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[Torrible]

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

[Sangheili_1337]

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

Modifié par Sangheili_1337, 14 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Well, I'm going to go take a look at those myself, just to try and get to know some of the people who feel the same way I do. But... while I do appreciate the attempt, you know that you're just going to get torn apart and belittled, and those posts completely ignored, right?

[Dridengx]

Kuari999 wrote...

 Maybe you should take a moment and think about that rather than jump to conclusions.  Maybe you should consider actually discussing the points rather than attacking the person, hmm?

In his defense and many others, with the mass amount of anti ender trolls here, it gets a bit tiring to repeat and type every single thing every other thread because they want you to disprove their space magic type claims. Who wants to do that especially to known trolls who show up in every thread? It becomes much easier to just call them out on their logic or lack thereof.

[Kuari999]

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Some well formed opinions to read through.  You know, I kind of wish this all wasn't buried to an extent.  I may not agree with them, but detailed and explained opinions hold a lot value to me, and honestly in the state of the forums right now, this stuff is a pain in the neck to find.  To be honest, this is all I expected from pro-enders and its damn nice to finally run into SOMEONE that comes forward with it, rather than resorting to calling people pathetic.

Dridengx wrote...
In his defense and many others, with the
mass amount of anti ender trolls here, it gets a bit tiring to repeat
and type every single thing every other thread because they want you to
disprove their space magic type claims. Who wants to do that especially
to known trolls who show up in every thread? It becomes much easier to
just call them out on their logic or lack thereof.

And that's why you just keep a record of it somewhere to link people to, maybe add to it as people ask questions about it.  That's all I expect, and all anyone can expect.  I still stand by there being a **** ton of plot holes, but I can at least see the reasoning behind people liking the base idea that they were trying to get across.  I still have a big issue with the fact that a lot of pro-enders don't seem to stop and think about it, and I really don't think one can form a real opinion until they do.

Modifié par Kuari999, 14 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[HenchxNarf]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

These are the types of people I hate.

I played ME for the story, and I loved the ending. And I'm far from ignorant.

You need to get out more and pop your bubble of misunderstanding before you decide to respond to someone again. Calling people ignorant for liking the ending is dumb. And it makes you look bad.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

You're wrong. And you're not worth it to explain in any more detail than that. Just sit there in your wrongness and be wrong.

[Dridengx]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story.

if you are not playing for the story then they wouldn't be paying attention and thus wouldn't like nor care or enjoy  the story. so your theory is completely broken before you even conducted any type of stats for it.

Modifié par Dridengx, 14 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Torrible]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Well, I'm going to go take a look at those myself, just to try and get to know some of the people who feel the same way I do. But... while I do appreciate the attempt, you know that you're just going to get torn apart and belittled, and those posts completely ignored, right?

That would pretty much describe the first couple of weeks after launch. However, I'm starting to see positivity creep back into the forums. People are actually starting threads that have nothing to do with the ending. The EC and Patrick Weeke's informal interview have established some modicum of calm as well. Also, I found that more people who can't stand irrational bandwagon hate and petulance are starting to speak out. 

[Sangheili_1337]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

These are the types of people I hate.

I played ME for the story, and I loved the ending. And I'm far from ignorant.

You need to get out more and pop your bubble of misunderstanding before you decide to respond to someone again. Calling people ignorant for liking the ending is dumb. And it makes you look bad.

Either you don't care about the plot holes, or you are able to explain them. Which is it?

[xsdob]

Kuari999 wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Some well formed opinions to read through.  You know, I kind of wish this all wasn't buried to an extent.  I may not agree with them, but detailed and explained opinions hold a lot value to me, and honestly in the state of the forums right now, this stuff is a pain in the neck to find.  To be honest, this is all I expected from pro-enders and its damn nice to finally run into SOMEONE that comes forward with it, rather than resorting to calling people pathetic.

Your side called us pathetic first, than belittled us, than whenever we brough evidence forward we were belittled some more and than dismissed as quickly as we could post.

Easy to say we didn't try, when you got the majority spamming the boards with accusations on your side.

[Embrosil]

Stonetwister wrote...

Wow, I have to be in a SERIOUS minority here.  I heard so much bad stuff about the ending that I was braced for something horrible, but I really liked it!  I chose the "synthesis" ending and it seemed very epic and very final.  Sure, a big party on board the Normandy with Shepard and a suitless Tali holding hands would have been better, but it was still very epic and satisfying.  To be honest, now that I have experienced it, I am not sure what all the hate is about.  I have been playing video games since Atari and the Mass Effect trilogy is without a question my favorite game of all time.  My hat is off to the finest development crew out there.

So copying end from other games and calling it artistic integrity is good? Strange. But good for you that you liked it. I just wonder why you played all three ME games. You could just asked for an autosave prior the end of ME3 and the experience would be same as NONE of your decisions you have ever made mattered.

Modifié par Embrosil, 14 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[HenchxNarf]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

These are the types of people I hate.

I played ME for the story, and I loved the ending. And I'm far from ignorant.

You need to get out more and pop your bubble of misunderstanding before you decide to respond to someone again. Calling people ignorant for liking the ending is dumb. And it makes you look bad.

Either you don't care about the plot holes, or you are able to explain them. Which is it?

"Plot holes" are subjective. I don't think you really know what that word means. Every game and story has a certain number of inconsistancies. But that doesn't make them plotholes.

However, you're too dense to try to explain things to, and your previous comment confirms that. So you are no longer worth my time.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Torrible wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Well, I'm going to go take a look at those myself, just to try and get to know some of the people who feel the same way I do. But... while I do appreciate the attempt, you know that you're just going to get torn apart and belittled, and those posts completely ignored, right?

That would pretty much describe the first couple of weeks after launch. However, I'm starting to see positivity creep back into the forums. People are actually starting threads that have nothing to do with the ending. The EC and Patrick Weeke's informal interview have established some modicum of calm as well. Also, I found that more people who can't stand irrational bandwagon hate and petulance are starting to speak out. 

Here's hoping. 

[Sangheili_1337]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

These are the types of people I hate.

I played ME for the story, and I loved the ending. And I'm far from ignorant.

You need to get out more and pop your bubble of misunderstanding before you decide to respond to someone again. Calling people ignorant for liking the ending is dumb. And it makes you look bad.

Either you don't care about the plot holes, or you are able to explain them. Which is it?

"Plot holes" are subjective. I don't think you really know what that word means. Every game and story has a certain number of inconsistancies. But that doesn't make them plotholes.

However, you're too dense to try to explain things to, and your previous comment confirms that. So you are no longer worth my time.

Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Juromaro wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 All the explanation that you need. Be sure to read every thread.

"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut with more clarity and colors!). 
http://social.biowar...index/11268753/ 

Well, I'm going to go take a look at those myself, just to try and get to know some of the people who feel the same way I do. But... while I do appreciate the attempt, you know that you're just going to get torn apart and belittled, and those posts completely ignored, right?

That would pretty much describe the first couple of weeks after launch. However, I'm starting to see positivity creep back into the forums. People are actually starting threads that have nothing to do with the ending. The EC and Patrick Weeke's informal interview have established some modicum of calm as well. Also, I found that more people who can't stand irrational bandwagon hate and petulance are starting to speak out. 

One can only read so many pages of hate before they feel inclined to comment:bandit:

Well I know that's how it started with me. I was burned out on the hate and posted in one thread that I liked the ending and... well. 

I used to be an optomist, but then I took a BSN to the knee.

[An English Gamer]

I wish I could say the same.  <snip> I added some spoilers without realising:pinched:

Modifié par An English Gamer, 14 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[xsdob]

From a symbolic standpoint, the endings did everything right. Unfortunately, symbolism tends to fly right over people's heads if they don't look for it. The endings were going for symbolic, but the fans only saw the literal interpretation instead of seeing what the images on the screen were trying to convey.

That's the problem with trying to do this kind of thing in a sci-fi action adventure, fans don't expect it so when it comes up it's a complete reversal of the events taken for literal value alone and all the plotholes creep in. The endings end up sucking because they weren't meant to be taken as 100% rational or literal, but a mix of actual events and symbolc imagrey.

Course, because I've posted this, people will claim I don't want a new ending and that I'm an artistic integrity spammer. Such is the fate of a person who tries to control his emotions and types what seems to be rational observations.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[Embrosil]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

The only way one can enjoy the ending is if they don't play Mass Effect for the story. You cannot say its a good ending in the face of all of the plot inconsistencies. You have to be ignorant to accept the ending. Not saying its bad that you liked the ending, its great that you do. Just stating the only possible reason one would do.

These are the types of people I hate.

I played ME for the story, and I loved the ending. And I'm far from ignorant.

You need to get out more and pop your bubble of misunderstanding before you decide to respond to someone again. Calling people ignorant for liking the ending is dumb. And it makes you look bad.

Either you don't care about the plot holes, or you are able to explain them. Which is it?

"Plot holes" are subjective. I don't think you really know what that word means. Every game and story has a certain number of inconsistancies. But that doesn't make them plotholes.

However, you're too dense to try to explain things to, and your previous comment confirms that. So you are no longer worth my time.

And intoroducing two deux ex machinas in one story is good? And if plotholes are subjective, maybe you can tell us less fortunate why and where was Joker flying? Or maybe you can tell us why we bothered to stop Sovereign in ME1 when the starbrat was on the citadel all the time and could call reapers any time? Or maybe... Well, better not. This "ending" is bad beyond believe and no matter how EA Edmonton tries to "explain it" will change this fact.

[HenchxNarf]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

[DaylaLayne]

Ok i really try to understand everyones stance on the ending, but honestly I can't see how it makes sense I would love to know,really

Modifié par YayCookies, 14 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[Kuari999]

xsdob wrote...
Your side called us pathetic first, than belittled us, than whenever we brough evidence forward we were belittled some more and than dismissed as quickly as we could post.

Easy to say we didn't try, when you got the majority spamming the boards with accusations on your side.

OK, this is ugly territory here.  First off, do you have the VERY first post on this subject on hand?  Does anyone even remember the very first topic.  The question of what side started what is not a question that is usually able to be clearly answered in these situations because there are a lot of different viewpoints on how things started.

Second, should this discussion REALLY be about who is pathetic and who isn't in the first place?  Degenerating into that only degenerates things even further.

[xsdob]

YayCookies wrote...

Ok i really try to understand everyones stance on the ending, but honestly I van't see how it makes sense I would love to know,really

Here's a comprehensve list and link resourse page.

Enjoy.