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[Farbautisonn]

The PLC wrote...

That has nothing to do with this. It's not the same. Stop being wrong, please.

Omg this is hilarious....

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Stop buying their games then. No one gives a **** about your self-important whining.

I empathize with the OP.

You guys who are chastising the OP do not know how to run a business. You chase off the customers. Good job.

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

Got to love how you randomly assume the rest of us do not know how business works...

[Torrible]

DWKnight wrote...
I can see you do not care about your fans at all  Disingenuous assertion much?

The ending was just horrible, whoever wrote that ending should be fired and never allowed to work in the industry ever again. Take your vindictive hate somewhere else. Oh wait, that's what you are doing.

You must realize that your reputation is now tarnished for life,  Nope. Way too early too judge. Hyperbole to say the least.

 It is quite obvious i am not the only one dissappointed in your "Its about artistic integrity, no new ending" decision. People have come up with fanfics to demonstrate how the ending can be saved (even by retaker standards) without fundamentally changing the ending. If fans can do it, why not the entire ME team working together in full concentration mode?

Saying "EA made me do it" is not an excuse to cover this major mistake. Bioware never said that. Stop lying.

My response in red.

Modifié par Torrible, 14 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[kbct]

Farbautisonn wrote...

The PLC wrote...

That has nothing to do with this. It's not the same. Stop being wrong, please.

Omg this is hilarious....

Maybe The PLC will link to his thread so we can see for ourselves if we are soooo wrong. It was about two weeks ago or so.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

[Farbautisonn]

kbct wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

The PLC wrote...

That has nothing to do with this. It's not the same. Stop being wrong, please.

Omg this is hilarious....

Maybe The PLC will link to his thread so we can see for ourselves if we are soooo wrong. It was about two weeks ago or so.

Noone is obligated beyond their abilities. And from what has been demonstrated so far, I wouldnt really get my hopes up.

[Blarty]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

But you work with a reasonable individual customer or set of reasonable individuals representing a larger group of customers, working with a group of customers that can be easily identified as being under mob rule, will only end in tears.

[kbct]

The PLC wrote...

Stop buying their games then. No one gives a **** about your self-important whining.

Just leave the community then. No one gives a **** about your self-important whining.

See the similarities? You created a thread to do the same thing.

[Farbautisonn]

The PLC wrote...

I'm pretty sure that thread is listed on my profile page, if you're that eager to read it.

-so much fail....(hint: Private profile)

Keep it up. Please. Do go on.

[Arcadian Legend]

Kthxbai.

[DanaScu]

AJRimmsey wrote...

I have been counting

we have lost 6 overboard going by the shouting

so far no accounts deleted

so i guess we havent lost anyone

haul in the lifeboats

You might want to take into account those people who, after having EA "helpfully" switch account information over to "Origin" stuff, don't want to risk losing access to games/dlc they bought. You know, since EA does such a bang up fantastic job of keeping forum accounts and game accounts separate and all. I haven't been paying attention; did they fix that "forum ban locks your access to games you legally purchased" issue yet?

Personally I'm done with EABioware. I have been since DA2/announcement of Origin as a requirement for ME3. I won't delete my account though, since I still play the games I bought through Steam, and the dlc for some of them. Given how much insanity inducing fun is to be had dealing with EA tech non-support, I don't want to do anything that might cause issues with the games I still play and enjoy.

I still read the forums on occasion. Kind of like watching a train wreck. Morbidly fascinating, at times. Actually interested in the games, no. Watching the pinned statements get unpinned/deleted, and a former mod lose his mod status and get a temp ban for asking a reasonable question while many other posters break that new update to the site rules & code of conduct with no consequences are interesting......

[kbct]

Blarty wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

But you work with a reasonable individual customer or set of reasonable individuals representing a larger group of customers, working with a group of customers that can be easily identified as being under mob rule, will only end in tears.

The smart thing to do is at least try to get them to stay. You don't start the conversation with "Fine, get out!"

[AkiKishi]

The PLC wrote...

I created that thread, because I'm a member a lot of people on here care about. I have always been very important to many of you, and I felt you needed some closure on our relationship. I wouldn't want to leave you in the dark, since I knew how much that would hurt you. If it weren't for me, this forum would never have been as good as it once was. I, and a few others, pretty much created this community. So THAT'S why. Hate all you want. For every hater, there's multiple fans. Metrics, you know.

You are ?

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

You do not give in to every demand a customer makes. You decide as a business which customers have prority based on amount purchase. If there is time or if cost is not considered to high in order to meet their demands and many other factors. How they act and treat others also plays a part. A customer who orders 100k of units will be catered to more than an individual who orders a dozen. Cost and time factors. The only ones who I cater to with specific demands are the ones who order more than ( x ) number of stock. If Bioware decided the cost is too high or demand too low, or even if they choose to stick with their inital product then that is their choice. Some customers may leave, others will buy in their place. Swings and roundabouts.

You can live in this fantasy world of yours if you so chose but not every customer is catered to, their demands are weighed up and if I the creator and producer of the products deems it too expensive or not worth the time I will not do it. Other customers with bigger orders take precedant and if I have the time or consider the cost within boundaries I select to be high enough to make it worth my time I will maybe cater to those other customers. Outside of that, the ones I do not cater to who make specific demands have a choice to purchase what I created or not. Almost always they do so with very few exceptions. That is the reality of mass produced items.

As I said and is factual I have some of the biggest supermarkets in the UK who buy my products, I have international customers that order hundreds of thousands a year. I know how business works and my business is very successful, thanks. What do you do? How many units do you sell each year? I would love to hear what makes your opinion more valid than mine. I have a business, I make hundreds of thousands of sales and have some extremely large customers both nationally and internationally. So feel free to list your more valid experience.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[kbct]

The PLC wrote...

I created that thread, because I'm a member a lot of people on here care about. I have always been very important to many of you, and I felt you needed some closure on our relationship. I wouldn't want to leave you in the dark, since I knew how much that would hurt you. If it weren't for me, this forum would never have been as good as it once was. I, and a few others, pretty much created this community. So THAT'S why. Hate all you want. For every hater, there's multiple fans. Metrics, you know.

That'll be all.

Guess what? I saw your thread and I chose not to post, "Just leave the community then. No one gives a **** about your self-important whining."

I didn't say anything negative about you even though I could've. Do you see the difference?

[Blarty]

kbct wrote...

Blarty wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

But you work with a reasonable individual customer or set of reasonable individuals representing a larger group of customers, working with a group of customers that can be easily identified as being under mob rule, will only end in tears.

The smart thing to do is at least try to get them to stay. You don't start the conversation with "Fine, get out!"

That's very true but if compromise cannot be made to such an extent that the demands of the mob can be deemed reasonable to all parties, then that is the scenario you are left with, and sometimes you can reach that point very quickly in the conversation.

[Sith_exar_kun]

The Starchild gives his goodbye.
 

Modifié par Sith_exar_kun, 14 avril 2012 - 01:18 .

[Farbautisonn]

The PLC wrote...

I created that thread, because I'm a member a lot of people on here care about. I have always been very important to many of you, and I felt you needed some closure on our relationship. I wouldn't want to leave you in the dark, since I knew how much that would hurt you. If it weren't for me, this forum would never have been as good as it once was. I, and a few others, pretty much created this community. So THAT'S why. Hate all you want. For every hater, there's multiple fans. Metrics, you know.

That'll be all.

-You can't be serious. You have to be a troll. Nobody is that dense. Its so dense it actually goes beyonde sarcasm and irony and actually plays on Biowares postings...

Nobody can be that inane.

[Farbautisonn]

Dragoonlordz wrote... A customer who orders 100k of units will be catered to more than an individual who orders a dozen.

-You do realize that actually plays directly into the hands of the Retake guy and people who were dissatisfied with the game... right? 

[Dragoonlordz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote... A customer who orders 100k of units will be catered to more than an individual who orders a dozen.

-You do realize that actually plays directly into the hands of the Retake guy and people who were dissatisfied with the game... right? 

Actually it does not. Individual figures set by each company as to how many is required before they consider change is different between all companies. Where I might consider making changes to my mass produced products at lower rate of units required, Bioware or any other company might have higher requirements.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[Doctor Uburian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I make hundreds of thousands of sales each year thanks of the product I create personally and sell.

I'm sure you laugh off your customers too. Or perhaps you try to work with them like a normal businessman?

You do not give in to every demand a customer makes. You decide as a business which customers have prority based on amount purchase. If there is time or if cost is not considered to high in order to meet their demands and many other factors. How they act and treat others also plays a part. A customer who orders 100k of units will be catered to more than an individual who orders a dozen. Cost and time factors. The only ones who I cater to with specific demands are the ones who order more than ( x ) number of stock. If Bioware decided the cost is too high or demand too low, or even if they choose to stick with their inital product then that is their choice. Some customers may leave, others will buy in their place. Swings and roundabouts.

You can live in this fantasy world of yours if you so chose but not every customer is catered to, their demands are weighed up and if I the creator and producer of the products deems it too expensive or not worth the time I will not do it. Other customers with bigger orders take precedant and if I have the time or consider the cost within boundaries I select to be low enough to make it worth my time I will maybe cater to those other customers. Outside of that, the ones I do not cater to who make specific demands have a choice to purchase what I created or not. Almost always they do so with very few exceptions. That is the reality of mass produced items.

As I said and is factual I have some of the biggest supermarkets in the UK who buy my products, I have international customers that order hundreds of thousands a year. I know how business works and my business is very successful, thanks. What do you do? How many units do you sell each year? I would love to hear what makes your opinion more valid than mine. I have a business, I make hundreds of thousands of sales and have some extremely large customers both nationally and internationally. So feel free to list your more valid experience.

You see your customers as those who buy your produts, as nothing more than ¨numbers and data¨?  That's an example of corporatocracy.

If the only things we cared about were the money and the sales of our products, we would only be machines.

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 14 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[kbct]

Blarty wrote...

kbct wrote...

The smart thing to do is at least try to get them to stay. You don't start the conversation with "Fine, get out!"

That's very true but if compromise cannot be made to such an extent that the demands of the mob can be deemed reasonable to all parties, then that is the scenario you are left with, and sometimes you can reach that point very quickly in the conversation.

The first response to the OP:

"Yeah, we don't care. There has been a lot of these. Can't you just... you know, leave without making a thread about it?"

Not much time to be reasonable. You guys are doing the work for the HOLD THE WALLET movement.