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[whykikyouwhy]

I'm not sure how much the romance aspect (or lack of) comes into play, although I have seen declarations of woe or disgust to the extreme on both sides of that spectrum.

Not being filled with Asha'Bellanar hate myself (shocking, I know...), I can only hazard a guess. I think it may have to do with her cryptic nature. While some people like mysteries and secrets, others are annoyed by them - loose ends never tied, details left in shadow, tidbits locked away and possibly never to be revealed are unfathomably frustrating. And Flemeth represents all of those. She speaks with her own clever tongue, with riddles and portents. She has yet to reveal her full and true nature and so she stands outside of the spectrum of what a player can control.

Thus, for some, she gets lumped into that "irritating old hag who doesn't give me what I want so I just want to kill her and her dragon-ness" category.

[whykikyouwhy]

Rojahar wrote...

I bring up the romance aspect, because any reason to hate or assume evil of Flemeth applies just as much, if not moreso, to Morrigan. I wonder if people, be they aware of it or not, are simply more empathetic to some characters because of a romance plot or physical attraction to the character.

That's an interesting perspective, certainly (and Flemeth, regardless of incarnation, has that voice - that in and of itself is incredibly alluring).

I think attractiveness may be a factor, though romance-ability (the option of being an LI) might be much less so. Just looking at the available LIs in DA2 as an example - you have players with opposing viewpoints on Fenris. He is not regarded as a sympathetic character by many, despite being an option. What people are drawn to - be it on a romanctic or platonic level, those qualities that captivate us or that we admire - would probably lend itself to the desire to preserve, protect, or simply maintain.

[rak72]

I think it's because we just don't know what she's up to ( not that I hate her, I think she's cool).

[FaeQueenCory]

Humans dislike what they do not comprehend or what is different than them...
And Flemeth is too alien a character for most people, so they dislike her alienness.

[CuriousArtemis]

I had no idea anyone even disliked her. I've sen people list her as a (joke) potential companion. In fact I'm pretty sure she's one of the most popular DA characters of all time!

The only thing I've seen people complain about is her design difference in DA:O versus DA2, but that's mostly that DA2 haters, and really, they will complain about anything in DA2 that differs even slightly from DA:O.

As if it's hard to imagine that Flemeth can take any form she bloody well likes!

[DahliaLynn]

Flemeth is one of my favorite characters in DA. I find her intriguing as she was written to be.

I happen to like old..powerful, knowledgable characters with motivations yet unknown. I want to know more about her, since it seems she has a better handle on what's going on over anyone else..prophecy or whatever you may call it. 

Her riddles deep, bitter, humorously sarcastic, and always behind a thick wall of ambiguity. Her past (according to the tales) makes her even more..human..making her all the more attractive. She is both extremely dangerous, appears selfishly calculating in DA:O, yet seemingly expresses genuine compassion in DA2.

She even depicts a certain weakness and inner pain. I feel as if she holds the secrets to all the mysteries in Thedas. Either her, or she has knowledge of some higher power that mystifies even her.

Mysterious, powerful, unknown motivations that you can't paint black or white..yet. I find her to be one of the most interesting characters, and have never seen any explicit hatred for her myself. I want more Flemeth, in small healthy doses of course

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 14 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Flemeth is like the bizarro offspring of Maleficent and Gandalf. Wise, all-knowing, immortal, beautiful, probably just playing with you because she's bored.

Total BAMF.

[DahliaLynn]

I guess BAMF sums it all up

[TheKristoffski]

People hate Flemeth, because in reality she's the only fictional Milf character I've ever dreamt of sharing my bed with....just like everyone has....shes a hot momma...and i want her

[LolaLei]

I can't decide if she's good, evil or a bit of both. So while I wanted to kill her in DA:O because she wanted to used Morrigan's body as a vessel, in DA2 she done Hawke a favour and didn't seem quite so... evil.

[DeathScepter]

hate is a strong word. I don't hate her; I don't want anyone using Morrigan's body. It is her body her property.

[prizm123]

people hate Flemeth? why? she is by far the most enigmatic and interesting entity in the DA setting.
I want MORE Flemeth in future DA games

[edwardlm3]

I didn't like Flemeth after playing all the way through Origins, but I respected her. Morrigan was cool and you wanted to protect the gothic witch. However, after reading all the Dragon Age books and multiple playthroughs on Origins and DA2, I think Flemeth is equally cool. The re-animated Flemeth is 100% milf goodness and very poetic. The game never reveals her true agenda. Surely she would have played a part in a mage rebellion. Then again I was always hoping Morrigan would pop out of Merrill's mirror once she finished....Neva happened. You have to wonder if all the DA2 hate kept Bioware from providing the DLC to extend the story.

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[BubbleDncr]

I don't hate Flemeth.

I am unsure what her intentions are. Is she good? Is she evil? Who knows?
She's only ever helped our PC's (unless you attack her), but there's just that feeling there that you shouldn't trust her. That she's up to no good.

Though, I really hope they give us an answer on some of that in DA3. I don't know how long I can bear wondering.

[Emzamination]

Most everyone hates the mother in law.

[edwardlm3]

LOL. Everyone hates the mother in law

[hussey 92]

The Robes of Possesion in her hut are proof she was going to posses Morrigan.

Also Morrigan explains that Flemeth only helps you so that Morrigan will get impregnated with the god-baby

note:  it's also possible shes not Morrigans real mother

Modifié par hussey 92, 20 avril 2012 - 10:47 .

[cowoline]

Does people hate Felmeth? Havn't noticed:whistle:

I love Flemeth, don't trust her at all, but love her!

First time i did Morrigans quest in origins, i kept reloading.... I really couldn't get myself to kill her:crying: It helped a little when i played DAII and realized she could "respawn":D

I am really looking forward to DA III just to get a hint of what she is up to.

[Sylvanpyxie]

The Robes of Possesion in her hut are proof she was going to posses Morrigan.

While it's obvious Flemeth was planning to take control of Morrigan's body, who says that it was "possession"? Would Morrigan have noticed? We know how Spiritual Possession works, the "demonic" spirit suppresses the human spirit and takes control of the body. We *don't* know how Flemeth would've done it.

Let's face it, Flemeth has power we can't rightly make assumptions about, yet. For all we know she wouldn't have so much "possessed" Morrigan, as completely and utterly obliterated her soul and taken her empty body as a vessel.

As for Flemeth's plans, they're obviously beyond our comprehension at this point. We don't know nearly enough about *her* to assume anything. All Flemeth has really done so far is nudge "Champions" down a specific path.

Whether that's good or bad, it's hard to tell. But Flemeth seems to be largely neutral in all conflicts that have erupted around her. She's merely been setting people on their path and not interfering directly of events that are unfolding.

We can't rightly say if she's planning something good, or evil.

She could be building up champions to fight against some great evil that's heading for Thedas. She could be hand-crafting her own soldiers for some great war. She could be putting things in place to further her own power.

We simply don't know if she's a self serving crazy lady or a shining beacon of goody greatness who's hell bent on saving the world.

Because of this, I can understand why people might not like her, or trust her. Whether it's because they're so loyal to Morrigan, or because she's just so much of a mystery that she's dangerous. Or even if it's her neutrality that bothers them.

Me, personally? I love Flemeth. Her neutrality pleases me, she doesn't take an active role in shaping the conflicts of Thedas, which is something i appreciate. If you're going to play with fate, you have to be subtle.

Flemeth is ultimately what *I* would be, if i had super powers. A neutral observer, who occasionally plays with fate. I love her.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 21 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[hussey 92]

putting champions down the right path is a nice waye to put it. She used the Warden to get the god-baby and she saved the Champion so that he/she would save her later.

And I don't see what makes her neutral, she was against the blight (not neutral) and was not present during the mage/templer conflict.

Also the description of the Robes of Possesion say: "The original intent of these robes is clear: a "welcome home" present from Flemeth, designed to sap Morrigan's will and ease the ancient sorceress's possession of her daughter. With Flemeth dead, these robes no longer pose a danger to Morrigan--but Maker help those who get in her way." So I think it's pretty clear Flemeth is trying to posses Morrigan

[Nightdragon8]

DA:O bed sharing would be nightmare fuel.... while DA2, i would consider it, If i have exit stratagy.

with everything else going on, its just hard to say what she is cooking up.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

hussey 92 wrote...

The Robes of Possesion in her hut are proof she was going to posses Morrigan.

Also Morrigan explains that Flemeth only helps you so that Morrigan will get impregnated with the god-baby

note:  it's also possible shes not Morrigans real mother

Flemeth isn't Morrigan's biological daughter, she stole her. From a Chasind, I believe.

And yes, Flemeth had ulterior motives for helping the Warden and the Champion.
In Origins, she wanted the Warden to impregnate Morrigan ...
In DA2, she helps you so that you will deliver the amulet, so that she keeps on living ...

But, regardless, I really like the character of Flemeth.

Modifié par M0RD3CA1 VII, 05 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[BTG_01]

'Cause she's a witch of the wilds who steals children!

I like Flemeth, although I would like them to shed a bit more light on her powers, background, etc. I don't want her to lose all her mystery, but I'm hoping they give us a bit more in DA3.

Modifié par BTG_01, 09 mai 2012 - 06:55 .