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[DaylaLayne]

uh where?

Not just anti ending I want to see pro ending as well i get the anti ending stuff I usually agree with ir

Modifié par YayCookies, 14 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[xsdob]

Kuari999 wrote...

xsdob wrote...
Your side called us pathetic first, than belittled us, than whenever we brough evidence forward we were belittled some more and than dismissed as quickly as we could post.

Easy to say we didn't try, when you got the majority spamming the boards with accusations on your side.

OK, this is ugly territory here.  First off, do you have the VERY first post on this subject on hand?  Does anyone even remember the very first topic.  The question of what side started what is not a question that is usually able to be clearly answered in these situations because there are a lot of different viewpoints on how things started.

Second, should this discussion REALLY be about who is pathetic and who isn't in the first place?  Degenerating into that only degenerates things even further.

Alright, I've raged too long now to really even care about this kind of thing. Just statements that seem to imply that pro-enders haven't done enough to try and prove their case get me pissed.

Sorry man, I'm willing to let this go completly, have been for a while now, but old wounds still hurt when brought up.

Heck, I'm stuck as an officer for a movement I don't even agree with now, so who the hell am I to complain about the proenders, part of my responibility is to help them now.

I can't believe how this fandom works sometimes.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 avril 2012 - 07:52 .

[Sangheili_1337]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

[Kuari999]

HenchxNarf wrote...

"Plot holes" are subjective. I don't think you really know what that word means. Every game and story has a certain number of inconsistancies. But that doesn't make them plotholes.

However, you're too dense to try to explain things to, and your previous comment confirms that. So you are no longer worth my time.

Plot holes is anything plot related that goes completely unexplained, whether it be related to the story itself, or unusual actions of a character.  Some aspects like the unusual actions?  Could be subjective to an extent, but there are some things that are plot holes, regardless of what someone WANTS to think.  The question then at best becomes, was it done in an acceptable way.  Generally when there are a bunch of these clumped together with no information to speculate with, no context to even form an opinion with, its considered a writing flaw and a major one.  Out of all writing flaws, its one that causes the most rage amongst a fanbase, thus the scale of the reaction..  What am I basing this on?  Mostly the parallels between this and "The Final Problem".

xsdob wrote...

Alright, I've raged too long now to really
even care about this kind of thing. Just statements that seem to imply
that pro-enders haven't done enough to try and prove their case get me
pissed.

Sorry man, I'm willing to let this go completly, have been for a while now, but old wounds still hurt when brought up.

Heck,
I'm stuck as an officer for a movement I don't even agree with now, so
who the hell am I to complain about the proenders, part of my
responibility is to help them now.

I can't believe how this fandom works sometimes.

Perspective is a powerful things.  For me, this is the first topic I've actually gotten intelligent answers involving pro-enders.  That alone is some clarity that I've been keeping an eye out for because I did not understand how anyone could think any of this as ok.  I still don't understand why some people are ok with the blatantly false statements BioWare made, but at this point, they're fixing those, even if not in the best way possible in my view, so I rather not argue too much about that.  That will just come down to clashing opinions.

Modifié par Kuari999, 14 avril 2012 - 07:57 .

[HenchxNarf]

xsdob wrote...

Heck, I'm stuck as an officer for a movement I don't even agree with now, so who the hell am I to complain about the proenders, part of my responibility is to help them now.

Um. If you're 'stuck' maybe you shouldn't be a part of it in the first place?

[xsdob]

YayCookies wrote...

uh where?

http://social.biowar...ndex/11268753/1

Also was posted earlier in the thread.

I forgot to link it last time.

Now you may enjoy.

[Ponendus]

YayCookies wrote...

Ok i really try to understand everyones stance on the ending, but honestly I can't see how it makes sense I would love to know,really

See for me the ambiguity is the appeal. The fact that there are unanswered questions is fantastic. I can wonder forever what things meant and why they happened. I really like the ending. 

[HenchxNarf]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

For 1 and 2. Joker probably got the "Shiz, everyone is dead. Must retreat!" and picked up the survivors and got the hell out of there.

As for Anderson, he could have been closer. And the Starkid took a form that was familiar to you. He's a reaper, the kid was a VI for them, pretty much.

[DaylaLayne]

@ xsdob Thank you

[Father_Jerusalem]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

Did you actually play the Control ending, because I don't think that you did.

Oh, and Starchild takes the form of the kid because it's a familiar form to Shepard. Just, you know, since you asked.

[Well]

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

[Sangheili_1337]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

For 1 and 2. Joker probably got the "Shiz, everyone is dead. Must retreat!" and picked up the survivors and got the hell out of there.

As for Anderson, he could have been closer. And the Starkid took a form that was familiar to you. He's a reaper, the kid was a VI for them, pretty much.

But the space magic doesnt harm him and the Normandys crew. Even on destroy, people had EDI come out of the ship. How does Anderson get past the Reaper ground forces when Hammer was unable? Since when was it stated that the Reapers are capable of reading Shepard's mind in order to have the catalyst take the form of the child? You are just guessing in order to fill the holes. That is what I mean.

[xsdob]

HenchxNarf wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Heck, I'm stuck as an officer for a movement I don't even agree with now, so who the hell am I to complain about the proenders, part of my responibility is to help them now.

Um. If you're 'stuck' maybe you shouldn't be a part of it in the first place?

I got asked to do it after I made a post making fun of the name they chose. The founder tweaked the tittle a little and pm'd me to act as a co-founder. I told him I was a former pro-ender and a moderate to proender fan now and neutral about bioware, so he offered me an officer role instead to help give a different perspective for the movement. Seemed like a good chance to stop the group from going ferral like I saw a lot of the retake and Hold the line guys do so I joined up.

My adivce gets used from time to time but I don't like how my words seem to be tweaked to match the hardline message, some of the reasons and motives the movement list are even one's I wrote in the officers topic. Plus my advice to keep things freindly and civil towards other fans has helped them net a large amount of followers, about 50 or so more people than before I gave that advice.

But now I'm thinking of resigning. Too much hate in this movement, I can tell from the way some of the fans talk about bioware and ea, like their actual battlefeild enemies or something. Plus I've never gotten over that tweaking that the guy did to my original ideas, even if he kept most of it intact. 

[HenchxNarf]

Well wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

Have you not seen BSN over the last month? It's riddled with people who declare they dislike the game, so they really haven't been refused anything. So  your statement is ridiculous. It's the ones that like the ending that get so much shiz that they get flooded off the boards.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Well wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

Because this was a "I liked the ending" thread, not one of the numerous "*rageragerageBIOWARESUCKSANDISTHEDEVILANDME3ISAWFULANDCASEYOWESMEABICYCLErageragerage* threads. If you want to go ahead and talk about how much you hate the endings in one of those, go right ahead. I promise you, most of us "that hate gamers that didn't like the ending" - to use your words, which aren't anywhere close to being true, but whatever - will go ahead and leave you right alone.

Yet... the same courtesy isn't shown to us. 

Sadface.

[Sangheili_1337]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

Did you actually play the Control ending, because I don't think that you did.

Oh, and Starchild takes the form of the kid because it's a familiar form to Shepard. Just, you know, since you asked.

What about the control ending? The catalyst states that Shepard will die when taking the control option. How is the starchild supposed to know about the kid who died?

[HenchxNarf]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

But the space magic doesnt harm him and the Normandys crew. Even on destroy, people had EDI come out of the ship. How does Anderson get past the Reaper ground forces when Hammer was unable? Since when was it stated that the Reapers are capable of reading Shepard's mind in order to have the catalyst take the form of the child? You are just guessing in order to fill the holes. That is what I mean.

No, I'm not. I'm actually, you know, paying attention to everything that has been happening over the game.

He crash landed, so it's safe to say it 'harmed' him because the ship couldn't fly. Joker's the best pilot the alliance has, it's pretty reasonable that he could crash land safely.

[DaylaLayne]

uh i played the control ending accidently(I am sure that is spelled wrong). I still kinda have many questions

[AJRimmsey]

Well wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

someone jumped in without reading the whole thread

[Father_Jerusalem]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...


Concession accepted. There is a reason a extended cut is being made. Bioware is trying to make a ending that makes sense.

It actually did make sense. They're explaining it for those that didn't understand it. You realize the difference, right?

Ok some plot hole examples. Why is Joker flying away? How did your squadmates teleport to the Normandy? How did Anderson get to the beacon before Shepard? Why does the starchild take the form of the kid from the beginning of the game? In the control ending, who is controlling the Reapers if Shepard is dead? You cant just make random speculation and handwave these questions away. You might as well write your own fanfiction. I can just rationalize the first question as Joker doesnt like the color red, must get away. 
 

Did you actually play the Control ending, because I don't think that you did.

Oh, and Starchild takes the form of the kid because it's a familiar form to Shepard. Just, you know, since you asked.

What about the control ending? The catalyst states that Shepard will die when taking the control option. How is the starchild supposed to know about the kid who died?

So, you haven't actually played the Control ending. I would explain to you the key facts that you're missing, but I do TRY to respect the no spoilers policy - well, okay, I'm trying to be better about it. 

As for the kid.... because the starchild is a 37+ million year old Elder God who created the Reapers, who are experts at mind control and influencing. I'm pretty sure it's picked up a trick or two in all that time.

[Kuari999]

xsdob wrote...
But now I'm thinking of resigning. Too much hate in this movement, I can tell from the way some of the fans talk about bioware and ea, like their actual battlefeild enemies or something. Plus I've never gotten over that tweaking that the guy did to my original ideas, even if he kept most of it intact. 

You can hardly blame people for hating EA...  A company joining EA has always been followed by that company's founding principles slowly being twisted.  I've watched a lot of my favorite companies slowly die under EA that yeah, I would love to see them fall.  I think the gaming industry NEEDS to see them fall.  I honestly believe it'd breath a lot of new life into the industry over time...  sort of like cutting down an old rotting tree and planting a new one.  Its similar to how I wouldn't care if BioWare fell if certain aspects don't go back to what they once were.  I don't think the company will truely die even if it fell, I think it'd just be remade under a different name, which I'd be ok with.

[Well]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Well wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

Because this was a "I liked the ending" thread, not one of the numerous "*rageragerageBIOWARESUCKSANDISTHEDEVILANDME3ISAWFULANDCASEYOWESMEABICYCLErageragerage* threads. If you want to go ahead and talk about how much you hate the endings in one of those, go right ahead. I promise you, most of us "that hate gamers that didn't like the ending" - to use your words, which aren't anywhere close to being true, but whatever - will go ahead and leave you right alone.

Yet... the same courtesy isn't shown to us. 

Sadface.

I prefer Eddings for my fiction.Thanks anyways.I would explain it to you by why bother.Some folks just can't see pass their own  nose.