered. I loved the Ender Quartet by Orson Scott Card (Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind), which in my opinion is one of the greatest achievements of in sci-fi about exploring aliens and their foreigness, and with them humanity, as well.

Then there is of course Dune, which I enjoyed immensly, though the conclusion of the series by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson left much to be desired because they pulled something horrible in the end, essentially resolving the series in reference to prequels they had written themselves. Still, Frank Herber's original six books of the Dune Chronicles are amazing.

A somewhat lighter fare, John Scalzi's Old Man's War universe (Old Man's War, the Ghost Brigades, The Last Colony) are entertaining, if nothing else, the first book of the series being a modern iteration of a Starship Troopers-esque universe. Don't bother reading Zoe's Tale, though, it's not worth the fuss.

If you're interested in military sci-fi, as am I, you should definitely read Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers. The movie is, btw, nothing to judge the book by. It's probably the one core work that established the genre.

Then there's also Joe Haldeman's Forever War, Forever Peace, and Forever Free which I'm looking forward to reading. Very often these are mentioned in one sentence with Starship Troopers, but they also touch on topics seen in the Ender Quartet, such as relativistic travel and such.

Again a slightly lighter fare, the Star Wars: X-Wing series, the first few books of which are interesting military sci-fi in set in the Star Wars universe. It's not ground breaking, but if you're into Star Wars as I used to be, then take a look at this.

Staying in the Star Wars universe, I think the New Jedi Order series and the invasion of the Star Wars galaxy by the Yuuzhan Vong contains a few absolute gems of books, such as Balance Point, Edge of Victory I: Conquest, Star by Star, Traitor, and the conclusion of the series, The Unifying Force. There is some great military sci-fi, political sci-fi, mixed with Star Wars related philosophy, touching on many real philisophical topics including ethics of war, morality in politics, and so on. It's a shame the Star Wars Expanded Universe only declined after that.

If you're more into political sci-fi, you may want to check out Ursula Le Guin's Hainish Cycle. I've only read The Dispossessed so far, and thought it was amazing. Of course you can pretty much feel the political tinge it has in the topics it touches, but the characters are very fascinating and deep.

So yeah, there's a lot out there, just waiting to be discovered. It's a shame Mass Effect has taken such a sharp decline for money reasons (as I see it), but it's not alone out there. I had just hoped that it would be better than that, but that's my naïvete again.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 14 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Allwillbeforgotten]

Legendaryred wrote...

Obviously you never played nor know anything about Halo, making a reference to CoD or Twilight is utterly pointless. Also yea, ME1 and ME2 were masterpieces (sarcasm) and may I remind you that ME3 was more about combat than actual story? compared to the first 2 games? 

As I stated before, I like the Halo games, an opinion I can make because I've played them. I was arguing against the notion you put up that just because a series has many installments the story is inherently good.

I will not get into any further arguments because it is obvious that you like the Halo series more than Mass Effect. Which makes me question, why are you here and not over at the Halo forums?

Modifié par Allwillbeforgotten, 14 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[Zolt51]

Documental wrote...

Still Mass Effect, it didn't crap out, more like that you don't like it anymore whereas I still love it.

This^^

Like ME3 or not, I don't see anything that can compare with the ME series.

[Allwillbeforgotten]

Zolt51 wrote...

Documental wrote...

Still Mass Effect, it didn't crap out, more like that you don't like it anymore whereas I still love it.

This^^

Like ME3 or not, I don't see anything that can compare with the ME series.

Agreed

[dbt-kenny]

It is going to be hard to better ME, I am looking forward to the Halo games that are coming out.
A star gate type game RPG would be cool so many possibilities, but we not going to get that. Babylon 5 universe is cool, I love to play a ranger.
It is so hard to come up with a new concept that people will like. Me I like flight Sims as well. So something like a privateer game. Where you can good space combat and then land/ ship missions. As long as it is not an online pay to play game that is. I hate them. Micro payments can be okay just depends on the game.

[Evo_9]

Ive played all halo games and even though i liked em, i NEVER had the urge to play through them again. Same goes for any other game except maybe fallout.

Mass effect on the other hand....i can play these 3 games forever. Story is so so good.

Fallout is second for me.

[CrazyBirdman]

Mass Effect.

[Brother Kosh]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I actually really prefer KOTOR 2's writing as well.  I'm super stoked that Chris Avellone is a part of the Wasteland 2 project!  Kreia is amazing.  As far as I'm concerned pretty much anything MCA touches turns to gold.

It's just unfortunate that the ending seems to be... missing :

We feel your pain about the ending.

[BadgerladDK]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

And then go play kotor 2, but make sure u get the fan mods that add in the missing content and fix the bugs....kotor 2 really was a great game, a shame lucas arts didnt care about art and allow iit to be finished. Kreia is one of the best characters ive ever seen in a game.

I actually really prefer KOTOR 2's writing as well.  I'm super stoked that Chris Avellone is a part of the Wasteland 2 project!  Kreia is amazing.  As far as I'm concerned pretty much anything MCA touches turns to gold.

It's just unfortunate that the ending seems to be... missing :

KOTOR 2 had so much potential, and could have really expanded on the first one. If only so much hadn't had to be cut... But at least I prefer playing light side, poor darksiders really took the brunt of the shafting.

As for the missing ending... I've seen worse  (I'm sorry, I'll play nice...)