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[fainmaca]

Sparatus wrote...

I should not be "punished" because I chose to have a relationship with the wrong fictional character. Either give them all equal content, or none at all.

Agreed. although it does seem as though Bioware have made a lot of the LIs the 'Wrong' choice.

Seems that, unless your Shepard is a suicidal Paragon Liaramancer, Bioware didn't make the game for you.

[lillitheris]

Sparatus wrote...

I should not be "punished" because I chose to have a relationship with the wrong fictional character. Either give them all equal content, or none at all.

There's a huge flipside to that, though. If they all have equal content, will their character development suffer?

Would Samara be Samara if she just dumped the whole justicaring thing for you? Etc.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Nº2 Liara T'soni

Don't even get me started... I'm fresh after finishing a playthrough, and even though I romanced Cortez, she was the one that showed up in that flashaback scene when I was shooting at the "destroy" pipes. Why??? I barely spoke to her the whole game. 

Seriously, before ME3 I simply igonred her (unless I had no other choice). After ME3 my dislike of her borders on hate, for all the reasons you listed, and few more. And I think it's not fair, that all my ME1 and ME2 squadmates can die, one way or another, except her. Mordin's left eye was worth more to me, than she. No to mention Legion...     

Modifié par mrufka_z, 14 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[reeot]

Sir Xion66 is right. I like your point of view.

Personally i can deal with TIM... but i can't with Starchild and Kai Leng, like you wonderfully described it.

Kai Leng was great character in Retribution, but what Bioware had done to him in ME3 sucks.

Modifié par reeot, 14 avril 2012 - 09:41 .

[TekFanX]

Personally I'm fine with Liara, Garrus, Tali...pretty much every character. Except the flat Kay Leng and this Star-Child.

But yeah...sucks if you chose Ashley as LI in ME1.
I remember something like "You'll be rewarded, if you stay true to your LI from ME1."
Personally I don't see that in ME3.
Ashley almost behaves exactly the same to a character that didn't romance her and a character that romanced her.
I admit I don't know what happens if you cheated her, but I don't really feel rewarded either.
I've got a m-shep with Ashley and a f-shep with Garrus as LI.
And sadly I didn't feel Ashley to differ much in both playthroughs.

Am I jealous towards the people who romanced Liara?
No. She is an interesting character, and her Singularity is great for a sentinel-class-player like me.
And tLotSB was a great DLC, I disliked Liara's flat excuse on Illium as much as you.
Do I wish Ashley would have more content?
Yes, absolutely.

Modifié par TekFanX, 14 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[Druzgot]

I am a little pissed off with that. In ME1 all characters was even in treatment, every squad mate had same chances to like them. Now few characters got lack of everythink( including my favorite from ME1- Ashley:()

[NoUserNameHere]

I wouldn't call Kai Leng a writer's pet. I wouldn't even call him a failed character. They said he was to be a 'Darth Maul' type character and that was what he was.

Looked cool, lacking in substance. Charartarization, nil.

The Starchild seems like the closest thing in recent memory to a legitimate author stand-in.

[cg8900]

agree with Nº2 Liara T'soni she's the definition of pet

[HoldTheLine]

Wow, this was a very good read, which is something very rare to the forums these days...
Good work, OP

[Chrillze]

Sparatus wrote...

I should not be "punished" because I chose to have a relationship with the wrong fictional character. Either give them all equal content, or none at all.

This is a game, you should be punished if you chose the wrong romance. Also they shouldn't give equal content to all characters, Liara and The Garrus are the best written characters and should get the most screentime, Thane and Ashley are flat characters that are just there to fill up a certain spot

Modifié par Chrillze, 14 avril 2012 - 10:21 .

[DevApp]

Funny thing... I'm a suicidal paragon liaramancer and *I* think Liara's a bit forced. Well, if you didn't romance her of course.

Thing is I regretted romancing her at different points in ME3. I completely ignored the fact she was Benezia's daughter in ME1 and showed her unquestioning trust. I helped her without hesitation on Thessia and fought the Shadow Broker with her. I was a big damn hero and rescued her on Mars...

And she acts like a cold fish for most of the $@%^! game. After Thessia, I was literally yelling at the screen for an option to hug her. She and Shep are sharing one of the most traumatic expereinces someone could face, watching their planet and civilization fall, and Shep doesn't even try to hug her?

[lillitheris]

DevApp wrote...

And she acts like a cold fish for most of the $@%^! game. After Thessia, I was literally yelling at the screen for an option to hug her. She and Shep are sharing one of the most traumatic expereinces someone could face, watching their planet and civilization fall, and Shep doesn't even try to hug her?

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[fainmaca]

DevApp wrote...

Funny thing... I'm a suicidal paragon liaramancer and *I* think Liara's a bit forced. Well, if you didn't romance her of course.

Thing is I regretted romancing her at different points in ME3. I completely ignored the fact she was Benezia's daughter in ME1 and showed her unquestioning trust. I helped her without hesitation on Thessia and fought the Shadow Broker with her. I was a big damn hero and rescued her on Mars...

And she acts like a cold fish for most of the $@%^! game. After Thessia, I was literally yelling at the screen for an option to hug her. She and Shep are sharing one of the most traumatic expereinces someone could face, watching their planet and civilization fall, and Shep doesn't even try to hug her?

Seems to me then like they tried to make the character with too little variation between romance and non-romance Liaras. The dialogue is too middle of the road, and needed to be written to the two extremes, with notable variation. As is, Non-romancers find  the dialogue too friendly, while romancers are left wanting more.

honestly, that's a problem with all of the LIs.

Modifié par fainmaca, 14 avril 2012 - 10:40 .

[Shajar]

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

This is so well said, actually it cant be said any better  QFT

[BluKardinal]

Common theme in this thread seems to be that Liara is fine as a character if you romance her but feels out of place if you don't. I get the distinct impression that much of her dialogue was written assuming that she was in a relationship with Shepard and then very minor edits were made to produce the non love interest conversations. As such you have some exchanges and scenes (especially during Lair of the Shadow Broker and some of the cabin scenes in ME3) that feel like very intimate and tender moments between lovers- moments that make no sense when Tali is your one true romance. Moreover, these scenes often end abruptly because their natural conclusion is a kiss or some other intimate gesture and the only different between the romantic and platonic dialogue is that the final act doesn't actually happen.

I got the distinct impression during the first 60% of ME3 that Liara was glad Tali wasn't around and was trying to move in despite the fact that I had never romanced Liara in the first place.

Modifié par BluKardinal, 14 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[Shajar]

Mr.House wrote...

And you can ignore her in ME3 just as easly.

Haha, you telling to us ignore about 20% of game cinema conversations?

Just face the FACT, game wont allow you to ignore/kill her. She keeps coming up to cabin many times, you are forced to take her in many missions. Garrus only in 1 mission, Tali only in 2 mission. See the difference

Mr.House wrote...

And you can be rude to Liara many times and even reject Liara's gift, thus you are not forced friends with her. Liara and Joker all have forced friendship scenes, you can still be an ass to them in later dialog. 

 

Still game keeps you as "best" friend of Liara, you can be rude to her from ME1 to ME3 and game still forces you to be in semi love with her

Modifié par Shajar, 14 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[Riion]

Shajar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

And you can ignore her in ME3 just as easly.

Haha, you telling to us ignore about 20% of game cinema conversations?

Just face the FACT, game wont allow you to ignore/kill her. She keeps coming up to cabin many times, you are forced to take her in many missions. Garrus only in 1 mission, Tali only in 2 mission. See the difference

Fine with me :3
But I can see where everyone is coming from, I would hate it if a character was forced on me all the time too...  Imagine if Liara was replaced by Diana Allers 8D

[Atrumitos]

Agreed, especially about the ridiculousness of Cerberus in ME3. It seems as if Cerberus could have been stationed on Earth and defeated the reapers, no need for the alliance or anything. Instead they are too busy slaughtering civilians, attacking the best intelligence service (under their noses even) and attempting to sabotage treaties that would help end the war...

They make no sense in ME3, even if in ME2 you were willing to overlook the sudden bump they got in funding (building a new normandy and bringing someone back from the dead... huge bump!).

The Liara thing is odd too. In one of my playthroughs I romanced her. In the other I romanced Tali (not even Liara in me1). In both ME3 playthroughs she kinda seemed the same to me. Makes no sense really. She should have either been friendly or in your face depending on previous games. She was neither. I understand the need to keep Love Interests open but... this is just weird. Willing to overlook it though. Haven't played ME3 as many times as ME1 and 2 for it to get to me.

No wonder she's unkillable though. She's the Shadow Broker and the one squadmate that went through hell to get your body back and help get it revived! Every squadmate has followed you to hell and back, but Liara kinda went beyond the call of duty there. 

The ending... well it's just sad but I don't want talk about it Will take ages lol.

Modifié par Atrumitos, 14 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Zix13]

Lol. Another "I don't like Liara, why'd she have to be important" thread. Because if all characters were equally important, the game wouldn't work. Dur. Just because you happen not to like one of the ones that are doesn't make it a problem. In fact, she should have played a more prominent role in me3 being the Shadow Broker and all. You complain about her being important, I'll complain about having a psychotic unstable serial killer forced onto my ship in me2 who then turned into a nice person in me3.

I'll agree with you about cerberus, TIM and Kai Leng. They were thoroughly ridiculous in ME3. Earth kid never happened. 

Modifié par Zix13, 14 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Aeowyn]

Zix13 wrote...

Lol. Another "I don't like Liara, why'd she have to be important" thread. Because if all characters were equally important, the game wouldn't work. Dur. Just because you happen not to like one of the ones that are doesn't make it a problem. In fact, she should have played a more prominent role in me3 being the Shadow Broker and all. You complain about her being important, I'll complain about having a psychotic unstable serial killer forced onto my ship in me2 who then turned into a nice person in me3.

I'll agree with you about cerberus, TIM and Kai Leng. They were thoroughly ridiculous in ME3. Earth kid never happened. 

And just because she is the Shadow Broker she shouldn't have been on the Normandy at all. She should be off doing Shadow Brokery things or even go work on the Crucible. They pretty much had this DLC, making her the Shadow Broker, and then in ME3 she goes back to just following Shepard. Huh?

Also, the forced thing is very jarring. Therum was always my final mission in ME1 so my Shepard and Liara barely got to speak before it was time to go to Ilos. So we go from that to Liara saving Shepard's body. It's a bit too creepy.

Also, to IsaacShepard: I fail to see how Garrus is a writer's pet because he's the only one who comforts you after Thessia. Other characters have things that only they do or say in certain situations.

[ArchDuck]

Nicely done OP.

[ZeBlob987]

forced TIM is ok by me, Martin Sheen did an amazing job

But haven't noticed the Liara thing, as I haven't not romanced her in 3 (where I feel her favoritism is the biggest). Gameplay-wise, it isn't too bad, as she could be your only biotic if you don't have Javik