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[HenchxNarf]

vertigo72 wrote...

You are not alone

of course they aren't!

[Exia001]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Reading these posts are hilarious.. How are people trying to explain plot holes with no real evidence?

They make things up to fill in the gaps to pretend its not a real plot hole.

Um isn't that a plot hole?

Couldn't have said it any better.

What is a plothole but something that cannot be explained? All the plotholes have been explained by people other than Bioware, so unless Bioware comes out and says something about these so called plotholes it's all just a topic for arguements.

You ask for an explaination and when you get one you dismiss it. So unless your waiting for it to come from Bioware why ask for one from a public forum if you aren't willing to accept it?

Dismissing a explanation is perfectly fine if it doesnt make sense. I gave reasonings behind why a given explanation was not acceptable. What you are asking me to do is accept the plot hole.

why not save the arguing and just tell us what the explaination to your "plotholes" is ?

It does not matter if he can explain it or not, the point is that they are not anywhere explained in the story - not in story - plothole

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Lucky OP, I wish I felt like that too.
But just loosing control for such and important thing is horrible, let alone all the other flaws.

[HenchxNarf]

Exia001 wrote...

It does not matter if he can explain it or not, the point is that they are not anywhere explained in the story - not in story - plothole

Actually, most everything that people think are 'plotholes' are explained throughout the series.

[Exia001]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

It does not matter if he can explain it or not, the point is that they are not anywhere explained in the story - not in story - plothole

Actually, most everything that people think are 'plotholes' are explained throughout the series.

such as?

[AJRimmsey]

Exia001 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Reading these posts are hilarious.. How are people trying to explain plot holes with no real evidence?

They make things up to fill in the gaps to pretend its not a real plot hole.

Um isn't that a plot hole?

Couldn't have said it any better.

What is a plothole but something that cannot be explained? All the plotholes have been explained by people other than Bioware, so unless Bioware comes out and says something about these so called plotholes it's all just a topic for arguements.

You ask for an explaination and when you get one you dismiss it. So unless your waiting for it to come from Bioware why ask for one from a public forum if you aren't willing to accept it?

Dismissing a explanation is perfectly fine if it doesnt make sense. I gave reasonings behind why a given explanation was not acceptable. What you are asking me to do is accept the plot hole.

why not save the arguing and just tell us what the explaination to your "plotholes" is ?

It does not matter if he can explain it or not, the point is that they are not anywhere explained in the story - not in story - plothole

its just that he keeps demanding answers to his plotholes,and everytime one is offered he shoots it down as "dismissed"

and being as only a writer or dev can actually say if there are plotholes,it means just asking a daft question nobody can answer to his satisfaction.

until a dev says yes or no everyones opinion is just that..an opinion

so constantly barracking people for answers he doesnt like is unproductive

[Exia001]

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

[HenchxNarf]

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

Really? Cause that could be debatable.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 14 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[AJRimmsey]

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

ok..so would you say that the normandy being the only ship exploring the galaxy is a plothole ?

and that there are no toilets on the citadel is another ?

nobody on the normandy ever uses the toilets ?

the bridge crew never leaves the bridge no matter how long the game is running ?

i could go on forever,but we pick and choose what a plothole is dont we

[HenchxNarf]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

ok..so would you say that the normandy being the only ship exploring the galaxy is a plothole ?

and that there are no toilets on the citadel is another ?

nobody on the normandy ever uses the toilets ?

the bridge crew never leaves the bridge no matter how long the game is running ?

i could go on forever,but we pick and choose what a plothole is dont we

Oh, I like you. You're amazeballs.

[Father_Jerusalem]

I'd just like to take a moment to point out that I was asked to explain the Starchild looking like a kid, and I did so in a way that makes logical, consistent sense with what we saw in the game.

That explanation has been ignored. This, right here, is why many of us have given up trying to explain things.

[Exia001]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

ok..so would you say that the normandy being the only ship exploring the galaxy is a plothole ?

and that there are no toilets on the citadel is another ?

nobody on the normandy ever uses the toilets ?

the bridge crew never leaves the bridge no matter how long the game is running ?

i could go on forever,but we pick and choose what a plothole is dont we

Those are asthetic, they have nothing to do with plot

[AJRimmsey]

HenchxNarf wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

ok..so would you say that the normandy being the only ship exploring the galaxy is a plothole ?

and that there are no toilets on the citadel is another ?

nobody on the normandy ever uses the toilets ?

the bridge crew never leaves the bridge no matter how long the game is running ?

i could go on forever,but we pick and choose what a plothole is dont we

Oh, I like you. You're amazeballs.

wish i didnt say it

just had 100`s of them running through my head.

from never seeing a spent ammo case on the ground to never seeing a tampon dispenser

my head hurts


and yes father jerusalem..i noticed the point get ignored

[Noelemahc]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'd just like to take a moment to point out that I was asked to explain the Starchild looking like a kid, and I did so in a way that makes logical, consistent sense with what we saw in the game. 

My worry with the Starchild are less about his/its appearance and more with the stupid stuff it says, but I'll bite.

Why does it have to be a kid? Why not some other dead person from Shep's life? The biggest missed moment/most often suggested alternative was the Virmire Casualty. Also would've coloured the opinion of it some players would have, but because they already had a proper opinion of that character and maybe good reasons for picking them to die. Also would've made replaying the game more palatable even for those of us who hate the non-choices.

[AJRimmsey]

Noelemahc wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'd just like to take a moment to point out that I was asked to explain the Starchild looking like a kid, and I did so in a way that makes logical, consistent sense with what we saw in the game. 

My worry with the Starchild are less about his/its appearance and more with the stupid stuff it says, but I'll bite.

Why does it have to be a kid? Why not some other dead person from Shep's life? The biggest missed moment/most often suggested alternative was the Virmire Casualty. Also would've coloured the opinion of it some players would have, but because they already had a proper opinion of that character and maybe good reasons for picking them to die. Also would've made replaying the game more palatable even for those of us who hate the non-choices.

why not a dog ?

cat ?

belly button fluff ?

they chose a child,which i thought was shepards mind making it himself as a boy.

but that again was my imagination

[Father_Jerusalem]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please point out to me where I said mind reading. I'll wait.

You didn't say it specifically, but you did mention something about a form familiar to Shepard earlier..  and yet how would Starchild have known without reading his mind?  How would he have known that the form haunted him in some way?

One of the early theories that came out after footage from the demo showing the boy in the vent was that it was all a hallucination, one caused by the Reapers to screw with Shepard or guide him/her on a path that the Reapers were trying to set out for him. If you watch the cutscenes of the boy on Earth, for instance, you can see nobody else interacting with him, save Shepard.

Do I subscribe to this theory? Not necessarily. It could be as simple as Shepard writing about his/her dreams in a dream journal, and someone on-board the Normandy being indoctrinted and passing all that kind of information on up the chain. 

But it makes more sense than Indoctrination Theory.

Just to repeat myself. If Shepard had seen the VS in the vent back on Earth, he probably would have guessed something was up. 

N'est-ce pas?

[Exia001]

But we could of had anyone, any of the dead ME characters, and they went with Generic Child B514B-C

[HenchxNarf]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'd just like to take a moment to point out that I was asked to explain the Starchild looking like a kid, and I did so in a way that makes logical, consistent sense with what we saw in the game. 

My worry with the Starchild are less about his/its appearance and more with the stupid stuff it says, but I'll bite.

Why does it have to be a kid? Why not some other dead person from Shep's life? The biggest missed moment/most often suggested alternative was the Virmire Casualty. Also would've coloured the opinion of it some players would have, but because they already had a proper opinion of that character and maybe good reasons for picking them to die. Also would've made replaying the game more palatable even for those of us who hate the non-choices.

why not a dog ?

cat ?

belly button fluff ?

they chose a child,which i thought was shepards mind making it himself as a boy.

but that again was my imagination

A talking cat would have been much more productive.

Or you know.. You would think you were freaking psychotic if you saw someone who died talking to you.

[Father_Jerusalem]

HenchxNarf wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

You dont need to be told if somethings a plothole for it to be a plothole, we're not sheep

ok..so would you say that the normandy being the only ship exploring the galaxy is a plothole ?

and that there are no toilets on the citadel is another ?

nobody on the normandy ever uses the toilets ?

the bridge crew never leaves the bridge no matter how long the game is running ?

i could go on forever,but we pick and choose what a plothole is dont we

Oh, I like you. You're amazeballs.

My favorite, which I understand for game play purposes, is why in the ancient Krogan ruins, that nobody's visited for centuries, are there modern thermal clips for you to reload your weapons with? 

But "How does Councilor Udina poo" is a close second.

[Well]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Well wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

i have a question too

why do the game haters get so angry that they refuse to let anyone just declare they liked the game ?

are we who enjoyed so scary ?

Why do those that hate gamers that didn't like the ending get so angry that they refuse to let anyone declare they disliked the game?

someone jumped in without reading the whole thread

Actually I did read it.I just find it amusing that if someone post they disliked the ending they are attacked.
That is ok apparently.Pro enders jump on folks like maggots on meat.See if someone enjoy the ending it is their game and I glad they got their moneys worth.The ending was a joke to me.They can make all the CYA DLC they want it won't change it.Now most folks were not attacking the OP but posting their opinion.I know that is unacceptable to some.Where are the Stasi when you need them.So what about folks that start a thread about the terrible ending?Aren't  they attacked?Or is it acceptable by your standards?

[Noelemahc]

Just to repeat myself. If Shepard had seen the VS in the vent back on Earth, he probably would have guessed something was up.

N'est-ce pas?

Ah, crap, sorry, didn't find your post in time. Yes, that theory works, if we accept that the child was a hallucination all along. Just goes to show that I didn't like the entire Sarah Connor thing with Shepard fixating on the kid in his/her dreams, especially that the shadow people are a much more infinitely interesting (and well-done, both narratively and graphically) element of the nightmares.

But "How does Councilor Udina poo" is a close second.

Silly rabbit, of course he goes to the Presidium lake! What a short-sighted question!

On a serious note, I think VtMB was the only non-2d RPG to ever concern itself with people actually using restrooms in a realistic manner (or HAVING them to begin with).

Modifié par Noelemahc, 14 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[AJRimmsey]

HenchxNarf wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'd just like to take a moment to point out that I was asked to explain the Starchild looking like a kid, and I did so in a way that makes logical, consistent sense with what we saw in the game. 

My worry with the Starchild are less about his/its appearance and more with the stupid stuff it says, but I'll bite.

Why does it have to be a kid? Why not some other dead person from Shep's life? The biggest missed moment/most often suggested alternative was the Virmire Casualty. Also would've coloured the opinion of it some players would have, but because they already had a proper opinion of that character and maybe good reasons for picking them to die. Also would've made replaying the game more palatable even for those of us who hate the non-choices.

why not a dog ?

cat ?

belly button fluff ?

they chose a child,which i thought was shepards mind making it himself as a boy.

but that again was my imagination

A talking cat would have been much more productive.

Or you know.. You would think you were freaking psychotic if you saw someone who died talking to you.

was just about to suggest sheps dead dad,but you are right.

anyone dead would open the door to shep being a raisin short of a fruitcake

[HenchxNarf]

Well wrote...

Actually I did read it.I just find it amusing that if someone post they disliked the ending they are attacked.
That is ok apparently.Pro enders jump on folks like maggots on meat.See if someone enjoy the ending it is their game and I glad they got their moneys worth.The ending was a joke to me.They can make all the CYA DLC they want it won't change it.Now most folks were not attacking the OP but posting their opinion.I know that is unacceptable to some.Where are the Stasi when you need them.So what about folks that start a thread about the terrible ending?Aren't  they attacked?Or is it acceptable by your standards?

More often than not, when an anti-ender makes a thread that they dislike the ending, they're left alone. Because most pro-enders steer clear of those threads. It's when they make idiotic threads about dumb stuff that it gets hairy.

Of course, pro-enders don't get that same courtasy. They get told they should jump off a bridge and that they should go back to playing COD.

Cause you know.. that's fair right?

[Noelemahc]

Of course, pro-enders don't get that same courtasy. They get told they should jump off a bridge and that they should go back to playing COD.

There are freaks on both sides. I've seen more than enough pro-enders come into anti-ender threads calling everyone stupid for not being able to understand the symbolism and wanting to have a "bunnies and butterflies" ending, even as people were discussing possible ways of outlining the relay destruction to make it look at least a LITTLE less like a technological dark age. Let's try not to get sidetracked into discussing whose idiots or whose smart peoples are better or worse, please? This whole "my grandfather would frell YOUR grandfather up" stuff should remain in kindergarten.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 14 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Well]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Well wrote...

Actually I did read it.I just find it amusing that if someone post they disliked the ending they are attacked.
That is ok apparently.Pro enders jump on folks like maggots on meat.See if someone enjoy the ending it is their game and I glad they got their moneys worth.The ending was a joke to me.They can make all the CYA DLC they want it won't change it.Now most folks were not attacking the OP but posting their opinion.I know that is unacceptable to some.Where are the Stasi when you need them.So what about folks that start a thread about the terrible ending?Aren't  they attacked?Or is it acceptable by your standards?

More often than not, when an anti-ender makes a thread that they dislike the ending, they're left alone. Because most pro-enders steer clear of those threads. It's when they make idiotic threads about dumb stuff that it gets hairy.

Of course, pro-enders don't get that same courtasy. They get told they should jump off a bridge and that they should go back to playing COD.

Cause you know.. that's fair right?

lol I can't believe you said that.That is too funny.