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[Ridwan]

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

[Ridwan]

DJBare wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Thanks dude, your AV is awesome by the way.

[soldo9149]

I would be fine with them to retcon the kid from existence. I still think he makes the endings make even less sense with him there, I had far more questions on why he was there, how long was he there in the first place, wtf was the point of me1 if he was there, who the hell built that area your Shepard and space brat are talking with 3 device that could do what they did, what does lose everything I have actually mean, I could go on with many more questions. So yeah retcon him out for the good of the story.

[DJBare]

It makes it easier on me to think that starbrat does not actually exist, everything else is real, but he is not, I prefer to think that's ole harby playing tricks.

[Thaa_solon]

wiggums91 wrote...

Bioware: They were scared. There were some who thought that a sequel shouldn't be made. Terrified, of what we might mess up. But look, at what Bioware has achieved. Since that game, we have advanced more than the past 10 years combined! And the extended cut will advance those sales.

Gamers: Bull****! Destroy the kidalyst, or he destroys your sales.

Bioware: And waste this oppurtunity? Never.

Gamers: You're writing with concepts you don't understand. Plot twists you shouldn't be able to use.

Bioware: I... don't believe that. If we can sell it, why shouldn't we write it?

Gamers: Because... you're not ready...

Bioware: No...this is the way the gaming industry must evolve.

Gamers: Theres always another way

Bioware: We've dedicated our lives to understanding writing games, and I know with certainty: the kidalyst will allow us to sell games.

Gamers: And then what?

Bioware: Look at our writing powers! Look at what they can do!

Gamers: I see what they did to your forums..

Bioware: This is about things much bigger than the forums! Things much bigger than all of you!

Gamers: You're wrong. We won't buy from you.

Bioware: Then who will you buy from, gamers? Old activison, stuck in their ways, only able to make games that are the same? And what if they're wrong? What if the kidalyst is the way forward?

Gamers: Then do it. Ruin your sales.

Bioware: We.. we won't...

Gamers: If you mess up like this, you need to man up and change it. Go on. Do it. But you won't will you. They won't let you do it.

Bioware: No! We're in control! NOONE IS TELLING US WHAT TO DO!

Gamers: Listen to yourself...you're... under EA's control...

Bioware: No , no! All of you, acting so entitled! Do you think sales like this come easy!? There are sacrifices!

Gamers: You cut...too much..

Bioware: Gamers! W...we only wanted to make good games... the kidalyst can do that.. we know it can, I just..

Gamers: It's not too late...change the ending..

Bioware: I...I can't do that..gamers..

Gamers: Ofcourse you can't...you're under EA's control...

Bioware: You...you'd undo all our sales... We won't let that happen.

Gamers: Because of you, mass effect is already ruined. EA has your writers. They have us fighting each other, instead of them.

Bioware: I just need to..

Gamers: You've done exactly what EA wanted, and you're still doing it because they control you.

Bioware: I...they're too strong..

Gamers: You're stronger. Don't let them win. Break their hold. Don't let them own you.

Bioware: I tried...gamers....

*suicides*

LOL

[ShinAnubisXIII]

DJBare wrote...

Shin-Anubis wrote...
StarChild needs to go away. Mostly because he makes Sovereign and Saren in Mass Effect 1 irrelevant. I see absolutely no logical way, to clarify or even justify his existence.

Well, there is one logical way, but that's kind of frowned upon around these parts.

Yeah, I like the theory and while not completely perfect, it totally 'could' be an OutOfJail card for Bioware.

[JamesFaith]

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Exactly. 

How can he say that "nearly every single one of us" has become in some concensus? How many people are active here on BSN? 10 000? 50 000? Even if there were 100 000 active members, which looks quite ridiculous to me, EA sold (not shipped, sold) 890 000 coppies first day only in North America. He could say many people, or even he could say majority (but it is again questionable) but he never can say "nearly every single one of us" when he speak only for few percentage of gamers. Hell, even Retakers haven't one unanimous opinion how to solve it (better happy ending x new optinion in ending x DLC ending x rewritten ending x whole new ending x ...).

Name of this thread is just one big bulls...t.

[davishepard]

They not gonna scrap the Catalyst, fortunately. No gamer, not mattering how much he likes the game, has the right to say to the CREATORS what they should put on their games or not.

Extended cut hopefully will further explain what's there to explain.

Modifié par davishepard, 14 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[Ridwan]

JamesFaith wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Exactly. 

How can he say that "nearly every single one of us" has become in some concensus? How many people are active here on BSN? 10 000? 50 000? Even if there were 100 000 active members, which looks quite ridiculous to me, EA sold (not shipped, sold) 890 000 coppies first day only in North America. He could say many people, or even he could say majority (but it is again questionable) but he never can say "nearly every single one of us" when he speak only for few percentage of gamers. Hell, even Retakers haven't one unanimous opinion how to solve it (better happy ending x new optinion in ending x DLC ending x rewritten ending x whole new ending x ...).

Name of this thread is just one big bulls...t.

Yeah, cause we all knew how the game would end when we first bought it and preordered it. ><

The concept of games with long legs are lost on those that only look at initial strong sales and fail to understand what pisses consumers off.

BSN is an excellent way of seeing the mood of players. It's not rocket science, ya know.

[Ridwan]

davishepard wrote...

They not gonna scrap the Catalyst, fortunately. No gamer, not mattering how much he likes the game, has the right to say to the CREATORS what they should put on their games or not.

Extended cut hopefully will further explain what's there to explain.

Consumers have every right to demand changes to a product if it's viable enough. The producers can either adress it or ignore and risk that the consumers take their money elsewhere.

[davishepard]

M25105 wrote...

davishepard wrote...

They not gonna scrap the Catalyst, fortunately. No gamer, not mattering how much he likes the game, has the right to say to the CREATORS what they should put on their games or not.

Extended cut hopefully will further explain what's there to explain.

Consumers have every right to demand changes to a product if it's viable enough. The producers can either adress it or ignore and risk that the consumers take their money elsewhere.

No, they haven't. Consumers buy the games and have the right to play it. If you don't like the ending and have the limitated vision that this part ruins the whole game, then sell it and buy something else. IMO, they must never change their story because of a group of fans that didn't liked how it goes.

Modifié par davishepard, 15 avril 2012 - 02:32 .

[JamesFaith]

M25105 wrote...
BSN is an excellent way of seeing the mood of players. It's not rocket science, ya know.

Actually, analysis of statistic data is science. And by its rules BSN is no longer valid representative sample of all players.

Why? 

Because such representative group must offer same chance to say your opinion to all people in it. If you are Retaker, you have no problem create thread here. If you have neutral opinion you have no problem create neutral thread (about science, characters...). But try create pro-ender thread here and you must immeditiely justify yourself for your personal taste and you become target of jokes or accusation of trolling. And because only fraction of pro-enders are willing to endure this, they willingly becoming silent, retreating from here or speaking only in neutral threads.

BSN was representative sample maybe 2 or 3 weeks after releasing of ME3. Now it mostly offering data only about Retakers and their "factions", not about whole game community.

[slimshedim]

Joeyv wrote...

DJBare wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Ugh I'm getting tired of people creating plotholes in their head.(I'm not saying that there aren't plotholes, but this must not be one of them)

You can easily argue that by reaching the console, shepard has proven himself and his cycle to not be simple eradicated, but reach a level that is nearly equal as the reapers themselves. Thus the current solution won't cut it anymore, and a certain device that coupled with the citadel just gave it other options, that may seem better to it achieving it's goal.

This is just retarded. StarBrat's "solution" has been working for billions of years. The fact that Shepard's there bleeding out does not change anything. StarBrat could easily vent him out the airlock and proceed with business as usual. Why should he beam Shepard up to vital systems risking getting the "solution" being blown up leaving the Galaxy he was "protecting" fall to chaos?

You see, the last 10 Minutes of the game are all about betrayal. TIM knew how high the stakes were for humanity. He was no fool. TIM would never have risked indoctrination, becoming a tool for the reapers while betraying the only thing that mattered to him: Humanity. This is not TIM as we know him from ME2, but I can live with the changes Bioware made to his character. StarChild, the mysterious character that was introduced to people in the last 10 minutes of the game betraying himself by letting Shepard the opportunity to destroy his "solution", dooming the Galaxy to the singularity of synthetics that is according to himself, inevitable? After infinite cycles where he was successfully protecting the Galaxy, he just throws everything out of the window, because a half-dead organic is bleeding out in the room below StarBrat? Why would he betray himself and doom the Galaxy all of a sudden, since his solution was working perfectly up to the point where he started telling Shepard how he could end/temporarily end the cycle? I don't get it, but I can live with that. And last but not least: Shepard, the guy who always fought for everyone in the galaxy, who made choices/decision for the greater good, the very same Shepard who defied indoctrination, who firmly opposed Sovereign, Harbinger and Object Rho gives in to StarChild, a Reaper construct, after 14 lines of dialogue whilst betraying everything he ever tried to accomplish without even hesitating? I cannot live with that. This is not the Shepard I played in 3 games. This is not my Shepard. This is Bioware's Shepard. They robbed us of the main protagonist. Bioware betrayed their fans in the last 10 minutes of the game and by sticking to their artistic vision they don't even realize we're actually feeling betrayed. Heck, they even blame us for not liking the ending, just have a look at their statements and read between the lines. 10 Minutes full of betrayal and yet they still wonder why everyone has strong feelings about the ending?

JamesFaith wrote...

M25105 wrote...
BSN is an excellent way of seeing the mood of players. It's not rocket science, ya know.

Actually, analysis of statistic data is science. And by its rules BSN is no longer valid representative sample of all players.

Why? 

Because such
representative group must offer same chance to say your opinion to all
people in it. If you are Retaker, you have no problem create thread
here. If you have neutral opinion you have no problem create neutral
thread (about science, characters...). But try create pro-ender thread
here and you must immeditiely justify yourself for your personal taste
and you become target of jokes or accusation of trolling. And because
only fraction of pro-enders are willing to endure this, they willingly
becoming silent, retreating from here or speaking only in neutral
threads.

BSN was representative sample maybe 2 or 3 weeks after
releasing of ME3. Now it mostly offering data only about Retakers and
their "factions", not about whole game community.

This is BS. Retakers have to justify themselves, too. Especially if they decide to post in pro-ending threads. Also, not every retaker is voicing his opinion. The fact that the vast majority of threads are still anti-ending proves that's the most common opinion. Just look at the polls of other websites such as GameStar.de. The vast majority of their readers voted they absolutely disliked the ending. I bet if wBioware made a mandatory poll wgere every customer who purchased ME3 has to participate, they would get a shocking result: The ending sucks! Not just because people are disappointed, it's because it's poorly written. People do not like the ending, just accept it or you're making the same mistake Bioware is making.

Modifié par slimshedim, 14 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[survivor_686]

I always did feel that Starchild was a cross between the Illuminati and the mad AI from iRobot (the movie). Both have access to powerful resources, both happily stomp on entire groups in order to impose their vision of nirvana and both try to justify their crap methods.

While I still dislike Starchild as a story element (introduces too many plot holes), if Bioware played up on the above aspect, it could make the Starchild less offensive.

Either that or kill the damn thing. Or at least throw in a scene where the damn thing shrieks in horror as you choose the destroy option.

[JamesFaith]

slimshedim wrote...
This is BS. Retakers have to justify themselves, too. Especially if they decide to post in pro-ending threads. Also, not every retaker is voicing his opinion. The fact that the vast majority of threads are still anti-ending proves that's the most common opinion. Just look at the polls of other websites such as GameStar.de. The vast majority of their readers voted they absolutely disliked the ending. I bet if wBioware made a mandatory poll wgere every customer who purchased ME3 has to participate, they would get a shocking result: The ending sucks! Not just because people are disappointed, it's because it's poorly written. People do not like the ending, just accept it or you're making the same mistake Bioware is making.

When you enter thread, which claiming in its name, that is pro-ender, with retakes opinion, you must be ready to justify himslef. But why retakers entering such thread and demanding answer from OP? Why they enter them only to make fun from OP? To accusing them from trolling? To insult them? It's so hard to let them be?
Do you really believe that if someone create pro-ender thread now it wan't be overun by Retaker in less then few hour just because OP has different opinion on end?

And I never said that Retakers are minority or majority. I just said you can't get precise result only based on forum like this. Saying that "nearly every single one of us" , esspecialy when even all retakers haven't same opinion on it, is big-mouthed claiming.

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...
No, they haven't. Consumers buy the games and have the right to play it. If you don't like the ending and have the limitated vision that this part ruins the whole game, then sold it and buy something else. IMO, they must never change their story because of a group of fans that didn't liked how it goes.

limitated?
Actually, consumers have one very powerful right, that is to withhold their cash and not make anymore purchases from a company that does not deliver a satisfactory product, which is exactly what a lot of us are doing, see my sig banner, if Bioware want my custom in the future they will have to deliver a better product, I for one will not be deciding until I see the extended DLC, if I'm satisfied, only then will I consider any more purchases from them.

[B10h4z4rd1990]

the biggest question I have about the hologram kid is:" Why is it human?"

[Adanu]

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Modifié par Adanu, 14 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Spectre Impersonator]

But... but he's so artistic and deep.


Nevermind that almost all fans seem to think he's worthless and destroys the trilogy.

[Ridwan]

Adanu wrote...

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Yeah calling out companies for screwing with their customers, makes us bad and not the company, right?

How's EAs kool aid tasting?

[LeTtotheC]

Someone needs to tell his parents that their son is bent on wiping out all life. I'm imagining that being grounded will teach the whipper snapper about having some self control.

[Adanu]

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Yeah calling out companies for screwing with their customers, makes us bad and not the company, right?

How's EAs kool aid tasting?

I'm a customer as much as you are, and I have as much right to enjoy Biowares offerings as you have to disaagree with me on that.

But calling 'proenders' a minority based on 'mob' logic? **** you.

[Ridwan]

Adanu wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Yeah calling out companies for screwing with their customers, makes us bad and not the company, right?

How's EAs kool aid tasting?

I'm a customer as much as you are, and I have as much right to enjoy Biowares offerings as you have to disaagree with me on that.

But calling 'proenders' a minority based on 'mob' logic? **** you.

You are a MINORITY. Every single poll whether here, on other sites, has shown that there is a big outrage over this ****ty ending.

And **** you right back, not everyone likes getting screwed over when we paid good money and supported a company over the years, cause two people with their heads up their asses decided to be "artistic".

Modifié par M25105, 14 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[MrHiGhToWeRr]

wiggums91 wrote...

Banelash wrote...

lol do I get a renegade option?

*Shoots casey hudson, right in the artistic integrity*

How can you shoot someone in something they don't have?