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#326
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AJRimmsey wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

1 - radiation
2 - space battle
3 - behind you..or before you as blast propelled him
4 - sensors
5 - they chose london for the scenery
6 - same way harbinger did
7 - radiation mutates and its energy
8 - neutron radiation destroys bio but not synthetic matter
9 - joker never once goes on away missions...coward ?
10 - you answered your own question


First off, while you can speculate reasons, the fact you need to speculate is generally what makes it a plot hole in the first place.

Second, radiation does not work that way.  Mutations don't change your body into synthetic parts.

Third, why the heck would Kohaku have access to the Citadel's sensors?

Fourth, it had less to do with why they chose a certain location and more to do with, why did they prepare so far ahead of time to give a clear path straight to what could destroy them?

Fifth, not going on away missions doesn't make him a coward.  Abandoning his comrades in a last ditch battle?  Oh hell yeah, that makes someone a coward.  In fact, irl militaries, of all sorts?  Abandoning comrades a pretty major offense.  Its just about the quickest way to get court martialed and thrown in prison.  Seriously, what's with your habit and trying to argue something completely unrelated to try and bash someone's point.  What relation does going on away missions have with RUNNING AWAY FROM A BATTLE?


1 - its a game,everything about it is speculation
2 - calcium is a metal
3 - because he wanted too
4 - the writers decided on it
5 - i am not arguing anything,you are getting upset at me giving my opinion

anyway,this is just derailing yet another "i liked the game " threads

just let someone voice an opinion without getting gang banged for once,its just a game



Okay I was going to just bypass this and move on, but lord I need to say something.

NO RADIATION POSITIVELY AFFECT LIVING ORGANISMS.  I'm going to go ahead and clarify this for you simply. The sun, emits radiation. If you are exposed to too much of it, then that radiation in varying doses can cause malignant cancer in the skin. Radiation does not build life, it destroys it, in all forms of radioactivity emitted. Radiation is ALWAYS harmful to living organisms, no matter what end of the spectrum it's being emitted from. Always. So no, radiation does not explain why organics combined with synthetics. That would require mutation of the DNA (and some sort of magical, rapid surgery of some kind since the complex mechanics necessary for synthetic materials to combine successfully with organic materials could NEVER spontaneously appear out of thin air, and would be impossible to install without direct intervention of some kind of intelligent being--like Miranda) , which more often than not results in negative results instead of positive results--especially if the being is already ALIVE, when their DNA begins to mutate.  

"The writers decided on it" is a pretty cheap cop-out for failing to utilize the most basic critical thinking skills. No amount of money or notoriety elevates the writers of BioWare, or BioWare themselves above critique. The ending is broken. It's fine if someone likes it, but be prepared to have delivered the technical, academic, objective reasons as to why the ending fell short of its intended purposes, as the WRITERS meant for them--not as how the community perceived it. Without the ability to critically analyze, an individual will not be able to recognize the short-comings of the ending, and will fall back on your line of thinking that: "the writers obviously meant it, so here's my money BioWare." No. Just... no. 

The way stories work, in case you were unaware, is not based on speculation. "Because the character wanted to," "because it was just meant to be that way." No, there is a neccessity for solid evidence to be presented, that can be quoted, and verified for any/all of your statements to be valid. That being said, the current ending as it stands can do no such thing. Games are not MEANT to be speculated on. This is again, another cop-out excuse.

GOOD WRITING WILL PROVIDE ANSWERS TO ITS MOST BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL, MEANINGFUL QUESTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED BY THE WRITING ITSELF. IT IS NOT PROPER WRITING IF THE AUDIENCE FINDS IT NECESSARY TO SEARCH OUTSIDE OF THE TEXT TO ANSWER THE TEXT. A STORY IS WRITTEN AS A SELF-SUSTAINING, STAND-ALONE PIECE, WHERE ALL ANSWERS LIE WITHIN IT.

This is based on generations of academia within the field of writing itself. It's an established rule that is not subjective. If the piece of writing explicitly directs the reader to go elsewhere, it is no longer a story, it is a research/report piece. 

I do not mind individuals who enjoy the ending, I do mind individuals who push out blanket statements of "just cuz" like you. Present reasonable arguments if you wish for your case to be valid, otherwise, you're doing more harm to the OP of this thread posting what you've posted, than good. I know individuals who have stated eloquent cases for why they like the ending, and I have nothing but respect for them, and have chosen not to debate further with them, but you... should probably stop talking, because you're doing them disservice. You've spoken many more unfounded, and illogical things... but this was just, a basic blunder of physics 101 that I needed to clarify. 

Modifié par EmEr77, 14 avril 2012 - 08:04 .


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Mr. Gogeta34

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

Gilliy wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Those who like the ending are cool with plot holes/gaps/inconsistencies... nothing wrong with that.

Some fans have lower standards than others...


This. Do you see this? This statement above me pisses me off. Just because someone doesn't instantly loath something the way you did does by no means mean they have lower standards, or a lower iq, or a lower what ever it is that you've decided is the insult of the moment.


He doesn't say you are dumb if you liked the ending. He just states that people who like the ending do it despite of the major problems it has. Like, well, you.


Bingo.

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AJRimmsey wrote...

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

He doesn't say you are dumb if you liked the ending. He just states that people who like the ending do it despite of the major problems it has. Like, well, you.


He says you have lower standards if you liked the ending, which is still an insult.

Liking something despite its problems doesn't mean you have lower standards, it means you have *different* standards. Perhaps, for example, the plot holes don't bother some people because they don't think the plot was ever that much good in the first place (this would mean they had "higher" standards).


you are not supposed to notice the insulting,as he thinks its masterfully hidden in sub text.

you went and spoiled it now,you happy ? ;)


The sub text of your own imagination.Image IPB

Would it feel better to say you have a lower/higher "tolerance for what you deem to be acceptable for good plot in a game?"Image IPB

"Standards" is simply the fastest way to say it.  Standards does not equal IQ, look up their definition if you don't believe me.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 avril 2012 - 08:02 .


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Sparky2146 wrote...

I'm happy for the OP. I would have loved to have felt the same. Hopefully with the forthcoming DLC, I'll feel the same.


another nicely put opinion

fingers crossed on dlc,damn shame its so far away

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Thoughts_My_Aim wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

He doesn't say you are dumb if you liked the ending. He just states that people who like the ending do it despite of the major problems it has. Like, well, you.


He says you have lower standards if you liked the ending, which is still an insult.

Liking something despite its problems doesn't mean you have lower standards, it means you have *different* standards. Perhaps, for example, the plot holes don't bother some people because they don't think the plot was ever that much good in the first place (this would mean they had "higher" standards).

no offence but if someone doesn't care about the plot or its consistency, why would I care or respect (to clarify, I have no problem if they like the ending) their opinion on a plot development (ending)

Modifié par 2papercuts, 14 avril 2012 - 08:22 .


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2papercuts wrote...

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”


Dang, that deserves its own thread.Image IPB

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 avril 2012 - 08:32 .


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Vasarkian wrote...

There are over 42 plotholes.


Hey, no fair! If you're going to put up exact numbers like that, at least link to a list so we can pick it apart.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

There are over 42 plotholes.


Hey, no fair! If you're going to put up exact numbers like that, at least link to a list so we can pick it apart.


I'm glad someone here's at least aware of how protocol works. Image IPB

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AlanC9 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

There are over 42 plotholes.


Hey, no fair! If you're going to put up exact numbers like that, at least link to a list so we can pick it apart.


Everytime a list is pointed out it either gets locked, closed, flooded, deleted, or ignored at the recesses of the forum.

But they exist, that's for sure.

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Oh, I see the Welcome Wagon already got to you. Don't let them police your thoughts too much. I thought the ending was decent.

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 Good for you I haven't reached the ending yet but I spoiled myself waiting for the patch. I was bothered by the starchild and the Reaper origin/motivation explanation. It was probably one of the biggest anti-climactic revelations I've seen/heard of in some time.

I really don't understand how people could like that explanation. It rendered Sovereign's bone-chilling speech meaningless and explained it away as hyperbole. Oh well, good for you. 

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AlanC9 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

There are over 42 plotholes.


Hey, no fair! If you're going to put up exact numbers like that, at least link to a list so we can pick it apart.

theres far more than 42

#338
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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Oh, I see the Welcome Wagon already got to you. Don't let them police your thoughts too much. I thought the ending was decent.


Yeah sure the concept was fabulous--if largely underdeveloped

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I agree with the OP here. While I do have some questions and would have liked to have seen what exactly happened to some people, I thought the ending was great. Just, as someone above me posted, underdeveloped.

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this shouldn't matter this much, it's just an ending to a game and it doesn't deserve people being angry months after having played it

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Kuari999 wrote...

See, I don't get this view either.  Where are these other plot holes and "space magic"?  The only real big one that comes to mind are thermal clips.  Even the codex explanation doesn't make sense, but its kind of to be expected of something that was written in simply to change a game mechanic.  All the other big plot holes I notice are clustered at the end.


For Space Magic, let's try:

- Element Zero
- Biotics
- The "Mass Effect" after which the series is *named*
- Asari psychic-interspecies-sex-whateverthehell
- The Citadel

For plot holes, let's start with the basic one: why haven't the Reapers won already? Are they just being polite? Are they just waiting for some super-awesome dude to show up? And what exactly is Cerberus *ever* all about?