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[humes spork]

SonsofNorthWind wrote...

Pretty sure it doesn't deal more damage than an AoE Incinerate that hits multiple enemies, or an Armor Damage incinerate that hits armor, or a tech burst.

It doesn't, and using a carnifex isn't a choice mutually exclusive with taking incinerate in the first place. One's a weapon and the other's a power. The same goes for ammo powers.

 Fire explosions are not as reliable since.it.only happens when an enemy dies. 

I have no problems doing it. Incinerate a cannibal, headshot it once and ED. Congratulations, you've now visited upon it and all its friends nearby -- because reaper mooks love to clump up -- burney death.

Modifié par humes spork, 16 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[koucha]

humes spork wrote...

Yup, even against Cerberus and Geth is incinerate very useful. For example, knocking nemesi out of cover with an arced incinerate is a death sentence. Their behavior dictates they run for the hills when taking damage, which gives you an opportunity to ED to shieldgate and stagger them, which makes them a headshot or two away from death. And if for some reason you can't get them with the headshots, they either run to cover and burn to death or you can fire explode them with a second ED. It also comes in very handy against phantoms, who have a tendency to back off fast if you lob tracking projectiles at them (read, incinerate) or at the very least causes them to do their acrobatic dodge or go into the power-immunity stance which buys you time to reposition or throw out a decoy.

This.

And also it's not like you can't use a carnifex and incinerate... ;

[RamsenC]

I've been thinking of just getting 3 ranks of Decoy. Not sure the extra shields and duration are really needed if you can stay on top of recasting. Allows you to get incinerate pretty easily.

[mishundar]

humes spork wrote...

I can't endorse skipping incinerate as someone whose most-played class is SE.

While ED is at an absolute premium against geth, and highly useful against cerberus given the prevalence of shields among that faction, it is of very limited use against reapers. And, in that aspect it is a much weaker vehicle than incinerate, which can also both prime and detonate, deals more damage than does ED, and is better-applicable to a larger portion of enemies than is ED.

Ironically, the only time you really want to skip incinerate is on a FBW geth build since you're never in a position that ED loses its premium status as a damage power such as you would against reapers. This is especially true for the fact reapers are less liable to attack your decoy than are geth or cerberus, and coupled with the fact there are only two enemies from which you can drain to replenish your own shields that are both sparse and low-priority targets you cannot play the indefinite decoy waiting game.

The most versatile, toughest build I've found for SE is, as others have said, 6/6/6/5/3.

If you skip incinerate for FBW Geth farming, you're crazy.  All the Geth Turrets and Combat drones the primes drop are easy fodder for fire explosions.  Incinerate them, then kill with ED for delicious fire explosions.  I crush FBW scores using that method. 

[Axialbloom]

Incinerate also debuffs what it hits.

[suprarj]

lol, posts a build, blasts anyone who disagrees with it.

Carnifex or not, you should include incinerate. Maxing out decoy is not necessary. Also it's currently broken for damage.

But I've used this build before because it's more or less the perfect geth fbw build. I don't play my SE very often unless it's a farming PUG with no engineers. Since this build is clearly designed for FBW, you should take the other option at the end of energy drain. Energy drain is more like a heal and it never ceases to amaze me how many people use it for dps. Also, your puny tech bursts interfere with us adepts doing a man's work with the DPS.

[molecularman]

Yeah, I'd go for 6/3/6/5/6. Basically the only minus is having to recast decoy every 20 s instead of every ~30 s, which isn't that bad

[Ender1221]

suprarj wrote...

lol, posts a build, blasts anyone who disagrees with it.

Carnifex or not, you should include incinerate. Maxing out decoy is not necessary. Also it's currently broken for damage.

But I've used this build before because it's more or less the perfect geth fbw build. I don't play my SE very often unless it's a farming PUG with no engineers. Since this build is clearly designed for FBW, you should take the other option at the end of energy drain. Energy drain is more like a heal and it never ceases to amaze me how many people use it for dps. Also, your puny tech bursts interfere with us adepts doing a man's work with the DPS.

I will agree that, when running a "Tech Burst" character, you need to be mindful of who your teammates are.  I try really, really, really hard not to ED a warped/reaved character, and nothing annoys me more than seeing other techy teammates ignoring the incoming biotic combo.  Also, is it just me, or do Tech Bursts shake everybody's screen?  It feels like anytime I'm sniping a Prime, my screen is going crazy with all the Tech Bursts.  If they would just stop, I could take this guy out in 3 shots!

[koucha]

Ender1221 wrote...

Also, is it just me, or do Tech Bursts shake everybody's screen?  It feels like anytime I'm sniping a Prime, my screen is going crazy with all the Tech Bursts.  If they would just stop, I could take this guy out in 3 shots!

I think that's actually the prime's attack impacting that makes the screen shake. I never noticed any shaking if there's no prime.

[Ender1221]

koucha wrote...

Ender1221 wrote...

Also, is it just me, or do Tech Bursts shake everybody's screen?  It feels like anytime I'm sniping a Prime, my screen is going crazy with all the Tech Bursts.  If they would just stop, I could take this guy out in 3 shots!

I think that's actually the prime's attack impacting that makes the screen shake. I never noticed any shaking if there's no prime.

That makes more sense. NM. 

[humes spork]

koucha wrote...

Ender1221 wrote...

Also, is it just me, or do Tech Bursts shake everybody's screen?  It feels like anytime I'm sniping a Prime, my screen is going crazy with all the Tech Bursts.  If they would just stop, I could take this guy out in 3 shots!

I think that's actually the prime's attack impacting that makes the screen shake. I never noticed any shaking if there's no prime.

Yup, tech bursts don't do screen shaking or visual distortions like biotic combos do if you're close by.

[Jayhau]

The OP should stick to being carried on FBW lol, he really has no clue what he is talking about

Not to be mean, but seriously... I can't defend this guy

[Ender1221]

Jayhau wrote...

The OP should stick to being carried on FBW lol, he really has no clue what he is talking about

Not to be mean, but seriously... I can't defend this guy

I disagree.  I don't think he is being carried on FBW.  I actually think he's probably pretty effective on it.  His problem is that he refuses to acknowledge that the build he posted, which he obviously wanted people to critique, may not be as optimized as he initially thought.  It's one thing to defend your choices, it's another to ignore constructive criticism of something submitted to be criticized.  He's had quite a few posters in here provide elaborate and eloquent feedback on this build's shortcomings.  Some of them have come from well known, and well respected, forumites.  Just listen to the feedback and either take the advice or leave it.

Modifié par Ender1221, 16 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[Jayhau]

Ender1221 wrote...

Jayhau wrote...

The OP should stick to being carried on FBW lol, he really has no clue what he is talking about

Not to be mean, but seriously... I can't defend this guy

I disagree.  I don't think he is being carried on FBW.  I actually think he's probably pretty effective on it.  His problem is that he refuses to acknowledge that the build he posted, which he obviously wanted people to critique, may not be as optimized as he initially thought.  It's one thing to defend your choices, it's another to ignore constructive criticism of something submitted to be criticized.  He's had quite a few posters in here provided elaborate and eloquent feedback on this build's shortcomings.  Some of them have come from well known, and well respected, forumites.  Just listen to the feedback and either take the advice or leave it.

I like you

[Ender1221]

Jayhau wrote...

I like you

I like you, too. 

[humes spork]

Ender1221 wrote...

Jayhau wrote...

I like you

I like you, too. 

Group hug!

No Kaiden stuff this time, I promise.

[Spham23]

Mine is the same except my Decoy was upgraded the other way. I don't know if Duration actually helps the Decoy at all. With full Duration you get 35 seconds, but it won't even come close to being up for 35 seconds when it's getting pounded by rocket troopers and you'll also be re-casting a lot. Shields will keep it up much longer from my experience. The explosion is kind of pointless as well since you'll be re-casting a lot and the damage is not even that great. I picked recharge speed just in case I screw up placement or it glitches and the decoy doesn't show up.

Modifié par Spham23, 16 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[Lolb4udiez]

Well, I play different than you all, and the tactics I use are different than you all. I have been playing since the demo came out and believe me, I did try most of the builds people use, exept meelee engineer. I don't need incinerate, since I will be shooting the whole time while bursting. I have a reason to max out the decoy, which allowed me to solo Geth in Firebase Glacier on Gold. But it took me 75 minutes. I am not saying incinerate is bad, I simply don't need it! And for the last time, this build is not for firebase white decoy credit farming, although it.works really well. This build is for all maps and for all enemies. It is for tactical use.

[distanK]

Bad built..
66653 is true
Decoy with shields/shock/shields
ED with radius/drain/dmg
Inc with damage only
Power damage only
fitness 3 points..

[distanK]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Am I the only one who ignores Decoy?

I've never gotten to grips with it, and frankly don't feel much need to. Incinerate and Energy Drain work well enough depending on who I'm fighting...

lol, decoy is great!
 play human engineer 06666 if you want - dont ruin the salarian..

[QCteamkill]

I don't see why I'd build my SE (or any engineer) to work against the Reapers.

What are you playing, public game with enemy unknown on gold challenge? If that's the case don't change your class change your lobby.

Oh and just stop with the FW trash, every map has chokepoints anyway.

[Lolb4udiez]

SE are extremely usefull against reapers if you know how to play well. Whenever playing against Reapers, you need tactics amd specific ways of placing decoy. It is different that just doing pure damage. You also support your team.

[amd098]

distanK wrote...

Bad built..
66653 is true
Decoy with shields/shock/shields
ED with radius/drain/dmg
Inc with damage only
Power damage only
fitness 3 points..

QFT

this works great vs cerberus as well, i use carnifax x with ap mod and barrel
you might not even need fitness to be honest, if you keep spamming drain every 1.5 sec you are never out of shields

and fire explosions are amazing, they do tons of dmg, you incinerate then ed and watch clumps die
by skipping it, you lose the armor debuff and the higher dmg to armor it does
you're an engineer, so use your damn powers!

[REVIVE ME]

QCteamkill wrote...

I don't see why I'd build my SE (or any engineer) to work against the Reapers.

What are you playing, public game with enemy unknown on gold challenge? If that's the case don't change your class change your lobby.

Oh and just stop with the FW trash, every map has chokepoints anyway.

Agree with this, specialty characters for different enemies.   Random is for people who arn't level 20 (and I like being the best player I can be, not gimping myself having incomplete power trees)

[Hyperglide]

I stopped reading after I read this "Incinerate: No need, I am not saying it's useless, but you simply don't need it for this loadout! "

SMH.