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[Zarenthar]

Your mages only need to be spirit healers. Blood is only good for Blood wound and tbh I chose not to use it because it's way too overpowered and also that BM keeps shutting down and pissing me off.

[Nooneyouknow13]

I spec her Arcane Warrior, but I'm partial to having a cleric around. It's also much easier to get her mana regen equal to or higher than 10 to sustain either Cleansing Aura or Haste indefinitely.

Zarenthar wrote...

Your mages only need to be spirit
healers. Blood is only good for Blood wound and tbh I chose not to use
it because it's way too overpowered and also that BM keeps shutting
down and pissing me off.

It ends when combat does, and isn't meant to be active outside combat. Berserk will do the same thing, and has a much longer cooldown.

Modifié par Nooneyouknow13, 06 décembre 2009 - 07:02 .

[circa89]

Blood mage is always the fallback spec. If you're going by RP rules though... yeah you kinda get screwed.

[MrIsidor]

Spazmodian wrote...

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is.

Basically, it's to get other people's opinion on the mage specs and if they can be believable from a story/rp view. As I'm stuck in my own views of how things should be, it can be an eyeopener to get other people's views.
I've got some good suggestions on why AW could be a reasonable choice for Wynne and even a reasonable suggestion on blood mage. Gives me something to think about and can help me pick specs without ruining my feel for how things "should be".

So thanks everyone that's been participating.

[brianin3d]

There is no RP conflict with Wynne and BM.



Have you tried talking to her about it?

[Surberus]

From an RP standpoint, don't giver her a 2nd spec.

[Suron]

yah BM/SS are stupid to even be an option for Wynne..some of the spec's should have been unavailable to certain companions (like Alistair shouldn't be able to be a reaver)



Though for Wynne Arcane Warrior does go good...at least in this essence..here's what I always do on my plays now



give her AW as 2nd spec and ONLY take the first skill..cause she WON'T be fighting/tanking much if at all.



this let's her done higher lvl armors...I typically give her Warden Armor or Ancient Elven...a mace..and a shield of some kind (like arls or redcliffe)



there ya go...a spec that fits wynne..as she's now your typical Cleric. I love spec'n her as such and do it every time now.



But yah she shouldn't be able to choose BM or SS..as both go totally against her entire character.

[kmujo]

best combination i have for Wynne is Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer. best type of playstyle i found for her. blood mage is meh since you're a spirit healer and her build circles around support and healing, so i have wynne in the midst of a battle aoe healing and dealing damage with alot of support spells

[SleepyBird]

I had no problem having her off-spec arcane warrior.  It actually felt really in character to me.  She talks numerous times about how she doesn't want to be a frail old granny tucked up in bed knitting pom pom socks.  She turned down the opportunity to be first enchanter because she wanted to be out in the thick of battle.  She's old, but she's tough. 
Go go badass granny! 

[Kalcalan]

brianin3d wrote...

There is no RP conflict with Wynne and BM.

Have you tried talking to her about it?

I'm curious about that. I don't remember she condoned Blood Magic, would you care to develop that point?

I agree with the OP, it's a bit of a predicament, I wouldn't consider Blood Mage as it implies cutting corners to cast spells and she's not the type to do that.

That being said Arcane Warrior is not that satisfying. It's still the lesser evil and you can argue that she's been around so that could make sense (farfetched but still).

[metatrans]

from a pure roleplaying persepctive Wynne shouldn't take a 2nd specialization. she's too old to take up arms as an Arcane Warrior. Blood Magic would go against her beliefs. Shapeshifting is conceivable but very out of character, too closely associated with apostates like Morrigan (and she hates Morrigan).

[xsgenefuzz]

I'm still working on my first playthrough and I've also been wondering about what to give Wynn as a 2nd spec. I think AW does seem like the best choice after reading this. Though I'm not actually using Wynn in combat since I'm playing an AW/SH mage myself. No need for two of them on the battlefield!

[Kalcalan]

You could do as other posters suggested and just pick the specialization without investing points in it. That would be a fair compromise.

[menasure]

doesn't archmage give a bonus? presumably she's archaic anyway ^^

[Hahren]

Archmage is the name of an achievement for getting *your* mage to level 20. There is a similar achievement for warrior/rogue hitting 20 as well. There are no bonuses for getting it.

[MEMANIAsama]

I'm having this exact same issue.

My fiancee earlier was like "Oh noes, I learned Shapeshifter by accident! I was just clicking the A button and didn't even pay attention." So I was just like, "Don't worry, your character wouldn't choose to be a Blood Mage RP wise, and Arcane Warrior isn't your cup of tea, so you'll still be able to get the GOOD specialization."

Seriously, what is up with that? Why the lack of creativity with the mage specializations.

I guess I'll just teach her Arcane Warrior for some minor buffs since I can't unlock Blood Mage as a rogue.

[Sunthas]

Cuiva wrote...

Blood Magic could work for her RP wise too, as it allows her to sacrifice her own hp to cast spells (heal) the party. She's bonded with a benevolent spirit of the fade, and as far as I understand the border between demon and spirit is very slim. Maybe the spirit allows her to do it?

While I loved the story element behind Wynne's special ability I was disappointed that no one else had anything like this. 

Perhaps they should have put that into a spec line?

[twintalons]

I agree none of the specialisations seemed to really fit her role, but I gave her AW and I have to love watching her swing a giant two-handed hammer just for the fun of it!!

She stilll wears mage robes, and does spells for the most part.....

[DAO Lemon]

AW for that awesome protection.

[transinfinity0]

I see Wynne as more of a cleric than mage. This is just my perspective. This game doesn't allow for the playing of priests, but in traditional fantasy RPG's, clerics cast healing and support spells, wore armor, and wielded blunt weapons. From this perspective, I have no problems making Wynne an arcane warrior, if only just for the ability to wear armor and nothing else, although, come to think of it, the next time I have Wynne in the group, I think I'll her a mace.

[Spuro]

I usually leave her 2nd specialisation blank.



Shapeshifter? Gameplay-wise, it's a waste of time. Lorewise, Wynne is probably too traditional to take this path in magic.



Arcane Warrior? Lorewise it's just too weird to see Wynne running around in heavy armour.



Blood Mage? Lorewise it's just not in her character and conflicts with her beliefs.

[MEMANIAsama]

transinfinity0 wrote...

I see Wynne as more of a cleric than mage. This is just my perspective. This game doesn't allow for the playing of priests, but in traditional fantasy RPG's, clerics cast healing and support spells, wore armor, and wielded blunt weapons. From this perspective, I have no problems making Wynne an arcane warrior, if only just for the ability to wear armor and nothing else, although, come to think of it, the next time I have Wynne in the group, I think I'll her a mace.

The only downside to that is pretty much the lack of armor that supports mage stats.

[Erakleitos]

Wynne a blood mage? lol

[swk3000]

Kalcalan wrote...
I'm curious about that. I don't remember she condoned Blood Magic, would you care to develop that point?

There's a line of dialogue with her where she's talking about how the idea of becoming an Abomination scared her when she was younger. At some point in the conversation, the idea of someone who is an 'Abomination', but still has control and retains their humanity comes up. A Dialogue Option for the Player Character says something along the lines of, 'An Abomination who retains their humanity isn't an Abomination'. Wynne's response to this is basically, 'You're right. I never thought of it like that.'

To me, while this isn't an out-and-out stamp of approval for Blood Magic, it does give her a new point of view on the subject: that a Blood Mage who is using their own Life Force, and never even considers taking Life Force from someone else to power their spells, isn't someone to be shunned.

Honestly, from an RP standpoint, the biggest problem with Blood Magic is that the power tends to go to people's heads. The Tevinter Imperium used Blood Magic a lot, and even kept slaves for the sole purpose of taking their lives to power the more costly spells. With such examples, Fereldan's treat Blood Magic as the root of all evil, instead of taking it on a case-by-case basis. All the Blood Mage's that people know about are bad people, so it's not hard to see how they got that view, but you have to wonder: how many Blood Mage's out there quietly used Blood Magic to augment their spells using only their own Life Force? Cosidering the stigma associated with Blood Mage's, they would have done everything possible to keep their abilities quiet.

Unfortunately, Blood Magic has been hit by the same thing the Swastika has. The Swastika has been found to have been around for as far back as the first Millenium BC. However, today everyone looks at the symbol and immediately associates it with the **** Party from WWII. All it takes is one bad thing associated with something, and suddenly a symbol or a school of magic becomes evil. It's unfortunate, but it's a part of the human psyche.

Anyway, the point of all this meandering is that Wynne seems to be the sort of person who is smart enough to separate fact from superstition, and act on the fact. While she recognized the dangers of Blood Magic, she could be seen as looking at it from the point of view that, as long as she doesn't cross certain ethical lines, there's nothing wrong with being a Blood Mage.

[transinfinity0]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

transinfinity0 wrote...

I see Wynne as more of a cleric than mage. This is just my perspective. This game doesn't allow for the playing of priests, but in traditional fantasy RPG's, clerics cast healing and support spells, wore armor, and wielded blunt weapons. From this perspective, I have no problems making Wynne an arcane warrior, if only just for the ability to wear armor and nothing else, although, come to think of it, the next time I have Wynne in the group, I think I'll her a mace.

The only downside to that is pretty much the lack of armor that supports mage stats.

I believe the Armor of Diligence has an willpower bonus for wearing the complete set, which would increase a spellcaster's mana pool, and other armors, like Warden Commander, have an armor set bonus which reduces the cost of spells and talents.  Both are helpful, but lacking a robe that increases mana regeneration does mean chugging more lyruim potions in combat. 

Modifié par transinfinity0, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .