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[Avalon Aurora]

I liked your post OP even though I'm a Liara fan.

Everything you said seems basically accurate and correct from how I'd interpret it as well. I think the vision of the series that was created back around the time when ME1 came out has somehow been corrupted over the course of development of ME2, and then worse in ME3, especially thanks to these 'writer's pets'.

[Mr.House]

Vexille wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

joker is also a writers pet, but he has a much more minor role.

Liara is a squaddie who cant die... The only one... writers pet

Joker has a minor role then Liara? What!?

[Sweawm]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

Joker isn't a problem. You can avoid talking to Joker completley asides from the tiny scens. Plus, Joker is the pilot of the Normandy and never gets anywhere near situations where he might die. Plus, Seth Green's voice talent is too good to be wasted.
It's the fact that Liara gets like... four missions in which you have no bloody choice but to bring her along. I think at most, Shepard only had to bring Tali along for two mission on Rannoch and that was it. It's also possible to do those missions without her. See what we mean?

[Rogue Unit]

Vexille wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

joker is also a writers pet, but he has a much more minor role.

Liara is a squaddie who cant die... The only one... writers pet

She can die. And seriously? Joker a minor role? Ha!

[Vexille]

Mr.House wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE.

Stopped reading there, she can in fact die, just like Joker, another writers pet. But of course no one cares about Joker or Garrus, everyone just loves to gang up on Liara. As I said if death is a thing that makes a writers pet then guess what? Liara and Joker are not writers pets. Garrus, Joker and Liara are writers pets, I'm a Liara fan and I even accept the fact she is one. Why you people can't accept the fact that Garrus and Joekr are just boggles the mind. It's like accepting the fact they are writers pets will make you dislike them.

Jokers a side character.

"Stopped reading there" At least you dont pretend to be anything other then a fanboi...

Garrus is a writers pet, but I dont have to deal with him in ME3 if I dont want to, Liara is forced on EVERYONE, thats the issue. If we dont like Garrus we dont HAVE to have him with us

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Are people honestly trying to argue that Joker has as large a role as Liara?

[razor150]

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

I agree, and I like Liara post Shadowbroker DLC. In ME1 she was a bit of a limp noodle with no real personality. ME2 helped add some depth to her. The problem with Liara is that she is the one being forced on you. You have these intimate moments with her and she doesn't even have to be your LI to have them. These personal confidant moments should have been with your love interest.

With the treatment of love interests from ME2, Tali/Garrus not romanceable if you didn't romance them in 2 and the rest relegated to little more than minor characters. Then with the possibility Kaidan or Ashely could be dead it is theoretically possible for her to be your only love interest outside of the the new ones introduced in ME3 for same sex romances. She is Bioware's internal canon love interest for male and femshep, and they railroad her as much as they can into that role.

Modifié par razor150, 14 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Muhkida]

Pretty good topic just went south fast....sorry Xion66

[Vexille]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

joker is also a writers pet, but he has a much more minor role.

Liara is a squaddie who cant die... The only one... writers pet

She can die. And seriously? Joker a minor role? Ha!

please dont tell me you are reffering to the beam... You dont interact with anyone post beam anyways, you are stuck with Liara 99% of the game no matter what you do, every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if you dont like them.

[Rogue Unit]

Sweawm wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

Joker isn't a problem. You can avoid talking to Joker completley asides from the tiny scens. Plus, Joker is the pilot of the Normandy and never gets anywhere near situations where he might die. Plus, Seth Green's voice talent is too good to be wasted.
It's the fact that Liara gets like... four missions in which you have no bloody choice but to bring her along. I think at most, Shepard only had to bring Tali along for two mission on Rannoch and that was it. It's also possible to do those missions without her. See what we mean?

Nope. Some character have bigger role than others. Bioware never went into Mass Effect saying "We're going to give each and every squadmate equal roles" so I don't know why that what you're expecting. You know how much work it would take to replace Liara's dialogue with every other LI? Its get even more complicated when you factor in  character deaths. It's simply easier to use someone who I guareenteed to be alive to drive the plot forward.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 14 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Dyorgarel Inkin]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

QFT. Also, let's not forget the little matter of that flashback.

I don't hate Liara, she's just annoying. But this flashback... I really can't stand it!

[Sweawm]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

joker is also a writers pet, but he has a much more minor role.

Liara is a squaddie who cant die... The only one... writers pet

She can die. And seriously? Joker a minor role? Ha!

Can die, but at the very end of everything, and such event is never touched upon again. Dying in the infamnous 'Harbinger death beam' ray is a not dying an actual kill off, in which such leaves a gap for them in the future. Hell, that's only if you get the lowest EMS possible.

Plus, Joker is in a minor role. Never say different.
Also, Garrus can die in ME2, so if you don't want him (Not that I can imagine anyone playing to not want him), you can get rid of him.
With Liara you can't. It's that sheer plot armor that annoys the hell out of people, along with the writer's pet thing.

[Vexille]

I actually like Liara, I just dont comprehend how other supposed "Fans" dont see that giving her ridiculous plot armor and forcing her on players who DIDNT like her was an AWFUL idea.

[Mr.House]

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the samething to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Modifié par Mr.House, 14 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Riion]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The Liara defenders bringing up garrus, Tali etc... You are forgetting one thing... LIara CANT DIE. She has the be all end all plot armor of squaddies. I dont like Garrus? I dont recruit him in ME1 and I let him die in ME2. Dont like Tali? Have her get headshotted in the vents. Dislike Kaidan and Ashley? Nuke one on Virmire and waste the other on the citadel.

But Liara... She is forced on EVERYONE. Every other recurring squaddie can be killed off if the player wants nothing to do with them. Liara however is a writers pet with impenetrable plot armor who will be forced on us in ME3 no matter what.

BTW I actually LIKE Liara, however there is no arguing that she is forced. If you could actually kill off Liara in ME1 r the shadow broker DLC most of these liar "hate" threads wouldnt be here. The problem with Liara is you cant get rid of her

So is Joker.

Joker isn't a problem. You can avoid talking to Joker completley asides from the tiny scens. Plus, Joker is the pilot of the Normandy and never gets anywhere near situations where he might die. Plus, Seth Green's voice talent is too good to be wasted.
It's the fact that Liara gets like... four missions in which you have no bloody choice but to bring her along. I think at most, Shepard only had to bring Tali along for two mission on Rannoch and that was it. It's also possible to do those missions without her. See what we mean?

Nope. Some character have bigger role than others. Bioware never went into Mass Effect saying "We're going to give each and every squadmate equal roles" so I don't know why that what you're expecting. You know how much work it would take to replace Liara's dialogue with every other LI? Its get even more complicated when you factor in  character deaths. It's simply easier to use someone who I guareenteed to be alive to drive the plot forward.

I can see where everyone is coming for, but it's probably due to the above stated reason Hehehe, seems like I got the long end of the stick  

[Karrie788]

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker. And he's the pilot, of course he's important to the plot.

Are you referring to the beam when you talk about Liara dying?

Modifié par Karrie788, 14 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Mr.House]

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

[Rogue Unit]

Vexille wrote...

I actually like Liara, I just dont comprehend how other supposed "Fans" dont see that giving her ridiculous plot armor and forcing her on players who DIDNT like her was an AWFUL idea.

We understand. (Though you wouldn't be here whining if it were you're favorite character) We just don't much care.

[Karrie788]

Mr.House wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

You're right. I guess I felt it more with Liara because she kept coming to Shep's cabin. But you're right on that one.

[Vexille]

Mr.House wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

And if you dont like Tali and Garrus you never even have to see them in ME3 as they are dead. Liara you are stuck with. Which is the reason so many have issues with her

[Rogue Unit]

Vexille wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

And if you dont like Tali and Garrus you never even have to see them in ME3 as they are dead. Liara you are stuck with. Which is the reason so many have issues with her

So your logic is that every character, even plot centric ones, should be able to killed off so their roles can be assumed by your favorite character regardless of how much work this would be for BW?

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 14 avril 2012 - 06:28 .

[Vexille]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

I actually like Liara, I just dont comprehend how other supposed "Fans" dont see that giving her ridiculous plot armor and forcing her on players who DIDNT like her was an AWFUL idea.

We understand. (Though you wouldn't be here whining if it were you're favorite character) We just don't much care.

if you dont "care" why are you in this thread defending Liara?

I think Liara is a great character. But the writers pet/plot armor complaints of those WHO DONT are 100% legit.

[Mr.House]

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

You're right. I guess I felt it more with Liara because she kept coming to Shep's cabin. But you're right on that one.

And Garrus comforts you after Mordins death, not Liara though I would have prefered Liara.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Joker is not a side character at all, he is one of the major characters in the whole series.

-Who was the one who killed Sovie? Joker
-Who is the reason why SHepard died? Joker
-Who did TIM get to pilot the ship? Joker
-Who unshackled EDI and savedt he ship? Joker
-Who flew the Normandy during the suicide mission? Joker
-Who helped Shepard survive the suicide mission? Joekr witht he help of two squadmates
-Who saved Shepard in Arrival? Joker
-Who got Shepard off Earth? Joker
-Who flew you for the whole war? Joker
-Who helped you during the Rannoch Reaper battle? Joker
-Who was flyign the ship leading the fleets in Sol? Joker


Ya that's a minor character all right. As for the "you can ignore Joker and Garrus except for important bits. you can do the something to Liara. The only thing I agree with you is the flashback, but ;et's be real, ME2 Li's got screwed anyways. Also I stopped reading because you said Liara can't die, that's false. It's been proven she can.

Except you're not forced on a friendship with Joker.

Oh realy? Then why was my Shepard happy to see Joker after Freedoms Progress? Why is my Shepard happy to hear Jokers voice before Mars? Yo can treat him like crap after but first it's BUDDY OL PAL! Same with Garrus and Liara in ME2 and ME3.

And if you dont like Tali and Garrus you never even have to see them in ME3 as they are dead. Liara you are stuck with. Which is the reason so many have issues with her

So your logic is that every character, even plot centric ones, should be able to killed off so their roles can be assumed by your favorite character?

Why not? Mordin dies; he gets replaced with Wiks. Tali dies; the other admirals do her job. Wrex dies; you deal with Wreav. There's no reason they couldn't implement something similar with Liara.

[Riion]

Vexille wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Vexille wrote...

I actually like Liara, I just dont comprehend how other supposed "Fans" dont see that giving her ridiculous plot armor and forcing her on players who DIDNT like her was an AWFUL idea.

We understand. (Though you wouldn't be here whining if it were you're favorite character) We just don't much care.

if you dont "care" why are you in this thread defending Liara?

I think Liara is a great character. But the writers pet/plot armor complaints of those WHO DONT are 100% legit.

Imagine how "hilarious" it would be if you could kill EVERYONE. I would solo pilot the Normandy  like a boss.