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[Evil Minion]

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

He doesn't say you are dumb if you liked the ending. He just states that people who like the ending do it despite of the major problems it has. Like, well, you.

He says you have lower standards if you liked the ending, which is still an insult.

Liking something despite its problems doesn't mean you have lower standards, it means you have *different* standards. Perhaps, for example, the plot holes don't bother some people because they don't think the plot was ever that much good in the first place (this would mean they had "higher" standards).

Pretty much.

The entire game was riddled with "plotholes" and "space magic."

I find it mildly amusing that so many people didn't seem to notice until the last 5 minutes of the trilogy.

Overall, I enjoyed the ending. I thought the PRESENTATION was sloppy and it could use serious clarification. I'll form a more solid opinion after the DLC this summer. In the meantime, no amount of insults or bullying is going to inspire me to change my opinion.

[Cypher_CS]

I feel the same way.

I liked my chosen ending (synthesis).
Could have used more epilogue than just the post credits cinematic (or even a longer that one), but it was good.


Kinda sad that all mass relays are gone and no post victory coitus but....

Waiting anxiously for DLC, Extended Cut and future ME franchise games.
Also, still waiting on my Android Datapad and Infiltrator....

[nickkcin11]

jacobdg wrote...

Because people complain for no reason. Everything will be improved in the Extended Cut.

Huh. Yeah, I'm sure. People complain because they tried to be "artistic" and they tried to mindf**k the player in the end and failed absolutely. The ending didn't make sense at all. At all. The Indoctrination Theory makes 100 times more sense than the actual endings but you already know that it can't be true. Because there's no way the writer who came up with those garbage endings had any idea on what he was doing. If the Extended Cut doesn't add like ~10 minutes of extra stuff explaining what happens to ANYTHING (because at this point, everything seems pretty bleak no matter what you do) than it failed too. Hopefully they do something like in New Vegas, but I doubt BW wants there to actually be more than 1 ending. Oh well. Mass Effect, I <3ed you a lot. Played 1 and 2 six times a piece. I don't think I can ever replay you with the same enthusiasm knowing it all ends like this. That was a horrible ending, fact. It's not even an opinion at this point. Sure, you can like it, but you can like the Charlotte Bobcats, doesn't mean they don't suck ass. 

[Evil Minion]

nickkcin11 wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

Because people complain for no reason. Everything will be improved in the Extended Cut.

Huh. Yeah, I'm sure. People complain because they tried to be "artistic" and they tried to mindf**k the player in the end and failed absolutely. The ending didn't make sense at all. At all. The Indoctrination Theory makes 100 times more sense than the actual endings but you already know that it can't be true. Because there's no way the writer who came up with those garbage endings had any idea on what he was doing. If the Extended Cut doesn't add like ~10 minutes of extra stuff explaining what happens to ANYTHING (because at this point, everything seems pretty bleak no matter what you do) than it failed too. Hopefully they do something like in New Vegas, but I doubt BW wants there to actually be more than 1 ending. Oh well. Mass Effect, I <3ed you a lot. Played 1 and 2 six times a piece. I don't think I can ever replay you with the same enthusiasm knowing it all ends like this. That was a horrible ending, fact. It's not even an opinion at this point. Sure, you can like it, but you can like the Charlotte Bobcats, doesn't mean they don't suck ass. 

It is an opinion.

It will always be an opinion.

.

[Almighty_Hoogs]

In the end,the OP liked the game as a whole. There's no need for people to go and say "no your'e wrong to like it".He bought the game,like the rest, and he thought it was worth the cost.I don't like the ending though and there are plot holes,but i'm not going to shove them down someones throat.

[Maeshone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

People who like the endings come in a couple of colours.

Those who have never played or heard of Deus Ex.
Those who don't pay attention to the details
Those who headcanon their way around the numerous plot holes.
Those who have no real concept of ME lore
Those who like space

Played and heard of Deus Ex, doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed the ending
I pay lots of attention to details, doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed the ending
I do headcanon my way around the few really serious plotholes, but I've done that since freaking Mass Effect 1
I have plenty of concept of the Mass Effect lore, doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed the ending
I LOVE space magic, that is kind of a prerequisite for enjoying this series which is shockfull of so called "space magic"

I still wasn't satisfied with the endings though, because I wanted more closure for all my companions and the rest of the galaxy, and preferably some explanation to the few really large plotholes. Luckily, it looks like that is exactly what I' getting this summer.

[AlanC9]

nickkcin11 wrote...
. I the Extended Cut doesn't add like ~10 minutes of extra stuff explaining what happens to ANYTHING (because at this point, everything seems pretty bleak no matter what you do) than it failed too.

What if they explain things perfectly, but  the explanation is that things actually are bleak?

I don't think that's likely, though. Most of the really bleak interpretations of the endings seem to be mistakes. 

[Evil Minion]

Almighty_Hoogs wrote...

In the end,the OP liked the game as a whole. There's no need for people to go and say "no your'e wrong to like it".He bought the game,like the rest, and he thought it was worth the cost.I don't like the ending though and there are plot holes,but i'm not going to shove them down someones throat.

I <3 intelligent people.

Thank you.

[Thoughts_My_Aim]

Evil Minion wrote...

The entire game was riddled with "plotholes" and "space magic."

I find it mildly amusing that so many people didn't seem to notice until the last 5 minutes of the trilogy.

I actually think this is at the heart of a lot of people's problems with the ending (including mine). The problem isn't that the ending is so unbelievably bad that it wrecks the entire game, it's that the ending *foregrounds* a lot of things which have previously only been in the background.

[Foryou]

You probably thought it was good because your expections were extremly low, or you actually liked it. I thought it was bad (but not enough to file a complaint to the FTC)

[Sparky2146]

I'm happy for the OP. I would have loved to have felt the same. Hopefully with the forthcoming DLC, I'll feel the same.

[scott1118]

I can't wait until they manage to explain how my squad got shot by a reaper, teleported into jokers ship, and landed on a planet, after finding out why joker was fleeing the battle before i activated the crucible (since he was mid jump in a relay as the red/blue/green was chasing him)

Also i really cant wait to see what happens to the entire galatic fleet once they realise they're stranded on earth with no relays.

[scott1118]

Don't get me wrong, in a cinematic sense the ending was kinda cool and sacrificing shepard was necessary and a good way to close a trilogy. But people aren't complaining about that, people are complaining about things like the catalyst, a massively significant character introduced right at the end with no real "ME style" dialogue, illogical things like your squad being beamed up onto the normandy after being shot by a reaper and how no matter what you do in the entire trilogy it all comes down to 3 choices red blue and green.

People complain because the endind felt a bit rushed and lazy and not inline with the rest of the game, like it isn't even explained in detail how synthesis actually fuses biotic and synthetic into a new style of DNA, mass effect always had dialogue options or other dialogue and codex to explain technical detail and the science of things, i want to know.

[Thoughts_My_Aim]

To be fair, that isn't just an issue with the ending, ME3 was fairly low on ME-style dialogue throughout.

Were I feeling glib, I might point out that the inclusion of Action Mode removed a lot of the incentive to include meaningful dialogue choices in the game.

[Overule]

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...

To be fair, that isn't just an issue with the ending, ME3 was fairly low on ME-style dialogue throughout.

Were I feeling glib, I might point out that the inclusion of Action Mode removed a lot of the incentive to include meaningful dialogue choices in the game.

Yeahhh I was more than a little offput that my inter mission conversations were mostly replaced with automatic responses. One more way my involvement was stripped from the events of the game...

[AlanC9]

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...
I actually think this is at the heart of a lot of people's problems with the ending (including mine). The problem isn't that the ending is so unbelievably bad that it wrecks the entire game, it's that the ending *foregrounds* a lot of things which have previously only been in the background.

Someone here said that it wasn't so much that ME3's ending was bad as that it forced you to realize that the entire series was bad, and always had been. If I remembered who said it I'd put it in my sig.

[Repearized Miranda]

AlanC9 wrote...

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...
I actually think this is at the heart of a lot of people's problems with the ending (including mine). The problem isn't that the ending is so unbelievably bad that it wrecks the entire game, it's that the ending *foregrounds* a lot of things which have previously only been in the background.

Someone here said that it wasn't so much that ME3's ending was bad as that it forced you to realize that the entire series was bad, and always had been. If I remembered who said it I'd put it in my sig.

Hmm ... I guess that would be a "positive" spin since 'ME3 screws up the previous installments."

Not my words, of course.

I have seen them all and honestly don't care - but that was a rushed product if I've ever seen one.

I'll will say this though: The line said by Shepard at the intro was spot on. "You can't save everybody!" and you didn't. Squadmates leaving you to die (if you did) doesn't count.

Funny given that they (Joker) seem to if you did at ME2's conclusion.

Seems kinda the opposite of what happened last game. You tried so hard to "lose", but still won. Now, you try so hard to win, but still lose! Nicely played!

As they say: "There are no real winners here!" which may have been the point. *shrugs*

[Kuari999]

AJRimmsey wrote...

you still havent read it.

or you
would know as with every single "i liked the game" thread the OP was
attacked and barracked and called names for saying he liked the game.

go look,its right there on page 1.

then
it went from there to people demanding he explained why he liked
it,followed by more derision and insults from the game haters.

Funny,
I don't see one insult on the first page..  all I see is people asking
for an explanation, which is what a discussion is.  The greatest insult
in any discussion is the belief that your opinion should be immune from
explanation and criticism.  It is literally the most immature thing you
can do in a discussion short of direct name calling.  Why?  Because
you're making a statement that your opinion is better than everyone
else's simply because its yours.  That you don't have to explain
yourself while everyone else does.  "I don't understand what all the
hate is about" is pretty much ASKING for people to explain what the hate
is about.  Well they got an answer.  You don't have to like it, but it
sure as hell isn't an insult.  Attacking a point is never an insult. 
Attacking the person is.  You've done nothing but attack the people like
a grade school bully.

Evil Minion wrote...

Pretty much.

The entire game was riddled with "plotholes" and "space magic."

I find it mildly amusing that so many people didn't seem to notice until the last 5 minutes of the trilogy.

Overall, I enjoyed the ending. I thought the PRESENTATION was sloppy and it could use serious clarification. I'll form a more solid opinion after the DLC this summer. In the meantime, no amount of insults or bullying is going to inspire me to change my opinion.

See, I don't get this view either.  Where are these other plot holes and "space magic"?  The only real big one that comes to mind are thermal clips.  Even the codex explanation doesn't make sense, but its kind of to be expected of something that was written in simply to change a game mechanic.  All the other big plot holes I notice are clustered at the end.

[string3r]

It's good, if you don't think about it.

[pmac_tk421]

Stonetwister wrote...

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

Finally, someone I can agree with!

[HenchxNarf]

BobSmith101 wrote...

People who like the endings come in a couple of colours.

Those who have never played or heard of Deus Ex.
Those who don't pay attention to the details
Those who headcanon their way around the numerous plot holes.
Those who have no real concept of ME lore
Those who like space

This is all I hear when I read this kind of response.

I've played Deus Ex, and if you think Deus Ex was the first one to do this type of thing, you're sorely mistaken.
I pay attention to details, and because of that, I understood what most people call "plotholes"
I probably have a better understanding of the lore than you do.

But, it's people like you that I lothe. You're the type of person that is the reason why Pro Enders can't explain why they like the game.

[pmac_tk421]

HenchxNarf wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

People who like the endings come in a couple of colours.

Those who have never played or heard of Deus Ex.
Those who don't pay attention to the details
Those who headcanon their way around the numerous plot holes.
Those who have no real concept of ME lore
Those who like space

This is all I hear when I read this kind of response.

I've played Deus Ex, and if you think Deus Ex was the first one to do this type of thing, you're sorely mistaken.
I pay attention to details, and because of that, I understood what most people call "plotholes"
I probably have a better understanding of the lore than you do.

But, it's people like you that I lothe. You're the type of person that is the reason why Pro Enders can't explain why they like the game.

I've played Deus Ex and love it.
I pay attention to details.
I've thoguht hard about it.
I've been a huge ME nerd from Day 1.
Yes, I do love space, but I fail to see how it is relevant.

[Kuari999]

HenchxNarf wrote...

This is all I hear when I read this kind of response.

I've played Deus Ex, and if you think Deus Ex was the first one to do this type of thing, you're sorely mistaken.
I pay attention to details, and because of that, I understood what most people call "plotholes"
I probably have a better understanding of the lore than you do.

But, it's people like you that I lothe. You're the type of person that is the reason why Pro Enders can't explain why they like the game.

I'm honestly tired of the conclusion jumping on both sides, more than I'm tired of people claiming something isn't a plot hole while saying things that just further define it as such.  It doesn't do anyone any good...

[Link Ashland 614]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

People who like the endings come in a couple of colours.

Those who have never played or heard of Deus Ex.
Those who don't pay attention to the details
Those who headcanon their way around the numerous plot holes.
Those who have no real concept of ME lore
Those who like space

This is all I hear when I read this kind of response.

I've played Deus Ex, and if you think Deus Ex was the first one to do this type of thing, you're sorely mistaken.
I pay attention to details, and because of that, I understood what most people call "plotholes"
I probably have a better understanding of the lore than you do.

But, it's people like you that I lothe. You're the type of person that is the reason why Pro Enders can't explain why they like the game.

I've played Deus Ex and love it.
I pay attention to details.
I've thoguht hard about it.
I've been a huge ME nerd from Day 1.
Yes, I do love space, but I fail to see how it is relevant.

Same here, I even wanted to get Deus Ex several times, but have unable to get it.

Those who like the ending are no different to those who don't. We just  have different tastes and ideas, and doesn't make us better or worse.

Modifié par Link Ashland 614, 14 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[Vasarkian]

There are over 42 plotholes.