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[Ridwan]

Can you retcon him now please? Just be a man and admit you messed up. Yeah it's that simple, no BS.

The kid isn't special, he isn't thought provoking or any of that. He is exactly what he appears to be. A cop out writing excuse that made you look like, you half assed the ending cause you were nearing a deadline.
A dumb character introduced in the final 10min that tries to explain, but ends up leaving you with more questions then answers.

Get rid him, retcon him out of existence, HE NEEDS TO DIE.

If you honestly think of him as good writing, then you need to read better books. Something beside cheap ass science fiction and Dragonlance.

Here's a good book. No, here's a GREAT book.



And another one.



There's a pretty GOOD REASON why we're making fun of the kid. Why we named him unflattering names like, Star Jar, Vent Brat, that stupid kid, Casper the ghost, Casper the genocidal ghost, Derp, the kid from hell, he who must not be named and what not.

It's not cause we're too stupid to understand your super duper artsy statement. No it's cause we see that dumb kid for what it is. DUMB.

Remember this?

https://encrypted-tb...D3ngnVIjlB1O66k
Some cleaning lady, "destroyed" this work of "art" by you know, actually cleaning it. I didn't read one single comment blaming the lady, and most just laughed at this so called piece of art. Newsflash Bioware, if you need to tell someone it was art, THEN IT WASN'T ART TO BEGIN WITH!

You've basically taken something people love, and you deserve props for creating a series we get so attached to, and then you decide to ****** on our faces with this ending. WE CALL YOU OUT ON IT. And what do we get? More adventures of Casper the derpy, pshyco ghost kid and why he's so awesome, through an explanation.

If you MESS UP, you man up like I said and admit your mistake. Do it.

Modifié par M25105, 14 avril 2012 - 10:16 .

[Ridwan]

But you won't will you?

"These stupid idiots, needs the Catalyst and how great he is for the story spelled out to them" is that what is going through your mind, or is there some form of fear culture that doesn't let you speak out your true thoughts on that kid?

"I agree with the players that the kid is stupid, but I'm not losing my job over a game to tell Casey and Mac that the ending was cheap and stupid".

[Laurencio]

Well they can actually keep starchild if they explain him properly, he changes his logic and they change his arguments so that they actually make sense. I mean, starchild himself is OK, if you can explain why he's there, why he's taken the form of the nightmare child, can give us sensible logical arguments that don't make him come across as a ten year old with transformers toys.

He's a tad annoying, the avatar isn't exactly "ideal", but if they can explain him properly, explain his form and give him proper logic, then most of the problems with him sort of disappear. Well for me at least.

[Ridwan]

Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?
Why does the kid allow Harbinger to fly off without finishing Shepard.
Why didn't the kid open the citadel for Sovereign in Mass Effect 1?
Why didn't the kid know about the peace between the Geth and the Quarians (if you made that choice)?
Why did the kid point out that you could destroy all synthetics?

And why is Shepard not calling the kid out for being a genocidal mass murdering freak?

[shodiswe]

I wanted a real conversation, I coudl even immagine throwing a boot of comments about his choice of apperance, that woudl make the reaper take the form of the Citadel instead, and then you continue the conversation and debate, with epic paragon or renegade choices and maybe even paragon/renegade interrupts. I cant see why both paragon anf renegade interrupts could be available on the same sentence spoken. There always seems to be one or the other..

If there isn't a bossfight then I expect a verbal showdown..... We get nothing, just a pick you poison bartender. Who can't even provide you any meaning full conversation options
Just have the magicelevator provide medical attention to Shepard so we can have a meaningful conversation... The critically woulded soldier that keeps going thing, were done with it after the Anderson conversation. It fills no purpose in that last conversaton imo, especialy if it stops Shepard from having that last epic confrontation with the reaper leader, verbal or otherwise... This is my take on the ending on the citadel. I wanted an epic showdown, verbal or physical.. which ever... to resolve this once and for all.
Also some additional closure to the ending would be appreciated. atm it looks more like a cliffhanger than the ending to ME1 did.

[wiggums91]

Bioware: They were scared. There were some who thought that a sequel shouldn't be made. Terrified, of what we might mess up. But look, at what Bioware has achieved. Since that game, we have advanced more than the past 10 years combined! And the extended cut will advance those sales.

Gamers: Bull****! Destroy the kidalyst, or he destroys your sales.

Bioware: And waste this oppurtunity? Never.

Gamers: You're writing with concepts you don't understand. Plot twists you shouldn't be able to use.

Bioware: I... don't believe that. If we can sell it, why shouldn't we write it?

Gamers: Because... you're not ready...

Bioware: No...this is the way the gaming industry must evolve.

Gamers: Theres always another way

Bioware: We've dedicated our lives to understanding writing games, and I know with certainty: the kidalyst will allow us to sell games.

Gamers: And then what?

Bioware: Look at our writing powers! Look at what they can do!

Gamers: I see what they did to your forums..

Bioware: This is about things much bigger than the forums! Things much bigger than all of you!

Gamers: You're wrong. We won't buy from you.

Bioware: Then who will you buy from, gamers? Old activison, stuck in their ways, only able to make games that are the same? And what if they're wrong? What if the kidalyst is the way forward?

Gamers: Then do it. Ruin your sales.

Bioware: We.. we won't...

Gamers: If you mess up like this, you need to man up and change it. Go on. Do it. But you won't will you. They won't let you do it.

Bioware: No! We're in control! NOONE IS TELLING US WHAT TO DO!

Gamers: Listen to yourself...you're... under EA's control...

Bioware: No , no! All of you, acting so entitled! Do you think sales like this come easy!? There are sacrifices!

Gamers: You cut...too much..

Bioware: Gamers! W...we only wanted to make good games... the kidalyst can do that.. we know it can, I just..

Gamers: It's not too late...change the ending..

Bioware: I...I can't do that..gamers..

Gamers: Ofcourse you can't...you're under EA's control...

Bioware: You...you'd undo all our sales... We won't let that happen.

Gamers: Because of you, mass effect is already ruined. EA has your writers. They have us fighting each other, instead of them.

Bioware: I just need to..

Gamers: You've done exactly what EA wanted, and you're still doing it because they control you.

Bioware: I...they're too strong..

Gamers: You're stronger. Don't let them win. Break their hold. Don't let them own you.

Bioware: I tried...gamers....

*suicides*

[Humakt83]

Keep the kid. They can explain it and the endings with the content they are giving via free extended ending.

Modifié par Humakt83, 14 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[Banelash]

lol do I get a renegade option?

[wiggums91]

Banelash wrote...

lol do I get a renegade option?

*Shoots casey hudson, right in the artistic integrity*

Modifié par wiggums91, 14 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[DJBare]

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Modifié par DJBare, 14 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[Joeyv]

Keep the kid.
You must man up, accept that Bioware, according to your opinion, messed up the ending.
Erasing a whole part of a game that has reached everyones computer or game consoles already probably won't create a better ending.
They can't just recreate a part of the game, at least not how I see it.

[Ridwan]

Joeyv wrote...

Keep the kid.
You must man up, accept that Bioware, according to your opinion, messed up the ending.
Erasing a whole part of a game that has reached everyones computer or game consoles already probably won't create a better ending.
They can't just recreate a part of the game, at least not how I see it.

1% of a game, isn't a whole part.

I'm the consumer, and I was lied to. A good company comes out and apologise, the problem with so many gamers is that too many of you are silent when companies screw you over and defend the developers cause they made a game you liked.

And as long as people like keep defending a company when it does wrong, that same company will continue to ****** on the consumers until they've all left them and their stuck with fanboys who can't understand what good business is.

Pro tip: You provide consumers with something they want, and you don't lie about it.

Modifié par M25105, 14 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[incinerator950]

WEEABOOOO

[M Hedonist]

There's no reason why his job couldn't have been done by a simple VI.
"Welcome to the crucible Commander Shepard! Please choose your flavor of space magic!"
There'd still be space magic, but at least no character whose motives don't follow any common sense or logic and who completely contradicts the plot of the first ME.

[Joeyv]

DJBare wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Ugh I'm getting tired of people creating plotholes in their head.(I'm not saying that there aren't plotholes, but this must not be one of them)

You can easily argue that by reaching the console, shepard has proven himself and his cycle to not be simple eradicated, but reach a level that is nearly equal as the reapers themselves. Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

[Necrotron]

Bioware strongly believes in their artistic vision regarding the ending. It's not going to change.

[M Hedonist]

Joeyv wrote...

Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

The Catalyst acknowledges himself that 'destruction' is actually no solution to the problem it has been trying to stop from happening for billions of years.

[Laurencio]

Banelash wrote...

lol do I get a renegade option?

It's a VI/AI (not entirely sure what any more). How do you intend to renegade something you can't touch?

[Zolt51]

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

[Ridwan]

Laurencio wrote...

Banelash wrote...

lol do I get a renegade option?

It's a VI/AI (not entirely sure what any more). How do you intend to renegade something you can't touch?

By telling it to go screw itself and maybe unzip your pants and pee through it, just to show it how little you think of it.

[DJBare]

Joeyv wrote...
You can easily argue that by reaching the console, shepard has proven himself and his cycle to not be simple eradicated, but reach a level that is nearly equal as the reapers themselves. Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

I can easily argue a lot of things, and that's the whole problem with the games ending, like my ongoing speculashun that the catalyst is an out an out liar, but I cannot say it's true because the ending does not give any answers.

[nitefyre410]

M25105 wrote...

Joeyv wrote...

Keep the kid.
You must man up, accept that Bioware, according to your opinion, messed up the ending.
Erasing a whole part of a game that has reached everyones computer or game consoles already probably won't create a better ending.
They can't just recreate a part of the game, at least not how I see it.

1% of a game, isn't a whole part.

I'm the consumer, and I was lied to. A good company comes out and apologise, the problem with so many gamers is that too many of you are silent when companies screw you over and defend the developers cause they made a game you liked.

And as long as people like keep defending a company when it does wrong, that same company will continue to ****** on the consumers until they've all left them and their stuck with fanboys who can't understand what good business is.

Pro tip: You provide consumers with something they want, and you don't lie about it.

 
 
^ This.  you correct,  but then again that is a one of the reasons  Bioware is in this mess. They have been gaming darlings for too long.  Mass Effect 3 just brough them back down to reality and if has not. It will soon enough.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 14 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Joeyv wrote...

You can easily argue that by reaching the console, shepard has proven himself and his cycle to not be simple eradicated, but reach a level that is nearly equal as the reapers themselves. Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

And why should he? He could simply let Shepard die, destroy the crucible and let 'his' reapers eradicate all traces of it's existance. Cycle could continue as is. Problem solved. But that would be even more ridiculous wouldn't it?

StarChild needs to go away. Mostly because he makes Sovereign and Saren in Mass Effect 1 irrelevant. I see absolutely no logical way, to clarify or even justify his existence.

[Ridwan]

Joeyv wrote...

DJBare wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Ugh I'm getting tired of people creating plotholes in their head.(I'm not saying that there aren't plotholes, but this must not be one of them)

You can easily argue that by reaching the console, shepard has proven himself and his cycle to not be simple eradicated, but reach a level that is nearly equal as the reapers themselves. Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

Equal? All it took was Harbinger to fly down, shoot a few times and all the guys charging the beam were dead. You don't think the Protheans didn't manage to kill off a few reapers too themselves? Hell in Mass Effect 2 there was a reaper corpse killed millions of years ago.

No all it does is open more plot holes.
Shepard is to the reapers, what an annoying mosqito is to a human that's trying to sleep at night.

First you ignore it, then you try and kill it, but give up and go to bed and then you finally had enough of it and hunt it down and make sure it's dead. Something Harbinger would've done if it had made sense. The kid drools about how no one has made it, but actually make sure Shepard makes it. Shepard WAS DYING. If you pass out from loss of blood and your still bleeding, guess what. You're gonna die. That's a big ass plot hole there.

[DJBare]

Shin-Anubis wrote...
StarChild needs to go away. Mostly because he makes Sovereign and Saren in Mass Effect 1 irrelevant. I see absolutely no logical way, to clarify or even justify his existence.

Well, there is one logical way, but that's kind of frowned upon around these parts.