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[Ibian]

 Well, that's how i feel anyhow. The concept is ok, but... making an armor using, sword swinging magic user is already quite possible without any specialist classes. He won't hit as hard as a warrior, unless he uses spells in which case he hits harder, and he won't have access to certain spells as soon as a normal mage would, but to the kind of people who would play a melee/magic hybrid in the first place this is not a bad tradeoff for versatility. It also allows for imitating various classes or professions from other games, such as paladins or shadowknights and such. Great for getting into character.

So why did they add the AW class if it is not really needed? Partly i suspect it was to get people to actually play a magical warrior, but they made a mistake somewhere along the way, mainly with the spell Shimmering Shield. 75% resistance to everything for basically free, on top of what is already a very potent combination of armor and magic, is simply too much. It's basically impossible to die with that spell active until you run out of health potions.

[thegreateski]

It's a one player game.

class balance be DAMNED.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Making a warrior mage without the AW spec is pretty much impossible. You'd be incredibly gimped because you'd have to equally divide points among strength, dexterity, willpower and magic if you want to ever hit anything. You'd have to effectively ignore your magic score and focus on strength so you could even begin to equip swords/armour but even then your basic auto attack damage isn't going to be a big deal (the strength of warriors is their talents) and your magic casting is going to be sub-par.



AW is overpowered, but the idea of the class itself is not ill-founded.

[Cryo84]

Arcane Warriors were made so you can go through nightmare with no party members.

[Sloth Of Doom]

thegreateski wrote...

It's a one player game.

class balance be DAMNED.

+1

[DJoker35]

Single player game. If you don't like the Arcane Warrior, for whatever reason......

then don't play one.

Balance is a non-issue. It's a party of 4 the game was designed around. Add or subtract classes to that to get the fit that feels best. And if having an OP party is what the player enjoys, then great. And if running a solo character around on nightmare with nothing more than their underwear and a spoon is what they like, then that's fine too.

Modifié par DJoker35, 05 décembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[DragonRageGT]

You're right, OP. It should have been Arcane Archer!!! Boy, do I miss my gud 'ol AA?

It is a joke, case it goes unnoticed!

Modifié par RageGT, 05 décembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Skellimancer]

You can't nerf mages or there will be more crying on the forums that easy mode is too hard.

[Mavkiel]

balance matters for any game, regardless if its single player. Many folks like "challenging" encounters and not having a cakewalk through every fight. Arcane warrior simply breaks the difficulty of the game. If you do not want a challenge, the game already accommodates you, its called cheating.



Now before the snarky comments of "just don't use it" come in. Its 1 of 3 viable mage specializations. Considering you get two points to spend, its loss is potentially annoying to the user. Heck, I dare anyone to name a speclization that comes close to equaling the arcane warrior. I cannot think of a single one. The other specs simply add flavor imo, not radically change alter your game.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

idc i love the AW class because is fun who cares about balance and if you dont like them dont choose the specialization theres 3 other to choose from

[Tirigon]

actually, you cant solo the game on nightmare with an aw

I had one, and i found the game still challenging, for the most part at least

[Iramyr]

I agree, AW totally breaks the game balance, but then again only people that like fairy's in heavy armor or people that want to make nightmare feel like easy mode will make one.

[marshalleck]

Tirigon wrote...

actually, you cant solo the game on nightmare with an aw

Maybe you can't.

[Rainen89]

< made one just so my mage didn't have to wear a robe true story.

[1varangian]

And why is it that regular Mages with a strong Primal focus don't get access to elemental protection like AW's do.



Also Magic should never qualify for heavy armors and weapons. STR should remain relevant, AW or not. Some pencilneck mage in massive armor is just wrong.



And it would be nice to be able to create a mage warrior hybrid with Weapon talents.

[Loetek]

I wish playing a mage was harder. I actually dont play one because I got bored due to lack of challange. I wish magic resist scaled up more with difficulty.

[Tonya777]

Shapeshifters the mistake , not AW



Unless they patch it so you can still cast your spells as an animal or something

[sacredl]

>thread



ahaha oh wow. just fix the shimmer shield.

[DKJaigen]

Aw isnt nearly as good as some people say. all 3 classes have some very powerful specs in them. dual wield zerker warriors will have an aoe and single dps that t mages cant get even remotly close to

[Kaosgirl]

Mavkiel wrote...

balance matters for any game, regardless if its single player. Many folks like "challenging" encounters and not having a cakewalk through every fight. Arcane warrior simply breaks the difficulty of the game. If you do not want a challenge, the game already accommodates you, its called cheating.

Now before the snarky comments of "just don't use it" come in. Its 1 of 3 viable mage specializations.

If it's truly "overpowered," then it's not really 'viable.'  It's as broken as a gimped specialization, just in the opposite direction.  But that's a semantic quibble.

I am curious, though, how overpowered any of the mage builds really are without the infinite lyrium potion feature.  

[Kaosgirl]

marshalleck wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

actually, you cant solo the game on nightmare with an aw

Maybe you can't.

He's right, on a technicality. 
You don't get your first specialization until 7th level.  So there's at least that much of the game that you can't do with an AW  

[marshalleck]

Booooo. Technicalities are always such a hollow victory.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 décembre 2009 - 01:43 .

[0mar]

thegreateski wrote...

It's a one player game.

class balance be DAMNED.

True, every class should get a nuke option at level 1, which eradicates all hostiles on the current map.

[pokemaughan]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

It's a one player game.

class balance be DAMNED.

+1

+2, damnit