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[Stonetwister]

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

[Arkitekt]

yep you are . Glad for you though!

[jacobdg]

Because people complain for no reason. Everything will be improved in the Extended Cut.

[Sealy]

I liked it too. It will be even better after it's clarified by the extended cut, cause I would like to know what made my crew dcide to ;eave me behind and make a run for it.. Plus since BW said space travel isn't impossible and that they now are forced to focus on improving their FTL drives since there are no more relays now things don't seem quite so dire for the people stuck in the Sol system.
 
Edit: Huh, cut myself off mid thought.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 14 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[Fidget6]

The ending left me with a very strange feeling. (destroy ending here) I kind of felt like my heart was pulled right out of my chest and felt hollow. Because the universe I came to love seemed to just be.... gone without the mass relays. However I wasn't upset. I was surprised, but it did feel very final, and I was okay with that as it was the final game. And it is just a freaking video game. But I forgot that Bioware seems to attract a lot of batsh*t crazy fans, so I wasn't expecting the ridiculous amount of backlash.

[jtrook]

While I found it lacking I am glad you enjoyed. Fair warning trolls shall be upon the horizon.

[Legion64]

I need to see my blue children in the Extended cut and then I will be happy!

[SpazzKidJake]

Normally I wouldn't say the ending was bad. But in my honest opinion the lack of actual difference was pathetic, the endings were all relatively the same with minor differences;Tweaks if you would. That is why a majority of us are pissed. Everything you did, really didn't matter.Although a certain theory that is floating around makes sense, I still disapprove. They didn't try and it is very apparent. Watch almost all the endings you will see what I am referring too. I don't blame Bioware completely though, I think it is more of what EA will allow. Remember if it don't meet EA's standards It doesn't get published. A big reason why No one likes EA, in if for money not the gamers, hence Day 1 DLC. (Edit:Thinking about it, the only ending I approved of a little was the Destroy with Max Readiness 5000+. It left the least horrible taste in your mouth.)<

Modifié par SpazzKidJake, 14 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[AJRimmsey]

Stonetwister wrote...

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

sounds to me like you played it as a game.
others played it as a VR life changing experience.

I had the ending spoiled for me,but still was totally satisfied with the games outcome.

[Kuari999]

Lets play a game of list the plot holes

#1 How was everyone killed on the Citadel without damaging it.

#2 How does EMS affect the ending in the way it does? How does having more soldiers make a difference in the way they put it.

#3 When did Anderson dash for the beam?

#4 How did Kohaku know you were alive? How did he know it was you on the Crucible? Why wouldn't he have thought it was Anderson?

#5 They were building the beacon in London before there was any reason to believe the Citadel would be brought to Earth. Why? What purpose did linking London and the Citadel have in the first place? What the hell were the Reapers planning?

#6 Control... why does control destroy your body? Who is in control? Did you become one with the Reapers? But since when were the Reapers a hive mind? Sure there are many minds in each Reaper, but what happened? Was Shepard's personality spread throughout the Reapers similar to what happened with Legion? Its a possible explanation I suppose, but overall? It makes no sense. I mean, if you want a Space Jesus ending? I'd say that is it.

#7 Synthesis... how does an energy pulse change people into synthetic-hybrids? Nanobots could maybe do it, but an energy pulse? Stretches rational suspension of disbelief to its limits.

#8 Destroy... How does it pick out between regular tech and synthetics? How is it possible for Shepard to survive it when he's pretty much told it will kill him. In fact this and Synthesis are pretty much the only ones that even hint at death. So how does that work? More importantly, how does having a bigger fleet make the difference between destroying the universe and only destroying synthetics? In fact, why does one ending destroy buildings but leaves people completely unharmed.

#9 The Normandy... that's all that needs to be said. STRAIGHT out of nowhere and comes off as Joker being a damned coward. It literally seemed thrown in just for the sake of symbolism rather than sense.

#10 Starchild... why does he look like that boy? Yes, ok, symbolism. I love symbolism... but why does he look like that boy? No seriously, why? If I saw something like that, I'd assume that they were reading my mind and trying to guilt trip and manipulate me, otherwise they better have a damned good explanation. I'm not going to get into his logic because, well... robot revolutions are always based on faulty logic.

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I'm glad you liked the ending, but it was far from a well-written one. Maybe the Extended Cut will fix this, maybe not. Doesn't change that it shouldn't have been necessary in the first place though.

[Arsenic Touch]

Now explain how it was epic and satisfying.
Make sure to explain and provide evidence to fill the plotholes.
We'll wait.

[Menethra]

Stonetwister wrote...

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

Yeah okay, whatever floats your boat >_>

Now explain how it was epic and satisfying.
Make sure to explain and provide evidence to fill the plotholes.
We'll wait.

Yeah pretty much what he said, i got time to wait.

Modifié par Menethra, 14 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[AJRimmsey]

Kuari999 wrote...

Lets play a game of list the plot holes

#1 How was everyone killed on the Citadel without damaging it.

#2 How does EMS affect the ending in the way it does? How does having more soldiers make a difference in the way they put it.

#3 When did Anderson dash for the beam?

#4 How did Kohaku know you were alive? How did he know it was you on the Crucible? Why wouldn't he have thought it was Anderson?

#5 They were building the beacon in London before there was any reason to believe the Citadel would be brought to Earth. Why? What purpose did linking London and the Citadel have in the first place? What the hell were the Reapers planning?

#6 Control... why does control destroy your body? Who is in control? Did you become one with the Reapers? But since when were the Reapers a hive mind? Sure there are many minds in each Reaper, but what happened? Was Shepard's personality spread throughout the Reapers similar to what happened with Legion? Its a possible explanation I suppose, but overall? It makes no sense. I mean, if you want a Space Jesus ending? I'd say that is it.

#7 Synthesis... how does an energy pulse change people into synthetic-hybrids? Nanobots could maybe do it, but an energy pulse? Stretches rational suspension of disbelief to its limits.

#8 Destroy... How does it pick out between regular tech and synthetics? How is it possible for Shepard to survive it when he's pretty much told it will kill him. In fact this and Synthesis are pretty much the only ones that even hint at death. So how does that work? More importantly, how does having a bigger fleet make the difference between destroying the universe and only destroying synthetics? In fact, why does one ending destroy buildings but leaves people completely unharmed.

#9 The Normandy... that's all that needs to be said. STRAIGHT out of nowhere and comes off as Joker being a damned coward. It literally seemed thrown in just for the sake of symbolism rather than sense.

#10 Starchild... why does he look like that boy? Yes, ok, symbolism. I love symbolism... but why does he look like that boy? No seriously, why? If I saw something like that, I'd assume that they were reading my mind and trying to guilt trip and manipulate me, otherwise they better have a damned good explanation. I'm not going to get into his logic because, well... robot revolutions are always based on faulty logic.

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I'm glad you liked the ending, but it was far from a well-written one. Maybe the Extended Cut will fix this, maybe not. Doesn't change that it shouldn't have been necessary in the first place though.

1 - radiation
2 - space battle
3 - behind you..or before you as blast propelled him
4 - sensors
5 - they chose london for the scenery
6 - same way harbinger did
7 - radiation mutates and its energy
8 - neutron radiation destroys bio but not synthetic matter
9 - joker never once goes on away missions...coward ?
10 - you answered your own question

[GoBioWareGo]

I'm glad you liked it, personally i can't see the massive plot holes to enjoy it.

[LegendaryBlade]

It's a mess of bad tropes. At least, everything after the space elevator is. We have the jarring introduction of a deus ex machina that very suddenly wraps up the plot with an explination that's full of holes. You can't end a 120 hour story with 14 sentences of dialogue, not when there are so many mysteries still set.

The destroy choice is an instance of dilemma just for the sake of having a dilemma, throwing in the geth would die too was just an excuse to give players pause. It didn't even work, most people still choose destroy because, despite being a visual medium, we never see the damage we do to the geth if we pick it; and therefore we're not emotionally connected to our consequences.

Synthesis is absolutely bonkers and makes no sense. It's something i'd expect out of George Lucas, and I don't mean that in a good way.

[Bluko]

Stonetwister wrote...

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

Uh okay. Great for you? I think.

Though me thinks you forgot about your good friend Saren.

[AJRimmsey]

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

[LilyasAvalon]

jtrook wrote...

While I found it lacking I am glad you enjoyed. Fair warning trolls shall be upon the horizon.

This.

Seriously, I bloody envy you, OP.

[LegendaryBlade]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

It didn't even work, most people still choose destroy because, despite being a visual medium, we never see the damage we do to the geth if we pick it; and therefore we're not emotionally connected to our consequences.

This is why, if you're going to pick Destroy, it's probably better to kill off the geth on Rannoch. You actually see the consequences of your choice and people's reactions to it.

It's sometimes baffling that Rannoch and the Ending are part of the same game. Rannoch does so much very right, and the ending does a lot of the same stuff wrong. We're faced with a decision which we are well informed off, we see the immediate consequences of the event, and if you made the right choices throughout the trilogy there's an extra, much more positive outcome.

[Kuari999]

AJRimmsey wrote...

1 - radiation
2 - space battle
3 - behind you..or before you as blast propelled him
4 - sensors
5 - they chose london for the scenery
6 - same way harbinger did
7 - radiation mutates and its energy
8 - neutron radiation destroys bio but not synthetic matter
9 - joker never once goes on away missions...coward ?
10 - you answered your own question

First off, while you can speculate reasons, the fact you need to speculate is generally what makes it a plot hole in the first place.

Second, radiation does not work that way.  Mutations don't change your body into synthetic parts.

Third, why the heck would Kohaku have access to the Citadel's sensors?

Fourth, it had less to do with why they chose a certain location and more to do with, why did they prepare so far ahead of time to give a clear path straight to what could destroy them?

Fifth, not going on away missions doesn't make him a coward.  Abandoning his comrades in a last ditch battle?  Oh hell yeah, that makes someone a coward.  In fact, irl militaries, of all sorts?  Abandoning comrades a pretty major offense.  Its just about the quickest way to get court martialed and thrown in prison.  Seriously, what's with your habit and trying to argue something completely unrelated to try and bash someone's point.  What relation does going on away missions have with RUNNING AWAY FROM A BATTLE?

[easyian2]

So this guy liked the ending. So did I. Why give people like us ****. Everyone that hated it ****ed so much that they are getting your extended cut. He is not calling anyone who hated the ending stupid, nore am i. We respect that you didn't like, good for you, you have a different opinion let other people have their's without you listing all things you didn't like about it and challenging us to explain what you didn't understand.

[Kuari999]

easyian2 wrote...

So this guy liked the ending. So did I. Why give people like us ****. Everyone that hated it ****ed so much that they are getting your extended cut. He is not calling anyone who hated the ending stupid, nore am i. We respect that you didn't like, good for you, you have a different opinion let other people have their's without you listing all things you didn't like about it and challenging us to explain what you didn't understand.

Because if you're going to discuss anything you need to be able to back up your opinion.  Otherwise it isn't a discussion.