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[omntt]

Thanks OP, it's nice to see there is still someone fighting against the real atrocity in the ending, much more for me then colors swap and unlikely stranded ships.
I won't name it 'cause I should use 2-3 insults at least to describe that thing, too.

EDIT : They' ll have to do miracles to make it decent.

Modifié par omntt, 14 avril 2012 - 03:03 .

[MrHiGhToWeRr]

B10h4z4rd1990 wrote...

the biggest question I have about the hologram kid is:" Why is it human?"

Mine is, "If the catalyst is an artifical construct, and thus created, doesn't his very existence contradict the rationality behind creating, and thus a 'created' as well, the Reapers?" Damn logic. 

[JamesFaith]

B10h4z4rd1990 wrote...

the biggest question I have about the hologram kid is:" Why is it human?"

Actually, this isn't nothing new or special, sci-fi writers using this trick really long time. Alien entity enter your thoughts, choose some person and mimic it to make communication easier. For example Contact from Carl Sagan.

[StillOverrated]

Joeyv wrote...

Keep the kid.
You must man up, accept that Bioware, according to your opinion, messed up the ending.
Erasing a whole part of a game that has reached everyones computer or game consoles already probably won't create a better ending.
They can't just recreate a part of the game, at least not how I see it.

davishepard wrote...

They not gonna scrap the Catalyst,
fortunately. No gamer, not mattering how much he likes the game, has the
right to say to the CREATORS what they should put on their games or
not.

Extended cut hopefully will further explain what's there to explain.

Yeah, changing the ending because it's underwhelmingly bad and makes little sense, that's unheard of! *coughFallout3cough*

[warrior256]

But.... But there's still a whole two people that like him! Bioware can't disappoint the fans who get the ending can they???

[Cecilia L]

shodiswe wrote...

I wanted a real conversation, I coudl even immagine throwing a boot of comments about his choice of apperance, that woudl make the reaper take the form of the Citadel instead, and then you continue the conversation and debate, with epic paragon or renegade choices and maybe even paragon/renegade interrupts. I cant see why both paragon anf renegade interrupts could be available on the same sentence spoken. There always seems to be one or the other..

If there isn't a bossfight then I expect a verbal showdown..... We get nothing, just a pick you poison bartender. Who can't even provide you any meaning full conversation options  
(...)
 I wanted an epic showdown, verbal or physical.. which ever... to resolve this once and for all.
Also some additional closure to the ending would be appreciated. atm it looks more like a cliffhanger than the ending to ME1 did.

This.

[JamesFaith]

StillOverrated wrote...

Yeah, changing the ending because it's underwhelmingly bad and makes little sense, that's unheard of! *coughFallout3cough*

Yes, create new chapter to *cough.getmoremoneyfromDLC.cough* mean changing end.

[recentio]

Much respect for calling it like you see it, OP, and thanks for the book recommendations. I will check them out. :-)

I find it pretty hilarious when people can't tell the difference between true high art and wannabe pretensions like this kid and his arbitrary conundrum. Pretension is a mimicry of the form of art that never achieves, or often even scratching the surface of, its function which is to speak to/with the human being -- the target audience human being. Genuinely moving art is a triumph of *function*, not just form.

ME3's ending does have a semblance of depth to it, but it falls far too short to deserve an unwavering defense as art in its current version. (Hence, BW has sagely chosen to revise.) One of the biggest reasons for that miss is not even the content of the ending but rather the crafting of how the ending is integrated (or, I should say, not integrated) with the rest of the story.

BioWare would lose too much face to retcon the Starkid; that's just a fact. But, I'm very hopeful that the storytelling craftsmanship that the writers who were excluded from the original ending will bring to the EC will raise the bar much higher than it is now. I think they will mostly redeem it and make ME3 a story we'll all want to revisit time and again.

[No_MSG]

Of course.  No one should ever have to change their work, just because someone else said to.
Oh... wait:
www.joystiq.com/2012/02/04/bioware-fixing-mass-effect-deception-novel-mistakes-in-future-e/

[johhnytrash]

It's really simple. It's bad writing that wasn't peer reviewed. I'm hoping they can salvage what they can, but this is going down in history with the Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Matrix sequels, Jungle Fever ending.

Actually, read this and then ask if you think that any of those moves deserved an artistic integrity defense.

http://www.cracked.c...st-endings.html

[El_Draque]

M25105 wrote...

Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?
Why does the kid allow Harbinger to fly off without finishing Shepard.
Why didn't the kid open the citadel for Sovereign in Mass Effect 1?
Why didn't the kid know about the peace between the Geth and the Quarians (if you made that choice)?
Why did the kid point out that you could destroy all synthetics?

And why is Shepard not calling the kid out for being a genocidal mass murdering freak?

[Ridwan]

And another thing about the stupid kid. Remember in Mass Effect when you spoke to Sovereign and had said "We are each an independent nation".

Enter the kid of plot holes: "The reapers are my solution, I control them"

[JamesFaith]

No_MSG wrote...

Of course.  No one should ever have to change their work, just because someone else said to.
Oh... wait:
www.joystiq.com/2012/02/04/bioware-fixing-mass-effect-deception-novel-mistakes-in-future-e/

Little problem here.

Dietz got a contract to write Mass Effect book. Dietz completely ignore ME lore. Dietz violate their contract.

There is big difference between correcting objectively doubtless flaws and changing your work after critique based on subjective taste. 

[Adanu]

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Yeah calling out companies for screwing with their customers, makes us bad and not the company, right?

How's EAs kool aid tasting?

I'm a customer as much as you are, and I have as much right to enjoy Biowares offerings as you have to disaagree with me on that.

But calling 'proenders' a minority based on 'mob' logic? **** you.

You are a MINORITY. Every single poll whether here, on other sites, has shown that there is a big outrage over this ****ty ending.

And **** you right back, not everyone likes getting screwed over when we paid good money and supported a company over the years, cause two people with their heads up their asses decided to be "artistic".

Because as we all know, polls on the internet account for EVERYONE in the WORLD.

Take your mob mentality logic and shove it harder.

[Ridwan]

Adanu wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

SO basically because a bunch of whining fans are being entitled brats and are stomping their feet they should change it?

No.

M25105 wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

If we have consensus, then my bottom smells of roses and lavender.

Funny, I always see the same few names defending the ending. You guys are a minority, deal with it.

Calling
companies out when they BS their consumers, is a consumer right and we
do it cause we love them. I want to buy Bioware games in the future, but
if they can't get their heads out of their asses and see what the
problem is, then they lost my money.

Oh and by the way, there are plenty of people who hated the ending, but never posts here.

By that same logic, there are plenty of people who never post who liked the ending, much like me and a dozen of my friends.

Take your minority and shove it up your ass, ******.

Yeah calling out companies for screwing with their customers, makes us bad and not the company, right?

How's EAs kool aid tasting?

I'm a customer as much as you are, and I have as much right to enjoy Biowares offerings as you have to disaagree with me on that.

But calling 'proenders' a minority based on 'mob' logic? **** you.

You are a MINORITY. Every single poll whether here, on other sites, has shown that there is a big outrage over this ****ty ending.

And **** you right back, not everyone likes getting screwed over when we paid good money and supported a company over the years, cause two people with their heads up their asses decided to be "artistic".

Because as we all know, polls on the internet account for EVERYONE in the WORLD.

Take your mob mentality logic and shove it harder.

Sure, right up your corporate defending ass.

[M Hedonist]

Adanu wrote...

Because as we all know, polls on the internet account for EVERYONE in the WORLD.

Take your mob mentality logic and shove it harder.

That's not 'mob mentality'. It's just statistics. No poll or survey could possibly account for the whole population. Statistics work on the assumption that any random group of people from one big group of people is representative of that whole group of people. In this case, you can argue against that assumption that only those people who disliked the ending would go to these polls, but you can also argue that there are some people who didn't even play the game and are just voting because they want to support Bioware's 'artistic integrity'.

Modifié par Sauruz, 14 avril 2012 - 03:57 .

[MrTijger]

DJBare wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Why does the kid beam Shepard up, if Shepard is dying from blood loss?

Okay, that was actually so obvious and I missed it, DOH!, Yeah, why did the kid raise Shepard up on the light elevator,
Starbrat: "here mr/miss Shepard, let me give you a helping hand to get near sensitive equipment that could destroy me."
M25105, please no more, my heads getting sore banging the desk.

Well, why doesnt the kid beam Shepard up at the end of ME 1, would have saved everyone a lot of work, amirite?

[MrAtomica]

"The fact that you are here, the first organic ever, is proof that my solution won't work anymore."

"Uhhhhhhhh, you brought me up here. I was dying, I thought I had failed, and you brought me up here..."

That's only one of the issues with the kid.

[jurgen_fool]

"You've basically taken something people love, and you deserve props for creating a series we get so attached to, and then you decide to ****** on our faces with this ending."

Oh how I wish they would literally ****** on your face.

The amount of effort going you annoying, whinging 5 year-old-brats are putting onto this is ridiculous. We get it - you don't like the ending. Now stfu already. You've more than made your point. Seriously. Shut it.

[Ridwan]

jurgen_fool wrote...

"You've basically taken something people love, and you deserve props for creating a series we get so attached to, and then you decide to ****** on our faces with this ending."

Oh how I wish they would literally ****** on your face.

The amount of effort going you annoying, whinging 5 year-old-brats are putting onto this is ridiculous. We get it - you don't like the ending. Now stfu already. You've more than made your point. Seriously. Shut it.

Don't like it, don't click on the thread and read. Take your own advice.

[NickelToe]

Everyone equates Star Child to Jar Jar Binks... Come on guys. Jar Jar has feelings, that low. Even Jar Jar shouldn't be connected to Star Boy Wonder. One reason Jar Jar is not as bad as Star Kiddy is because Lucas had the sense to remove him as a main character, there is not that much common sense in this camp.

The only way to top worst character is to wait for Bioware's next release. Its a Trilogy ender too, like a President in his second term, Bioware has nothing stopping them from going off the deep end.

[MrTijger]

M25105 wrote...

And another thing about the stupid kid. Remember in Mass Effect when you spoke to Sovereign and had said "We are each an independent nation".

Enter the kid of plot holes: "The reapers are my solution, I control them"

Uh, there's no contradiction there if you consider that the Reapers are all thats left of scores of entire galactic civilizations. They're each independent nations/civilizatiand and the avatar explains that as his method of saving them, while that may not sit well with you or the entire civilization isnt the point.

[NickelToe]

jurgen_fool wrote...

"You've basically taken something people love, and you deserve props for creating a series we get so attached to, and then you decide to ****** on our faces with this ending."

Oh how I wish they would literally ****** on your face.

The amount of effort going you annoying, whinging 5 year-old-brats are putting onto this is ridiculous. We get it - you don't like the ending. Now stfu already. You've more than made your point. Seriously. Shut it.

Made the point?

Silence means acceptance to corporations, especially gaming ones.  The only way fans will be heard is for literrally thousands of them to constantly voice that.

Without that, they will not hear fans at all.  They may have forum moderators pick out posts of total support once in a while but they will rarely read or care about anyone who disagrees with them unless it is in bulk.  I have never seen a company, government or any other organization change their toon without pressure, Bioware is no different.

[AnthonyDraft]

I don't think they need to remove the Starchild.

What they should do though, is put more effort in the last scene, and properly end the game.

[D.Sharrah]

wiggums91 wrote...

Bioware: They were scared. There were some who thought that a sequel shouldn't be made. Terrified, of what we might mess up. But look, at what Bioware has achieved. Since that game, we have advanced more than the past 10 years combined! And the extended cut will advance those sales.

Gamers: Bull****! Destroy the kidalyst, or he destroys your sales.

Bioware: And waste this oppurtunity? Never.

Gamers: You're writing with concepts you don't understand. Plot twists you shouldn't be able to use.

Bioware: I... don't believe that. If we can sell it, why shouldn't we write it?

Gamers: Because... you're not ready...

Bioware: No...this is the way the gaming industry must evolve.

Gamers: Theres always another way

Bioware: We've dedicated our lives to understanding writing games, and I know with certainty: the kidalyst will allow us to sell games.

Gamers: And then what?

Bioware: Look at our writing powers! Look at what they can do!

Gamers: I see what they did to your forums..

Bioware: This is about things much bigger than the forums! Things much bigger than all of you!

Gamers: You're wrong. We won't buy from you.

Bioware: Then who will you buy from, gamers? Old activison, stuck in their ways, only able to make games that are the same? And what if they're wrong? What if the kidalyst is the way forward?

Gamers: Then do it. Ruin your sales.

Bioware: We.. we won't...

Gamers: If you mess up like this, you need to man up and change it. Go on. Do it. But you won't will you. They won't let you do it.

Bioware: No! We're in control! NOONE IS TELLING US WHAT TO DO!

Gamers: Listen to yourself...you're... under EA's control...

Bioware: No , no! All of you, acting so entitled! Do you think sales like this come easy!? There are sacrifices!

Gamers: You cut...too much..

Bioware: Gamers! W...we only wanted to make good games... the kidalyst can do that.. we know it can, I just..

Gamers: It's not too late...change the ending..

Bioware: I...I can't do that..gamers..

Gamers: Ofcourse you can't...you're under EA's control...

Bioware: You...you'd undo all our sales... We won't let that happen.

Gamers: Because of you, mass effect is already ruined. EA has your writers. They have us fighting each other, instead of them.

Bioware: I just need to..

Gamers: You've done exactly what EA wanted, and you're still doing it because they control you.

Bioware: I...they're too strong..

Gamers: You're stronger. Don't let them win. Break their hold. Don't let them own you.

Bioware: I tried...gamers....

*suicides*

.....Just....awesome.